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Charles Murray On Differences In Male and Female (Group) IQAlways a touchy subject. But obviously there are differences between men and women, including in how our brains work; men and women are essentially alien species to one another, linked only by the fact that our genitals seem to to fit together. If it weren't for genitals and pheremones, we'd be like the white-black and black-white aliens on Star Trek. Evolutionary biologists have some theories that feed into an explanation for the disparity. In primitive societies, men did the hunting, which often took them far from home. Males with the ability to recognize landscapes from different orientations and thereby find their way back had a survival advantage. Men who could process trajectories in three dimensions—the trajectory, say, of a spear thrown at an edible mammal—also had a survival advantage.8 Women did the gathering. Those who could distinguish among complex arrays of vegetation, remembering which were the poisonous plants and which the nourishing ones, also had a survival advantage. Thus the logic for explaining why men should have developed elevated three-dimensional visuospatial skills and women an elevated ability to remember objects and their relative locations—differences that show up in specialized tests today. But this doesn't explain why a woman, flicking through channels on TV, always seems to find two women talking in a kitchen -- a repeated scenario constituting 90% of all female-friendly Movies of the Week -- endlessly fascinating and the subject for further investigation. You can try blocking out the We and Oxygen and Lifetime channels, but they have evolved the ability and drive to unblock these channels. I guess I know the answer-- women are more interested in and adept at detecting social clues about relationships and power-positions between women, and find two women talking in a kitchen an interesting little puzzle for exploration into alpha and beta, dominant and submissive behaviors. Men, meanwhile, just see two women talking in a kitchen and comprehend that, whatever fascinating dominance-displays are behing exhibited, neither sandwiches nor brownies are being made. It's all, therefore, a horrible waste of time and resources. Men, meantime, have evolved the drive to watch documentaries about the history of airplanes, because we have some deep-seeded biological imperative to hear things about the Spruce Goose we've already heard six thousand times before. If Murray really wants to do the world a service, he can research the reasons women ask their favorite question -- "Are you mad at me?" -- even when you're plainly not mad, just admiring the planking on the Spruce Goose; and why women, even when plainly, demostratively angry (and making sure you know that) keep saying "No, nothing's wrong" when you ask them, but then get even angrier when you stop asking and go back to watching Shark Week on TBS. posted by Ace at 11:29 AM
CommentsKeep writing this type of stuff and you're going to find that the only thing your genitals are going to fit in is your hand. Posted by: on August 28, 2005 11:32 AM
The article is touchier even than the male-female differences subject, since the second half of the (very long) piece is about differences between racial populations, something many people who even acknowledge sex differences are loathe to touch. Posted by: Russell Wardlow on August 28, 2005 11:33 AM
Keep writing this type of stuff and you're going to find that the only thing your genitals are going to fit in is your hand It's too late to do anything about that. Posted by: ace on August 28, 2005 11:45 AM
Oohhh, it's 'Shark Week' on TBS?! Posted by: bitterman on August 28, 2005 12:09 PM
Deep- seated Posted by: lauraw on August 28, 2005 01:28 PM
Testing to find out what the heck a cartman is. Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 04:39 PM
Still don't know. By the way, bitterman, HTML tags use , not brackets. Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 04:42 PM
South Park joke? Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 04:44 PM
Cartman is the fat nazi kid on South Park. Posted by: digitalbrownshirt on August 28, 2005 04:49 PM
I feel so left out. Can you be a South Park Republican if you've never seen the show? Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 04:55 PM
I'm still not sure what defines a SPR. I watch it once in awhile, but I've been a Republican for 20 years. Much longer than the show's been on. Posted by: digitalbrownshirt on August 28, 2005 04:56 PM
A South Park Republican says "fuck" and thinks fart jokes are funny. I don't know if it runs too awfully much deeper than that. Posted by: S. Weasel on August 28, 2005 05:03 PM
South Park Republicans seem very similar to P.J. O'Rourke's Republican Party Reptiles. Posted by: on August 28, 2005 05:31 PM
I certainly can't get into Discovery Wings Channel (if it still exists). But I also loathe Lifetime, We, and Oxygen. And Oprah. I guess the difference between my husband and me in terms of TV-watching is that I have no problem watching cartoons (Futurama, The Simpsons) & MST3K over and over, while his repeated viewings are strictly serious sci-fi (Firefly, Stargate, Battlestar Gallactica). And I'm not particularly interested in watching movies where things blow up, and I don't want to waste my time with "plot" in kung-fu movies... just fast forward to the fights. I'm not quite sure what's this supposed to mean. I do assure you that brownies aren't being made. But the beer supply is ample. Posted by: meep on August 28, 2005 05:37 PM
meep: Dicovery Wings is now called Discovery Military Channel. It's not just planes now. Posted by: digitalbrownshirt on August 28, 2005 05:46 PM
Laura: It is demostratively obvious that Ace has not read your comment yet. Ace: Once more with gusto: deep-seated. Demostratively is not a word in the English language, demonstrably is. Have you been drinking before noon again? Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 06:06 PM
I like deep-seeded better. It makes more sense than deep-seated. Don't blame ace for being ahead of his time linguistically. Posted by: on August 28, 2005 06:15 PM
Demostratively may not be a word, but demonstratively is. Are you going to rag on poor ace for a typo? Kick his ass, ace! Posted by: on August 28, 2005 06:19 PM
Main Entry: 1de·mon·stra·tive Demonstrably means provably. Demonstratively means openly, floridly, obviously. Posted by: ace on August 28, 2005 06:45 PM
dirty fuckers. Posted by: ace on August 28, 2005 06:46 PM
so I dropped an "n." Bastards. Posted by: ace on August 28, 2005 06:47 PM
Demonstrably means provably Provably? Ace, you slay me. Posted by: digitalbrownshirt on August 28, 2005 06:48 PM
Now look who needs a little ass kicking! Provably is a word! All of you. Just line up. Posted by: on August 28, 2005 07:10 PM
I don't mind the actual corrections ("deep-seated"), but I don't get the erroneous corrections. Posted by: ace on August 28, 2005 07:13 PM
Don't worry Ace, I'm sure yor good at recognizing landscapes or processing trajectories. Or something. Everyone is special in their own way. Posted by: Ray Midge on August 28, 2005 07:14 PM
I don't mind the actual corrections ("deep-seated"), but I don't get the erroneous corrections. So, go fix the Federal Corrupt Business Practices Act. I sent you an email. Sheesh. Just trying to help. Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 07:18 PM
Everyone is special in their own way. Aww, Ray, you've been watching your DVD of Riding The Bus With My Sister again, haven't you? Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 07:25 PM
...not to be the "accuracy nazi" here, but "Shark Week" is on the Discovery Channel, not TBS. Posted by: Russ from Winterset on August 28, 2005 07:37 PM
I like deep-seeded better. It makes more sense than deep-seated. That's because you're HIGH. On CRACK. Deep-seated means it is difficult to remove, it's installed, part of the basic structure of something. Deep-seeded is the reason your crops never came up; they were buried too deeply. Dammit. I'm not a grammar beast. Don't know why I even said anything. Posted by: lauraw on August 28, 2005 07:46 PM
Now look who needs a little ass kicking! Provably is a word! All of you. Just line up. Posted by: digitalbrownshirt on August 28, 2005 07:53 PM
I don't do this for a living. You don't do this for a living because people won't pay you to do it. And the reason they don't pay you to do it, is because YOU'RE A BITCH! Posted by: on August 28, 2005 07:59 PM
And the reason they don't pay you to do it, is because YOU'RE A BITCH! I must demur to your harsh assessment of Laura. Who, by the way, is revered on this site, and you would be well advised to moderate your language. Let me quote the words of one far wiser than I: Robin, about Batgirl: "Do you think she's trying to double-cross us?" Batman: "No, but she's a woman, Robin, with a woman's inborn desire to outsmart men." Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 08:18 PM
And, BTW, if you have not yet arrived at the point in your life when you realize that women always outsmart men, God help you. Posted by: Michael on August 28, 2005 09:05 PM
Traditionally - going back to the origins of the internet - the first one to complain about grammar, spelling, etc is PRESUMED to have run out of ammunition and has lost the argument. Posted by: Tony on August 28, 2005 09:17 PM
That guy needs to lighten up, get a sense of humor or something. Posted by: lauraw on August 28, 2005 11:40 PM
How come the girl gets to watch reruns of How Not To Dress three or four times but the guy gets flack for wanting to watch baseball three nights in a row, games which are not reruns? Posted by: Tongueboy on August 29, 2005 09:41 AM
It's interesting to note that the commenters aren't actually commenting on the TOPIC. With that being said, this article doesn't really call into question a disparity between IQs, but rather the difference in the areas in which men are more likely to dominate intellectually. Men have a more natural aptitude for math and science? Shut up, really? Gee, it wouldn't have been HALF as fun getting the highest grade in all those tech classes if the boys DIDN'T have an automatic advantage over little ol' vagina'ed me. Later, Posted by: bbeck on August 29, 2005 09:58 AM
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