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August 28, 2005

Norm Minetta Proposes Higher Fuel Efficiency Standards For Light Trucks and SUV's

Anathema to many, and I'm sure not a fan of Minetta. But...

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta proposed imaginative fuel efficiency standards for new SUVs, vans and pickups. This scheme would divide light trucks into a half-dozen categories based on size, not weight.

By 2011, the smallest so-called "truck" (a PT Cruiser) would have to attain 28.4 mpg, while the largest could get by with 21.3. Add a few inches, and the standards drop. Fatten up to 8,500 pounds, and there are no rules.

I don't know... given the situation we're in, is it horrible for the government to coerce auto manufacturers into engineering these large vehicles to get slightly better mileage?

It's not impossible, and it's not always necessary to simply lighten the vehicle up and replace life-saving steel with weaker aluminum alloys:

The editorial cites a report "from President Bush's own Environmental Protection Agency" supposedly proving "America's cars and trucks are significantly less efficient, on average, than they were in the late 1980s, and that leaps in technology have been used to make vehicles more powerful but not more fuel efficient."

What did that EPA report show about those demonized SUVs? In 1978, SUVs weighed 4,202 pounds, produced 146 horsepower and got only 12.3 miles per gallon (mpg) in combined city-highway driving. By 1988, they were down to 3,859 pounds, had only 144 horsepower but got 17.4 mpg.

By 2005, by contrast, SUVs were up to 4,649 pounds and had 236 horsepower yet achieved a record 18.1 mpg. That demonstrates a huge fuel efficiency increase -- much more space, safety, comfort and performance with less fuel. Efficiency means getting more for less, not getting less for more. The United States is impressively energy-efficient.

That can be interpreted two different ways. One, we don't need additional government coercion, because manufacturers already have an economic incentive to produce higher-efficiency vehicles.

Or, two, we can engineer cars to get slightly better mileage without reducing weight and safety, and if the government can act as a spur to give engineers additional motivation to do so, perhaps we should.

I don't know. As I've said before, yes, I'm generally against government regulation, but there's a tragedy-of-the-commons sort of effect here that keeps increasing our dependency on oil controlled by terrorist-friendly or terrorist-sponsoring nations.

What if SUV's shed about 400 pounds, bringing them closer to the 1998 average, but kept the 2005 engineering making them more fuel efficient? A two-ton road yacht is still nothing to sneeze at. And perhaps they could get 20 or 21 mpg. Not a huge increase, but not a trivial one either.

Government coercion in technological matters has benefits. (I know it also has drawbacks.) But a forced emphasis on improving a technology will, almost invariably, make that technology more advanced and also cheaper, even if it is simply due to wider utilization (the more people who have it, the cheaper per-unit cost of research and development and manufacturing costs).

Just sayin'.


posted by Ace at 11:54 AM
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Here's an idea: Let all the Hollywood big mouths and other leftys set an example by getting rid of the limos, towncars, their suvs, their private jets, and actually drive the prius they have stored in the garage? Oh, and this includes Kerry who has how many suvs? Seven? Nine? I forgot. Or is it nine houses? How about getting rid of these extra houses? And why have them so large. Kerry and his wife are only two people but they have how many mansions? What a fucking waste of energy.

Posted by: on August 28, 2005 11:59 AM

All that's true, but let's face it, if only the super-rich could afford these road yachts, it wouldn't have much of an impact on fuel use.

The fact is that more efficient manufacturing and increased prosperity has made them available to the middle class, and even the lower middle class.

Which is, in itself, a good thing. (Something the ultrarich resent, because it's increasingly difficult for them to demonstrate their superior status with vehicle purchases.)

But all those gas-guzzling highway behemoths have a nontrivial effect on fuel consumption.

Posted by: ace on August 28, 2005 12:03 PM

Tell me about it. Almost everyone on my street has an suv. In fact, families have two suvs -- mom's and dad's.

I still what to see the Hollywood crowd/Leftist politicians put their money where their mouth is. I want an active campaign to shame them. Confront them and catch them in lies. I do get a kick out of Streisand driving a little eco-car to her private hanger to fly off in her private jet.

Arianna is another one. Lecturing us about tax cuts when she pays no taxes and fuel consumption when there are rolling blackouts and she has a $7 million dollar mansion with central air.

Babs, the environmentalist, couldn't unload her old mansion because it was priced too high and took too much money to keep up ($30k amonth for water). She gives it to a state environmental agency (another bunch of crooks) and writes off the inflated price as a charitable donation.

Anyway, a bit tangential to your point, so I'll stop now.

Posted by: on August 28, 2005 12:33 PM

Congress has already done something about those behemoth SUVs. Congress closed the small truck loophole in the tax code that allowed people to deduct the tax on certain sized trucks (the really big ones). I think you will see that the sales of Hummers, Escalades, and Porche Cayennes will plummet as the public goes back to the good ole' family sedan.

Posted by: Brass on August 28, 2005 12:53 PM

If I have to buy an 8500 lb. SUV, then that's what I'll do.

Sod off, swampy.

Posted by: right on August 28, 2005 03:50 PM

Yo Phinn -- you're needed over here to straighten Ace out again.

Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 04:34 PM

Ace, you have a point. Perhaps government intervention into blogs would be good too. Get rid of all the loose shit that goes on around here. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Kingslasher on August 29, 2005 08:01 AM

Ace;

I'm currently driving a GMC safari conversion. (You may know it in it's Chvy Astro form). This was and remains, to my mind, the king of the Mini-vans... not really a mini. Has 5000lb towcap.

A full description and pics can be found at http://www.cardomain.com/ride/713892

I'm getting the 21 you spec. But the problem here for MPG is one of weight, and available power to do the job it's designed to do.

Look, the very reason Americans are buying trucks instead of cars is because of the milage restrictions placed on cars. They've gotten to the point where you need a shoehorn to get in the stupid things, and when you do, you stand no chance whatever in any kind of accident.

Government regulation caused this problem... it's not a solution. You can't use the power of government to change the laws of physics. CAFE is a bad idea.

Posted by: Bithead on August 29, 2005 08:42 AM

Just as I flush my 1.6 gallon toilet two or three times to rid my bathroom of loose sh*t, so shall I drive my Prius to the ends of the earth 'cause it gets such great gas mileage. As marginal costs fall, so shall the demand for that product rise, thus saith the Lord Adam Smith.

Posted by: Tongueboy on August 29, 2005 09:37 AM

Ace,

Single Malt Pundit does a good job explaining today why this isn't a very good idea.

Posted by: Tony B on August 30, 2005 11:50 AM

Sorry forgot the address.
http://www.singlemaltpundit.com/archives/2005/08/30/why-that-lincoln-navigator-is-saving-the-planet/

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