What are the Euroweenies gonna do now? Use harsh language?

There needs to be a dialogue about the failed dialgogue.

I thought Euros were gonna take care of this.
Oh, they did

I just finished reading it again. I ...I just don't understand.

Are there no fiercely arched eyebrows in all of Europe that are equal to this task?
Is there no sneering lip that can make Iran change course?

Is there no waiter in all of France rude enough to cow this rogue regime??

Um, I don't think promises made to infidels are considered valid by either Allah or his hordes of virgins. Not when you're dealing with idiots, anyway.

Run away with me, you witty little minx. I care not if you are 300 lbs and syphlitic. Just make me laugh, every day, won't you?

Use harsh language?

They shall cast a jandiced eye in Iran's direction, heap disdain upon them, and dismiss them in a very derogatory and demeaning way. Then blame Bush.

'Cause they're so superior and all.

Centrifuges. Bah! They are insignificant. The one buried in the backyard of a Iraqi Scientist meant nothing just as the centrifuges in Iran should mean nothing.

They do make nice planters.

LauraW, once again, though the subject is dead serious, you really really bring the funny.

Oh no! Don't bring out a point-ed stick!

This stuff always reminds me of an old Robin Williams routine, from the days when the bobbies didn't carry guns:

"What do they do when they're in hot pursuit? I guess they yell, 'Stop, thief! Or else I shall have no choice but to yell Stop! again.'"

From the article:
Adam Ereli, deputy State Department spokesman, said last week in Washington that a referral of Iran to the UN Security Council for sanctions is the ``next step.'' Iran has repeatedly said its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. Nobody answered calls made to Iran's Foreign Ministry today.

Holy shit, look out or we're going to do some referral which might possibly lead sometime in the not-so-near future sanctions!

Quake in your turbans, ayatollahs and mullahs! Feel the WRATH OF OUR REFERRALS!

That last anonymous post was me.

Yikes. D’you suppose the UN could step in as an “Enforcer” to help facilitate Iran’s agreement? Like with (I hesitate to even suggest something like this, but ...) a toughly WORDED resolution?

If you don't knock it off, we may be forced to... suggest that you're not very nice people! Not very nice at all!

So, uh, fool me 23 times, shame on you, fool me 24 times...?

The referals may lead to sanctions in a few years, coincidentally at the same time Kofi Annan's legal bills start piling up, and that in turn will lead to Oil for Food 2. At the UN that's called Win-Win.

This article makes a pretty good case that the U.S. will do more harm cracking the whip and I think I agree.

Don't forget France's secret weapon - the secrets of Machiavelli.

Look, you just haven't given the diplomatic process enough time. You never give the process enough time. In fact, there's no such thing as giving the process enough time. That's the thing with diplomatic processes: you can't say they've failed until somebody nukes Strasbourg or Boise.

Killer Bunnies. Ones wif long, sharp teef. That's Europe's "Plan B".

Spongeworthy, the author of that article makes several assumptions in order to push his idea of letting Iran crumble under its own weight:

Assumption #1: The timetable for Iran's production of nuclear weapons is significantly longer than the timetable of its collapse.

Assumption #2: Sanctions would hurt Iran enough to significantly slow its progress towards nuclear capability and speed its collapse via Marxist-style proletarian revolution.

Assumption #3: The populace of Iran would be powerful enough and motivated enough to carry out a revolution once their suffering increases past a tipping point.

I don't agree that any of these assumptions are true. It's my opinion that popular uprisings in the style of Marx are the exception rather than the rule, especially in the Middle East. We simply can't risk the possibility of the mullahs getting their hands on nuclear weapons. The author of that article you linked has no understanding of fanaticism whatsoever.

Spongeworthy,

The author teaches philosophy at the University of Arizona.

He thinks simply ignoring Iran will inevitably lead the masses there to revolution. Based on the wisdom of Karl Marx.

And no need to worry about the development of nukes, it'll take them a decade to get there.

So we just sit around and hope the revolution develops faster than the nukes do?

Sponge, you are killing me with words, tender lies.

She canna' tek no moorrrgh Cap'n.

Sue beat me.
She rites beter to

I'm with Sue.

I also am pretty sure for similar reasons that there is no deep popular support amongst Iranians for overt American military action against Iran to stop the regimes nuclear ambitions and/or get rid of the regime.

We have no good options here; any solution predicated on the strength of popular sentiment against the Iranian regime is a non-starter.

Personally, I am curious to see how many times the Euroweenies will try the same talking tactic. You must admit, it is kind of darkly amusing.

I may need someone with den Bestean perspicacity to 'splain this to me - but I'm less concerned with Iran making a bomb that can turn a large part of a city into a parking lot than I am with Iran's ability to produce enough radioactive 'dirt' to include with a bomb which would make a large part of a city uninhabitable.

So, running their running centrifuges at all is of concern, I think.

Wow, sanctions are up next. They just skipped right over "sharp tongue lashing"!

I doubt if any of us here have a perfect handle on the level of dissatisfaction with the mullahs. And I am pretty sure the guy is right about how those who might otherwise be friendly to the U.S. would get their back up if we start rattling sabres.

I didn't realize, though, that the guy was a hippie of some kind and should have been dismissed out of hand. Now that I know this, bombing the living piss out of the place is sounding much better.

lauraw wrote:
Sue beat me.
She rites beter to

Thanks Laura, but more isn't always better.

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Or at least that's what I tell Mr. Dohnim.

Sponge,

The writer is far to optimistic regarding the masses rising up. North Korea is a hell hole. The masses are starving and wretched. There is no indication that revolution is at the doorstep.

Simply hoping against hope that the students and intellectuals rise up against the mullahs is a nice fantasy. But, there are very real consequences of letting Iran get stronger.

btw, the author asserts that we can just bomb the nuke facilities. That may not be possible. They are buried far, far underground. None of our conventional bombs will touch them. Bush knows this. He wanted to develop a "mini" nuke. Precisely for the purpose of destroying hardened, buried WMD facilities. The Libs got wind of this and caused an uproar. "How dare he ever consider using a nuke, for any purpose". So, it was scuttled. Now, we have no way to definitely destroy these facilities.

Come on Spongeworthy. You can tell just absolutely everything about somebody from their occupation.

Really, now, who teaches Philosophy?
I bet he's never packed and shipped a thing in his life.
Guy probably wouldn't know which end of a tape gun to hold.

We can't let people like that discuss foreign policy.

I had a long response but the site ate it. NK's a poor comparison. Otherwise I agree, TS.

He's probably never traded a bond either, lauraw. Or been interrupted 12 times while writing a 3-sentence post, the hippie douche. Not only will I disregard him, I'll kick the ass of anybody who looks like him, which is no doubt long hair and flabby.

Beware, flabby NY area hippies.

Only four calls during this post. Slow Friday.

Shadow - I read a book about revolution as a concept a while ago.

One fundamental take out of it was that (successful) revolutions never occur in ultra repressed countries (i.e. DPRK). A revolutionary movement requires a level of freedom of action that isn't possible in the worst of the repressive regimes.

The other relevent, was that most successful revolutions do NOT leave the "outgoing" leadership alive to stage a comback.

The choice we are faced with is: either we stop this nuclear program of we learn to live with the Islamic Bomb. And it really is neauseating that Europe finds nothing but excuses for their inaction and kicks us every chance they get so they can toady up to Islam's oil, while at the same time sceretly hoping we'll pull the fat out of the fire for them before its too late.

Oh well, Gabriel Byrne awaits those of us who have crossed the line too many times, and I'm sure that many of these people will be visiting him someday.

Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. I don't have any weapons of mass destwuction, OK Hans?

Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.

Or else what?

Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

The Euroweenies will not propose any sanction resolutions to the Security Council unless and until they receive secret assurance from China that it will use its Council seat to veto said resolutions (otherwise, the Euroweenies risk further emaculation when they inevitably refuse to enforce them). However, this time they can't count on China because -- due to its own security situation -- China takes a very dim view of Islamo-nukes. So the only thing the Euroweenies can and will do about Iran is nothing, while secretly praying that someone else (US, Israel) does.

One ought to reduce the mullahs to that condition in which they cannot even think of breaking agreements.

Arafel

We will send them a strongly worded letter, explaining how unhappy we are with them.

"One ought to reduce the mullahs to that condition in which they cannot even think of breaking agreements."

Its coming - I promise you. We've just been instructed to deploy the dreaded COMFY CHAIR.

Not to worry. We didn't sell those bunker buster bombs to Israel just so they could look at them. Israel will never allow the Mullasses to have a nuclear weapon. The Joooos will take care of the Iran Nuclear Problem, IF the euro pussies fail.