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July 16, 2005

NYT: Female US Interrogators Are Dirty Smelly Pirate Whores

Further evidence of unseriousness: the New York Times increasingly-loopy editorial page makes the case that female interrogators seductively touching Muslim terrorists (in an effort to break them down) are essentially prostitutes. And of course it degrades them to be forced, or whatever, to act in such a way.

This is just further evidence that when liberals whine that our boys are dying they really don't care about our boys dying. They care about our enemies dying, about us inflicting our military might upon another country, but they know that's a political loser so they cast everything in terms of "our boys."

I don't think the New York Times is really all that bothered by paid, trained, voluntarily-enlisted female interrogators doing stuff in the service of our national security that Heather and Autumn down at Vixxxens do for $20 an hour plus tips. I think they're offended primarily that we're "humiliating" terrorists by these methods, but they know it's impolitic to admit their true concerns, so now they're shedding tears about "our girls."

In case the New York Times wasn't aware of it -- female spies have had to do a lot of things in the interests of collecting intelligence and making our country safer, some of it sexual and abhorrent to them on a personal level. Yes, honey-traps are usually baited with paid hookers and call-girls, but actual intelligence officers have sometimes had to lower themselves to similar sorts of service.

It's a dirty part of the job but sometimes people are willing to do dirty deeds in the service of patriotism.

Liberals are simply not serious about intelligence, warfare, or national security. They can pretend all they like; they can bloviate about bioweapons detectors in subway tubes and more inspections of cargo containers 'till the cows come home in an effort to show they're "serious" about defending this country.

We don't believe them. And when I say "we," I don't mean just conservatives, I mean the majority of the American voting public. Too frequently they give themselves away, too often they accidentally let the pretense fall a little too far down and let us see their real beliefs.

They're not serious. They are against war even in the most dire of circumstances, and they're against any of the dirtier parts of intelligence-gathering. They cannot come right out and admit they oppose war and covert operations on principle, so they simply object to every conceivable part of warfare or covert ops or interrogation in their details.

Then they can claim they are not reflexively anti-this or anti-that, they're just very outraged by this particular practice.

Trouble is, they're outraged by every particular practice of war or intelligence-gathering.

It's like saying you have nothing against Western omlettes, except you despise eggs, loath ham, destest green peopers, and find onions gob-smackingly vile.

And also-- you're not too crazy about the toast and orange juice they give you on the side. And that you frankly find toast and orange juice "unAmerican" and "contrary to the spirit of our living Constitution."

Let's stop talking of eggs and ham and such and just admit you're anti-omlette.

And let's stop fucking about with these transparent pretenses and just have you admit, finally, you're against war or America doing anything meeeaaan to defend herself. You're not bothered by the particulars; you object to the very fundamentals. You are not outraged by specific practices; you're against all practices on principle.

But liberals know they can't admit their real beliefs. And hence this fifty-year-old Kabuki.


posted by Ace at 03:38 PM
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It's all about 'me'.
What makes 'me' feel good.
And by the way, whatever that is, is what's best for you.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe on July 16, 2005 03:51 PM

Yeah, as if sexually teasing terrorists is so much more emotionally scarring to our soldiers than actually taking human lives.

I'm just waiting for the NYT to report on the rash of cases of "Post-Traumatic Cockteasing Syndrome" emerging in our female interrogators.

Sigh. Just like everyone else in America: more worried over sex than violence (see "Clinton, Hillary!-- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.").

Of course, I have no problems with this, so I guess we're just gonna have to rename Gitmo "Whore Island" and be done with that.

Shit, no job, good food, beach weather, rock music, and suggestively touched by women? That's not torture-- that's my dream vacation.

Seven years of college down the drain. . . I shoulda joined fucking Al Qaeda.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on July 16, 2005 04:01 PM

I'm opening up a new club-
'The Interrogation Room'.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe on July 16, 2005 04:09 PM

"You are not outraged by specific practices; you're against all practices on principle."

Get real, Ace. They are against all PRINCIPLES. If they had any principles, they would either admit they were anti-American or shut up. They even lie to themselves, convincing themselves that their howls of protest are the sincerest form of patriotism. I've smelled better things in a barnyard than that statement!

If they were truly patriotic, if they truly loved (or even tolerated) this nation, they would buckle down, get the country behind its chosen leaders, and work toward a better world where people had freedom. All they can do is work against their political enemies, disparage anyone who disagrees with them, act like they are intellectually superior to everyone else, and pretend they are morally above any human law.

Basically, they are pukes.

Posted by: Carlos on July 16, 2005 04:30 PM

Female US Interrogators Are Dirty Smelly Pirate Whores

Okay. I'm ready to an Arab.

Is there a form I can fill out or something?

Posted by: rdbrewer on July 16, 2005 05:01 PM

Cuz, you know, I need to be interrogated. Repeatedly.

Posted by: rdbrewer on July 16, 2005 05:04 PM

I'm full of secret information.

Posted by: rdbrewer on July 16, 2005 05:05 PM

aah -- these filk© can't even bring themselves to clean their own toilets. pfaf.

Posted by: Claire on July 16, 2005 05:21 PM

Fifty-year-old Kabuki.

Nice. I wrote a deal once about Chinese opera, I think, as a metaphor for the ritual involved in leftist tribal behavior--or something like that. It's all about the display of proper forms.

Posted by: rdbrewer on July 16, 2005 05:41 PM

They can pump me all they want. I won't say a thing. Maybe.

Posted by: rdbrewer on July 16, 2005 05:43 PM

Dear CIA:

I hereby declare my allegiance to Osama bin Laden. Please send me an email to arrange for my humiation by sexual teasing. I warn you in advance, it will not be easy to break me. You may have to totally violate and degrade me by just plain f**cking my brains out. That might get me to spill my guts. O yeah, that just might do it.

Posted by: Michael on July 16, 2005 06:13 PM

Ace,

What is absent yet again, and again, and again, is any discussion in the affirmative as to what methods of coercion, if any, the editors of the NYTimes believe are permissable.

This latest editorial is worse than just being non-serious, it is further proof that our nation's so-called "Paper of Record" will write anything no matter how nonsensical just to oppose the current POTUS.

The editors of the NYTimes have lost their moral, ethical, and professional bearings.

Pathetic.

Posted by: MeTooThen on July 16, 2005 06:20 PM

rdbrewer,

Me too, then.

Secret information?

I got lots of it.

Secret information?

Lots and Lots.

It might take whole squadrons of women.

It could take years, actually.

Really.

Where do I sign?

Posted by: MeTooThen on July 16, 2005 06:29 PM

Dead on, Ace. Look at what security measures liberals DO approve of; sensors in train stations, more airport security, bomb-sniffing dogs at the Times building-all of these are defensive countermeasures. They are against any offensive operations, be they military or intelligence. Improved security only works until terrorists figure out how to beat it. That's like building a fence to keep an alligator from eating your cat instead of hunting the alligator down. We have to find and kill these fuckers; that's what works and that's all they understand. The Times and it's lib readers don't like all that icky violence-fine. But if they gave a damn about anything other than making President Bush look like a hump then they would shut the fuck up and support the real warriors who ARE willing to put boot to ass to defend us. A bunker mentality coupled with gooey "diplomatic solutions" approach is both fatuous and dangerous.

Posted by: UGAdawg on July 16, 2005 07:07 PM

On a serious note....concerning safety and security of ships and planes.

I read a book about turning old oil platforms into inspection stations. Every ship had to dock and be inspected before it could enter the US. Plus, every plane. private or commercial, had to enter the US by an approved air-corridor. Deviation from the corridor was considered a hostile act and the plane could be shot down.

Anyway, our seaports and airports could be more secure if we wished it. But the Demo's would rather tell us whats wrong with the way the POTUS is handling security instead of providing options or serious input. As MeTooThen mentioned in a previous comment how should the US get information from terrorists? Tea parties? Positive affirmations? They are terrorists, not soldiers of a nation that declared war on us. They are simply a group/religion that thinks they are the only option. Pretty much just like what the Christians did during the Crusades, but now the Muslims are doing the Crusading. And the Muslims still bitch about the Crusades. Yes the Crusades were wrong, but DAMN my family had nothing to do with it. Get over it and pull yourself out of the 18th century.

Posted by: cstmbuilder on July 16, 2005 07:12 PM

It's like saying you have nothing against Western omlettes, except you despise eggs, loath ham, destest green peopers, and find onions gob-smackingly vile.

How dare you question my omlette preferences?

And besides, ham? Are you f'n crazy? There might be muslims reading this, and they would definitely be offended by your mention of such an unclean crusader infidel meat. No wonder they hate us.

Posted by: Sean M. on July 16, 2005 07:44 PM

Brilliant commentary Sean M. ... Just f'n BRILLIANT!!!

I think you actually captured the essence, ney- the sine qua non, of the anti-war left. Not only would they rather we didn't defend ourselves, they would like to kneel down and surrender to the sensibilities of the islamo-nutjobs.

Posted by: on July 16, 2005 08:19 PM

Thank you, mysterious stranger.

Posted by: Sean M. on July 16, 2005 09:02 PM

Trouble is, they're outraged by every particular practice of war or intelligence-gathering.

Similar concern as wondering where the "mainstream Muslim community" is on terrorism.

We all know the answer to both questions.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on July 16, 2005 10:46 PM

GUYS!!! No need to go all manic muslim. $20 in any downtown area will get you more than enough humilation and degradation.

Silly boys.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on July 16, 2005 11:53 PM

I think you give them too much credit. It's not that the US military is offending their principles, it's simply the same old business that anything Bush does is fruit of the poisoned tree. If Clinton were running S&M sessions (I'm talking Bill now, not Hillary playing bad cop in leather) to get muslims to talk they would be praising his thinking outside the box to get information without 'violent' torture.

This isn't offending their delicate sensabilities, this is simply something to provide them ammo in their usual partisan hack-like manner.

Posted by: Ring on July 17, 2005 02:57 AM

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.
Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.
This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.
I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York .

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA
treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget.

To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.
God bless America. Thank you and good night.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.

Posted by: son of america on July 17, 2005 09:36 AM

Since when do liberals dislike prostitutes? Madonna, Janet Jackson, etc. - simulating masterbation and showing their privates while performing - they seem to love that. Under this definition wouldn't that be considered mass torture?

Posted by: Dina on July 17, 2005 11:44 AM

The more detail the reports I discover, the more I doubt ANY of this supposed "torture" actually occurred outside these Moslems' sick fantasies. Ace was correct to parody it as a "Penthouse Forum" letter - that's exactly what it is.

Posted by: Megan on July 17, 2005 12:29 PM

Oh man! The omelet analogy is ironic if perhaps unfortunate in this context since 'breaking eggs to make omelets' was NY Times reporter Walter Duranty's ends-justifies-means excuse for his fawning reports on the Stalinist collectivization policies that murdered millions.

On the other hand, it does serve to remind us that the Grey Lady still proudly displays the Pulitzer Prize they won for his fearless journalistic endeavors. Guess they don't have any misgivings about ol' Walt fellating Uncle Joe if that's what it takes to get a trophy for their display case.

Posted by: on July 17, 2005 12:34 PM

That is some deep irony, Izzie. Strikes right at the heart of the post too. You know what else? Ace also mentioned toast. I hear several Yellow Lady editors eat toast, including some of the communists.

Posted by: rdbrewer on July 17, 2005 06:34 PM

"$20 in any downtown area will get you more than enough humilation and degradation."

Fair Flower of Southern Womanhood:

You're missing the point. It pains me to contribute to your ongoing corruption, but you should understand that we don't want to pay for it. What's the point of that? We want it forced upon us while we shriek in protest. Oh yeah!

Posted by: Michael on July 17, 2005 09:19 PM

Quiet, Butters.

Posted by: Megan on July 18, 2005 12:11 PM

Michael,

Uhh..not buying that. I think you enjoy contributing my corruption.

;-)

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on July 18, 2005 08:18 PM

$20 in any downtown area will get you more than enough humilation and degradation.

Silly boys.

RightWingSparkle

When David Letterman came to the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, he joked about what an expensive place Houston was: "they're selling bull semen here for $200 and ounce. Hell I can get that in Times Square for $5.00!"

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