"...should we also listen to those who lost husbands and wives in the 9/11 attack and whose emotion-driven response was to wish for nuclear strikes on major Muslim cities and holy sites?"

Oh Ace, you give me all the easy ones. Of course!

What's odd is that Casey was, by all accounts, a highly religious, practicing Catholic, former Eagle Scout who was saving himself for marriage.

Which is not a lifestyle those around Cindy Sheehan would likely condone.

So, there are some questions you'd think those on the hardcore Left would ask of Mother Sheehan.

Mrs. Sheehan, other twenty year olds were able to see through Bush's Lies and not volunter for military duty. Bush's War Machine feeds on the blood of our young, with no volunteers Bush and his Neocon cabal would not be able to do these horrible horrible things.

Yet your son did volunteer, twice - did his religious upbringing in the Catholic faith and long term participation in the Scouts make him too gullible to think for himself?

Do you now question the way you raised your son?

No Volunteers, No Profiteers!

But - I guess they'd rather just support Cindy - so long as she's parroting their line.

It seems obvious to me now that Cindy sheehan is parroting far left wackos who are catering to her,

What is sadder than that is the MSM taking advantage of her as well.

What a bunch of vultures.

I seem to vaguely recall some people, not too long ago, being highly critical of Bush for using the deaths of 9/11 and the War on Terror to advance his political agenda.

For some reason I just can't remember who that was.

As I said at my own place;

Of COURSE it matters if she’s changed her tune.
You know full wel;l that were a Democrat in the WH, the press would be all over her wanting to know about her connections with various political groups, with particular scrutiny of her financial transactions.

IE; They’d be looking at... did she get paid to change her tune.

Her son apparently thought what he was doing was the correct thing to be doing. I’m not prepared to debate his wisdom here.

Put another way; I’m not prepared to call her son a dummy. She, apparently, is. And my sympathy for her loss disappears when she crosses that line.

I should also say it disappears further when she is so obviously taking cues from animals who were loudly calling her son a murderer just for being in Iraq in uniform.

They're called 'Useful idiots', folks.

Dammit Ace, there you go, making sense again.

Stop that. It's unseemly.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

So does any anti-war moonbat that wants airtime get it? Or are there other qualifications?

I have sympathy for any family that lost someone in the War. I can't even honestly say that if I were in the same position, I wouldn't be attacking the easiest target to help myself cope. But the bottom line is that the leftist "war for oil", "bush is a facist", anti-Israel stuff that she's spewing just isn't something that shouldn't be taken seriously. Especially when she already met with Bush. And said he comforted her.

Her son's sacrifice was one that I think we all respect immensely. But he was an adult who made his own choices. He chose to join the army and he chose to re-enlist. Bush didn't come to his door and kidnap him. He made an adult decision to assume the risk and unfortunately he didn't come back alive.

This whole thing just shows how the shameful left will do anything it needs to advance its own talking points no matter if they're based on any objective reality. Shame on them.

Ace:

Slicin' bro. Absolutely slicing like a f*ckin' hammer.

With my disgusting generations self-indulgence only equalled by it's useful idiotness, it's no surprise that a good man , who died for freedom, would be rendered a very dead soap box for a crackpot.
That the crackpot is his mother is sad but not terribly shocking.

Cedarford will like this one.
David Duke Endorsement

I'd like to see how the left plays this one off.

People have been using the "victim entitlement" for decades. It gives digitalbrownasshole's people their claim of moral superiority and their claim they are owed deference.

Lately it has gotten out of hand with the four 9/11 Jersey bitches led by lawyer Kristen Breitweiser claiming that she and the other 3 are entitled to - final approval of the WTC memorial design, wording in the Patriot Act, Bush's having to resign or not, the 9/11 Commission, and all intelligence reorganization.

Hey, Breitweiser! The only reason you are in that position was that you married a guy who liked the fact that you pulled in good shyster bucks AND because you gave great BJs, then he died...but unlike the other 2 million Americans who died in 2001, he died in a way that made him Special, and thus made you Rich and somehow gave you title as a nagging media whore.

Cindy Sheehan is another Kristen Breitweiser, just as full of herself, only older and uglier.

Of course it works both ways. The Right has their Cult of the POW/MIA and have succeeded in getting their stupid 1971 Black Flag flying almost everywhere as the premiere Special Interest Group's token of recognition. Despite POW/MIA being a miniscule fraction of soldiers who have suffered in wartime, and no POWs for decades except for about a dozen who had 10 day or less stays of captivity in two Iraq wars. And no MIAs for 35 years unless you buy the argument that dead soldiers from the French-Indian Wars onwards are MIA until their bones are found and Emotional Closure can finally happen!

Mr. Cedarord,
Has anyone told you that you're an idiot today?
Just in case, you're an idiot.

He's an idiot everyday, it's just worse than usual lately.

Hey Cedarford, just wondering, why'd you drop the Ran name?

I also noticed that the Sheehan family doesn't quite present a coherent picture in terms of religion. I've read the descriptions of Casey, both in news reports and in his mother's comments, and it's clear that he was a devout Catholic, and rather an old-fashioned one, at that. His sister said so too; they even thought he might be interested in becoming a priest. His mother taught Sunday School, I think, but I noticed the way she talked about Casey and religion seemed very detached; she says over and over that he was very committed to "his church" and "his religion". There are descriptions of this close family going everywhere together and doing lots of stuff, but no talk of the whole family sharing in church activities. Doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, but it just seems oddly absent from the picture. Another thing - most times, when a crisis hits a family like this, and it's very public, a family minister or priest is present or at least is frequently interviewed. I haven't seen anything like that as far as Cindy Sheehan is concerned. I know there was a Catholic funeral at their church last year for Casey, but I haven't seen any hint that there is any family connection with a church. She does have a tendency to break off with people who disagree with her; I wonder if her church didn't support her the way she thought they ought to, and they met the same fate as her family and neighbours? Just one of those little missing puzzle pieces that I keep noticing and wondering about...

What if, God forbid, a woman were to step forward who had lost two children in Iraq? Would her opinion supercede Cindy Sheehans?
Since many Iraqi women watched helplessly as Saddam and company killed off many of their children, I assume that the Grieving mother gambit only works for Americans.
People will tire of her, just like they had their fill of the woman who moved into a tree to keep it from being cut down. For all I know, she's still up there.

I want this woman to explain why she is supporting our enemies!!!!!!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17915

And digitalbrownasshole, you'll still be gnashing your semen-spattered little punk teeth over Gaza.

Wish you could see the big smile on my face.

Keep up the effort to appear manly hiding behind your keyboard, you skulking neocon wannabee. (PS - being a real neo takes wealth, brains, and connections - 3 qualities you lack).

Oh, and Rick, fuck you too if you don't like me dissing your hero Jersey Girls, if you're a Sheehan Fan, or you are part of the POW/MIA Cult.!

There's lots of folks who have lost children to the war and are still adamant supporters of it; why aren't their faces gracing my tee vee? They haven't gone for a pr move like this, of course, but somehow I still doubt the reaction from the MSM would be somewhat less..enthusiastic.

If there were a way to actually communicate with the dead I can only imagine Casey Sheehan would have strong words for his mother. In her process of mourning she is reducing him to an infant incapable of making any decisions of his own. This is emphasized by her appearing on newscasts holding a portrait of her son as a toddler rather than as man he was when he died.

Most sons and daughters are past the point where being seen with their parents is supreme embarrassment but Cindy Sheehan is making this into a eternal condition for her son's memory. She can no longer embarrass the man so this will have to do.

Keep up the effort to appear manly hiding behind your keyboard, you skulking neocon wannabee. (PS - being a real neo takes wealth, brains, and connections - 3 qualities you lack).
Cedarford: Tell you what, just let me know where you're at and maybe can get together sometime to discuss it.

Bring your boyfriend, you'll need some help.

Last post was mine.

Cedarford: I forgot to ask you when you're going to address the lies I caught you in during the other thread. I'd really like to know. Is it dishonesty, or just plain stupidity?

Would it be impolite of me to point out that, if the foreign policy views of Cindy Sheehan and her "supporters" had been abandoned 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or more years ago, Casey Sheehan might not have had to go to Iraq in the first place?

Cedarford: I forgot to ask you when you're going to address the lies I caught you in during the other thread. I'd really like to know. Is it dishonesty, or just plain stupidity?

Posted by digitalbrownshirt at August 15, 2005 06

It is a wonderful old tactic your ilk invented when they were running the Soviet Communist Party and the CPUSA, digitalbrownasshole...Accuse people of lies, lies, lies!! And, if they play your Hebe game, you have them on the defensive - with the power to judge - then you can punish if the defense of their "lies" or "thought crimes" isn't adequate (not that the defense matters when the Bolshies already determined sentence) or even forgive their transgressions. But the Bolshies who were your direct ancestors usually went with punishment - killing some 12 million Russian Christians for their "lies", imprisoning another 20 million.

As for my address because our little punkboy wants to "kick my ass" why don't you just head to Israel and confront REAL ENEMIES?

Probably because you lack REAL GUTS and prefer skulking about in the safety of a nation you can temporarily call a good place to make money and be comfortable in..

Kick your ass? Who said anything about kicking your ass? I just want to have a nice, face to face conversation with you. So why don't you just go ahead and tell me where you live and I'll see if we can hook up?

And I'm not accusing of you of lying. There has to be actual doubt for it to be just an accusation. I actually caught you in three different lies and provided links proving you were lying, but you don't have the balls (besides the ones bouncing off your ass cheeks) to face facts.

Just admit you're stupid and dishonest, you'll feel better.

Well, digitalbrownasshole, talking would be wonderful.

Why don't you post your name and phone number and I'll call you and set up a face to face.

Touche CF.

However, I notice you still aren't addressing the lies you got caught in. What's the point of posting if nobody has confidence in your integrity?

You should check out that Storm Watch forum, they love "guys" like you. There's a link to it on your blog.
Cedarford Sucks

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
   -Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

  
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)