What an asshole. Apparently, because Marines referenced the enemy soldiers trying to kill them as "nips," they were racists, thus trumping their classification as heroes. As for not taking them prisoner, well James, that's because the Japanese by-in-large wouldn't surrender.

I saw a History Channel documentary on the invasion of Okinawa a few weeks ago, and some of the GIs talked about old Japanese women coming out of the caves with their hands up to surrender -- and then pulling out grenades. One remembered a friend of his being blown to bits by it. The "take no prisoners" approach was there for a reason.

Maybe, Carroll needs to tell it to the millions of asians the japanese enslaved, murdered, and starved. Asia for Asians, my ass.

Ironic reference to James Bond, as one of our true courageous heroes died within the last 24 hours:

James Bond Stockdale... Rest in peace, Adm. Stockdale, rest in peace.

I wish I was a cartoonist, 'cause then I could draw this fuck practicing his freedom of speech by spouting this shit while standing on the graves of the men who died to secure his liberty.

I make fun of OUTRAGE, but this bile is truly deserving of outrage.

Good grief. I'll grant you, most of what I know about the Pacific Theater I learned from watching McHale's Navy, but this guy is so stunningly ignorant it is difficult to imagine how he actually gets published.

Well I suppose, Allah, but they were merciful to civilians on Okinawa. Horrified Marines tried to get them to stop throwing themselves off cliffs, but the crazy bastards wouldn't listen, as pumped full of propaganda as they were. As for the Japanese military, well they just would not surrender. They'd hole up in caves and fight to the death (why flamethrowers were so handy) or charge suicidally. Hell, how many Japanese kept fighting the war in the jungles of the Phillipines, for 20, 30, 50 years?

To assert that Americans were somehow extraordinarily barbaric is not just inaccurate and terribly naive, it's really, really offensive. That was some of the worst combat on planet earth.

Dumb & Dumber kicked major ass.

One of my friends had the best endorsement of it ever: "I laughed so hard, I puked."

THe War is over. Bush fought a war for oil and we lost. Those of you who are not jeebus neocon chickenhawks should read this:

http://mattstover.blogspot.com/2005/07/can-i-just-say-here-how-wonderful-it.html

The rest of you who are cowardly white christian fucks should not bother, just stick to the Rovian message machine talking points.

Bill -- Agreed on all counts. I remember the segment about the cliff-divers and you're right, the men interviewed were still aghast at it. I'm simply responding to Carroll's point about GIs' refusal to take prisoners in certain cases. It was less a question of "vengeance" or racism than simple self-defense against sabotage.

Jeebus, Ace, you really do get low end trolls.

Geeeshhhh -- what's with the blizzard of new posts?

a lot of activity for someone contemplating retirement. again.

I think Caine is a parody troll

Boston Irish,

It's the old trick from HS and college to conflate quality with quantity.

That's one problem with the left, you can't tell the parody from the real.

Holy crap. I cannot believe he said that. Wait, is this the guy who wrote "Hitler's Pope"? I take that back. I totally believe he wrote that.

I'm glad my grandfather isn't around to read this crap. He would've decked that guy, just as he decked my dad for saying "How many Japs did you kill?" (my dad was 18 at the time).

I find it a pity that so few people have any sense of shame.

You're simply showing yourself to be a bitter, nasty, intellectually-insecure (and rightly so) old hack whose politics are, and will forever be, shaped almost entirely by a fucking Crosby Stills & Nash song.

Now that's the Ace we know and love.

In a strictly hetero sort of way.

Here's a new one for the left to go apeshit over:

Bush falls off bike!!

This is the freaking headline on yahoo right now. Ugh

Ace is back on fire with this post. Quality and Quantity. He's fighting his way out of his hole of self pity with a bottle of valu-rite vodka in one hand, and an imaginary +3 attack flaming keyboard in the other.

Re : Bush falling off bicycle, he bumped into a police escort officer, also on a bike. It's not like he was speeding on a motorbike doing 80 when he wiped out. Geeez.

In other news, Hillary trips on step....

Ace, YER ON FIRE!

I remember the anti-Catholic anti-American James Carroll from a documentary about John Paul II. He sneered that JP2 really didn't understand Liberation Theology and was naive in his dealings with Marxists.

No, I didn't call him a fatuous douche-bag. That must have been somebody else.

I'm simply responding to Carroll's point about GIs' refusal to take prisoners in certain cases.

Sure, I figured.

Last time Bush fell off a bike was at his ranch in Crawford... explanation given was that the "dirt on the trail was loose because of rain". Down here the dirt is cleeche, clay-like, when it's wet it swells and when it dries it cracks (and becomes loose). The explainer didn't go into all that detail..

And I swear to God, some loony pulled up weather history for Crawford to point out how it hadn't rained all week (not knowing the rest of the 'it was dry when he was riding on it' detail). Nope, the story was "Bush lied about the weather". I thought this is as bad as it can get.

Of course, I was wrong.

And of course the Japanese weren't racists; they were filled with nothing but love and kindness for British, American, and Australian servicemen...

The japanese hated anyone who was not japanese. That's why they had no problems enslaving/murdeirng other asians.

In high school, a teacher of mine said we nuked the Japs and not the Germans because we were racist. I remembered thinking "That can't be true" and looked some things up.

The war in Europe ended on May 8, 1945. The Trinity Test of the first atmoic bomb happened on July 16, 1945.

Anyone who thought the Japanese in WWII would surrender obviously forgot this story from a few months ago.

Almost 60 years after WWII ended. That's dedication.

Unit 731
All I'll ever need to know about Japan and WWII. They deserved worse than they got. Autopsies on living victims, testing biological weapons on starving street children by hiding it in candy and handing it out on the streets, spreading plague in villages, and developing biological weapons to drop in America by long distance baloons. One of their test baloons actually killed some children and a pregnant woman in '45. The plan was to spred plague or other biological weapons in the US mainland.

China just found evidence of WMD left over by the Japanese the other day after 60 years. Gives perspective to how hard it might be to find WMD's in the desert.
http://www.chinadaily.com. cn/english/doc/2005-07/04/content_456698.htm
Take the space out from between the com. and the cn. Ace's spam guard thinks it's dirty for some reason.

Good grief. This multiple of zero makes the people who wrote the original Smithsonian exhibit on the Enola Gay look like Frank Capra.

That column is impossible to fisk -- you'd have to take apart almost every sentence.

Carroll cannot imagine the depths of hatred nations from Korea down to Burma still have for the monstrous Japanese conduct in WWII. Not just the 13-16 million they butchered, but for the individual acts of inhuman depravity that went past what even the Nazis at their worst did.

Would a yellow-striped journalist like Carroll have the balls to join soldiers on Guadacanal, Pelieau, Tarawa, Saipan???? No, not a gutless dispicable weasel like he, but many journalists did - the war correspondents who weren't paid to give opinion - but during and postwar wrote they were convinced they marched with American heroes.

DigitalBrownShirt - China just found evidence of WMD left over by the Japanese the other day after 60 years. Gives perspective to how hard it might be to find WMD's in the desert.

Isn't it time to give the "vast buried WMD stockpiles in an area as big as California still awaiting inevitable discovery" conservative trope it's own burial?? You embarass thinking people. All the scientists and military were in custody and interviewed years ago. Not a gram was found. If any "evildoer" gang of "terrorists that hijacked the Religion of Peace" buried any, they forgot where they buried it or have simply been too nice to use any on the infidel Zionist Crusaders for the last 2 years.

Please, DigitalBrownShirt, you are morphing into a brainless liberal still talking about how the "truth about Ohio will come out" and show Kerry is the real President.

1. No WMDs. A royal intelligence screwup.
2. Neocons who wanted America to invade Iraq, Iran, and Syria to help Israel . They heard what they wanted to hear and suckered Cheney and Bush into believing vast Iraqi WMDs and a liberation "cakewalk".
3. We got egg on our face, embarassed ourselves badly on a string of bad decisions. Now it's time to wipe the egg off, win the conflict, and learn from our mistakes.

4. Do something about all them JOOOOOOOOOOs.

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist.)

Cedarford: I'd value your opinion if you weren't an inbred, jew hating moron, but you are, so suck my cock.

Does anybody really believe Cedarford's not one of Ace's personalities. He can't be real.

Well, Digital, go grab a shovel and start digging in the Iraqi desert! What's deterring a true believer from proving the world wrong about vast WMD stockpiles but your lack of spine and scrotal fortitude? Go! Go! Show how you snipe hunt...

Stupid asshole fanatic.

Wassamatter, DigitalBrownAsshole, can't grasp reality??

If we could stick all the brainless conservative blind idealogues who refuse to admit mistake in that desert with shovels....and hand all their blindly liberal counterparts over to the Islamoids they love on anti-American solidarity.......America would be a better nation for it.

And again, Israel is not our 51st State, and loyalty to Israel compromises loyalty to America...

Cocksucker.

"But now the nation lacks even that. As our president demonstrated last week, we have become a people who wage unending war -- killing and maiming our young ones and theirs -- without being remotely able to say why."

Does anyone edit this shit? "without being remotely able to say why"? What? You mean NOBODY has ANY reason for fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? WHAT?

He might disagree with the reasons. But he says there ARE no reasons.

This guy seriously writes columns for like, you know, a living?

Proposal: New expression for comment threads steered off topic by cf:

we've been Jew-jacked.

Just a minute....I'm getting a transmission on my super secret zion decoder ring.....it says cedarford is a fuckstick.....fugazi out

Well, lets see who Jew jacks, Dave from Texas.

I write a 10:57 post that does not mention Zionists, but neocon intents in passing on us invading Syria to finf the "vast missing buried stockpiles of Iraqi WMD" .

Which then gets Jew-jacked by Dogstar, DigitalBrownShirt, and finally you, DaveFromTexas into:

"Its all about the Jews!"

Then after playing the "anti-Semite" card as predictably as Jesse Jackson plays the race card, you - like Jesse - accuse the other side of injecting race into the conflict.

Not that a boot-licking traitor to Israel's Likud like you, DaveFromTexas, has any sense of shame. And you wonder, no doubt ceaselessly, how Noble Israel's defenders like you have failed to stifle, browbeat, guilt trip, threaten the World's population from not considering Zionists sleazy pariahs.

Duh!

cedarford,

blow me.