Huh..has anyone ever seen Ray McGovern and Cedarford together?

My bet is no.

Pretty fucking pathetic.

Now it's PiL?

Heh.

" ... I could be wrong, I could be right ..."

Great tune.

And yes, the Democrats have definitely gone over the edge. But this latest bout of foot-in-mouth is so fucking stupid and so obviously self-injurious, I can't even muster up the energy to ream them out for it.

Ream them out? I say, root them on. The more they pull these kinds of stunts, the sillier they look. When they do this, they reveal themselves as totally unserious individuals, and people who might otherwise think some of their ideas make some sense see them for the immature twerps they are.

But that only works if there's press coverage. As Byron York was illustrating, the NY Times isn't even covering this.
I know Hume will tackle it, but will this even make the regular Sunday shows?

The less this drivel is covered, the better. But if you've got to see it for yourself, C-Span2 is reshowing the sad spectacle tonight at 8pm EST.

Ace, have you noticed that "ionic air filter" ad you're running.

It's obscene enough to need a caption contest. My entries:

"Wow is right! Sure, I'm flattered, and maybe even a little curious, but I don't think they would fi--- oh, you said they're *air filters.* Nevermind."

"Yes, I *am* sitting a little awkwardly. Yes, there *did* use to be four "air filters" on display. What's your point?"

Well lets see the dems pick up David Duke's, Pat Buchanan's and Cedarford's votes. If they don't lose a couple million more in response this just might put them back in power

Let them act as dumb as they want, eventually no one will take them seriously except for some Green Party defectors.

I just wanna know -- who is going to pay for all the padded cells and long sleeved jackets we're gonna need when this all comes to its logical conclusion. You and I -- that's who. You and I.

speaking of bodily fluids......

Sound File

Man I love that movie.

Jack M and Howard Devore attempt to seek enforcement of the conventional wisdom carefully implanted in American that only one nation, Israel, must never be criticized when discussing foreign policy.

Now, Americans are free to criticize the leaders of Russia, China, France, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Mexico, etc. and the citizens and culture at work in each country - all major focuses of our foreign policy - like Israel is.

But we are told while it is OK to question the motives of Muslims in the USA, communists here in the past that worked to advance to Soviet Union, ethnics here that seek favors and special deals for China, India, Saudi Arabia....one nation and the people here working to advance it's interests must be given a pass...because to do otherwise would amount to a form of religious bigotry.

We know that various government officials in the Pentagon, CIA, and Congressional staffs feel that the "Likudniks" the Pentagon civilians - and the neocons may have Israel's interests higher than the USA, but that publically saying so is strictly verboten.

The public meeting of Left-Wing Democrats, while far-out on many of their subjects, was important in that it is the first time in America a large group of elected politicians dared do what is commonplace in other countries - criticize Israel and those Americans that place Israel's interests 1st.

It is important because we know the neocon plan - use of American blood and treasure to roll up a series of countries that pose a threat to Israel under the rubric "fighting terrorism" while Israel stands pat and does not expend a shekel or a single soldier's life. As Michael Ledeen's open exhortation goes: "First Iraq, then Lebanon, then Syria, then Iran, then Saudi Arabia! Faster America. Faster, please." Ledeen and others recently changed their tune - and say we Americans must attack Iran 1st now..because their nuclear program threatens nuclear-armed Israel. They have temporarily stopped their calls for an American invasion and occupation of Syria to "find Iraq's missing WMD, which are surely buried in Syria's desert - the Mossad says so!"

Our Christian Zionist President sees nothing wrong with this, and he shuns a balanced ME policy unless Blair drags him to even-handedness. But Americans are getting pretty queasy about the notion that America has no alternative but a series of bloody, expensive ME wars - Iraq alone has cost us over 200 billion so far (will pass Vietnam as the 3rd most expensive war in US history in 12-15 months).

As the only remaining Western nation where open discussion of ME foreign policy is stifled, the Democrats involved in this Conference deserve credit for helping break down the wall that any criticism of Israel is unacceptable in America..

The War with radical Islam, the Iraq War, prospects for 4-5 more wars with countries in the ME is too important to deliberately omit any discussion of a Major, Central Player...and it's followers in America that give it such clout in Washington DC and in the MSM.

Oh oh! Somebody forgot to pick up the refills!

Fun Jewish fact- Deep throat was not actually Mark Felt, It was Ben Stein. After sucking up to the red chinese and the NVA, Nixon was going to bring peace to the middle east, by letting them carve up Israel.
Those expletives in the transcripts? He's calling people "Jooooooo". The missing 18 minutes spelled this plan out even better. So Mossad activated Ben Stein to take Nixon down.
(Didn't you know? All of those "Temples" are secretly jewish ninja training centers. You didn't honestly think Jooos prayed to God did you? They can't even right out His name without gettin struck by lighting bolts.)

Proof? Woodward and Bernstein initially referred to Deep Throat as "My Friend". While some might think that it stands for Mark Felt, they havent read the Protocols hard enough. Woodward and Bernstein work in the media. What better friend do media figures have than the Joooos?

The rest is history.

The above history lesson was provided by me.

The More You Know (TM) and all that

Devore, allow me to introduce a comtemporary history lesson to you. We are not concerned with old Watergate stories - but with the war and soldiers dying and getting maimed every day.

My questions for you.

Joooooooos, as you say, are 3% of the population. How many of those dead and maimed American soldiers who served in Iraq and Afghanistan are Jews? 1%? 0.5%? 0.1%?

Here's a fun Jewish fact for you. The only group that vehemently opposed entering WWII then turned on a dime when Hitler invaded their beloved, progressive Soviet Union? Jewish Americans.

Another fun fact? The group that had the 2nd lowest volunteer rate of any ethnic group in WWII and the lowest rate in the Vietnam Era? Jewish Americans.

Yet another fun fact? No President ever did more for Israel than Nixon. (NOt even Jimmy Carter, who was bamboozled into starting Israel's 3+ billion dollar annual welfare check and bring Egypt with 2 billion a year to lay off Israel - at Camp David...). But it didn't help him with Jewish-Americans who basically hated Nixon for going after the Communists.

Cedarford, Ledeen's views have been the same for years, publicly expressed, in mass-release books and columns. If this is a conspiracy, it's a remarkably open one.

Ace, PLEASE discipline/ban this sick asshole. He's on to the "no Jews in foxholes" line now. Father Coughlin in the house, ladies and gentlemen.

"Here's a fun Jewish fact for you. The only group that vehemently opposed entering WWII then turned on a dime when Hitler invaded their beloved, progressive Soviet Union? Jewish Americans."

Hmmmm...

I thought most Americans were strongly opposed to entering WWII prior to Pearl Harbor.

Isn't that kind of why we were caught so off guard? Because Congress wouldn't ramp up the defense budget and enlistments were not up, in 1939, 1940 and 1941?

Our Merchant Marine sailors were dying from German torpedos for two years or so prior to us entering the fight. One of our warships was sunk in China when the Japs raped Nanking. And still that didn't bring cries to join the fight.

The most we ever did in retaliation was to cut off oil shipments to Japan, which is why they declared war on us. Doesn't sound to me like we had much interest in fighting.

In case you haven't noticed, when Howard Devore taunts me, I have no problem taunting back. Don't like US history, Knemon? Your solution seems to be to stifle it as too unpleasant to recount. Oh, and to censor...

And it isn't "No Jews in Foxholes" - just an historical fact of precious few Jewish-American volunteers in foxholes, and the hapless ones who somehow could not avoid being drafted stuck in foxholes.

As for Ledeen and his parrotting the Likud "Clean Break" plan being years old - of course it is!

The Likud came up with it in 1996, and Ledeen started his exhortation for America to fell a series of Israel's enemies a few years later. Then, 9/11 was a gift...as more neocons joined Ledeen and those already committed to "A Clean Break" plan - through their involvement in the Project for the New American Century. Iraq was always supposed to be 1st. After the "cakewalk" in Iraq, a good portion of the neocons wanted the American military to invade and occupy Syria...apparantly on the basis of Israeli "reports" that mass quantities of Iraqi WMD were secretly moved across the Border and buried there. Then Israel subsequently became more worried about Iran and it's nuclear program and the neocons followed Israel's shift. They now clamor for the US to "surgically bomb" Iran, US Army to invade - and thus bring about regime change as Iranians grateful for us bombing & invading them form a pro-American democracy and embrace Israel.

I don't know if Ledeen has changed his chant yet to "next Iran, then Syria, then Saudi Arabia..Faster, America! Faster Please!".

"Don't like US history"

EAT STRYCHNINNE, Cedarford. I like US history just fine. I don't like Coughlin, StormFront, David Irving, or you. At all.

Think Israel has disproportionate influence on this country? Think our close relations with Israel are part of what's fueling the Jihad?
Guess what: I kind of agree with you. Some of the stuff you say makes sense

... but you take it way, way, waaaaaaaaayyyyy tooo far, and you daily cross the line of acceptable discourse. You are an anti-Semite. Raving, foaming, spitting at the mouth, the worst I've seen this side of a Christian Identity chat site.

In this thread, you've lazily equated communists and jews (something Hitler was fond of, and NO, this isn't violating Godwin's law - if the analogy is ever applicable, it is here), made a bunch of crayola-simple generalizations, and then have the gall to talk to me about respecting "history."

Seriously, everbody, get my back here. Am I crazy, or is CF the textbook example of an anti-Semitic nut? When I first started coming here, I thought y'all were too hard on him - but either it's gotten worse, or I've just seen more of it.

Either way, you are a sad lunatic. We could get into discussion of Ledeen and his policy views but discussion isn't what you want. You smear, you slime and you snark, and it's a waste of time.

LMAO @ Ace! May the road rise with you....

So...no one can confirm that Cedarford and McGovern are different people.

Looks like I win!

And I wasn't attempting to "seek enforcement" of anything, Cedarford. I was simply laughing at the fact that everything the wingnut McGovern was quoted as saying looked uncannily like the fringe garbage you spout all the time.

So here is your chance, Cedar. Do you associate yourself with or repudiate McGovern's remarks?

Knemon,

He hasn't gotten worse. His technique is to make semi-reasonable comments about whatever the thread is about, then at the first opportunity he launches into his anti-semitic rants. He uses Israel as his proxy for the anti-semitism he spouts. He thinks we are all too stupid here to see through his smoke screen. If he chooses to comment here then you shouldn't concern yourself with being 'too hard' on him, because quite frankly, he deserves every ounce of vitriol he receives.

You know Jack M, Cedarfuck never did address our original point (I skimmed so I didn't see that you made the same point I did at the top of the post).

That Cedardouche should be at home in the Democratic party. That the not-so-fringe-anymore, "blame the jooos", antisemitic mentality of Buchanan, Cedarfart and their ilk has a new home in the Democrat Party, rather than the defunct Bircher wing of the Republicans. Why? Because the republicans have decided certain views are unacceptable for any national figure of theirs. Hell, Lott got roasted on a spit for hardly anything other than the perception of possible racism.

So the bastards have moved to the left, joined up with the palestinian movement and the ANSWER crowd. And in so doing have nearly hijacked the Democrat party.

Evan Coyne Maloney of brain-terminal.com had a good video of anti-semitism at a "peace" rally. The rampant hatred on display at these rallies, down to the blood libel and kosher "tax" being invoked at some events, is chilling, more reminiscent of a prewar Nazi rally than the hippies of 30 years ago.

Not that I think either major party is going to run an anti-semite in '08, but the more the dems play with this fire, the more they appeal to this base, the more moonbats they promote to higher levels (such as Howard "The most interesting theory... is that he [Bush] was warned ahead of time by the Saudis" Dean), the more likely it becomes that some Nazi fuck does get the nomination in the future. Probably under some "Bring the troops home and let the arabs push the Jews into the sea to fix the Middle East" banner. And the willlingness of the Democrats to embrace this ideology to get elected is frightening. Couple this with a purposeful ignorace of the holocaust or at least a decision to downplay it, such as Dickhead Durbin is doing, and it's downright chilling. No, letting a 3 year old monkey with the theromstat while playing enough rap music to make Bruce Willis scream is in no way, shape or form equal to what the Nazis did to their prisoners. It's not even in the same ballpark. It's not even in the same FUCKING GALAXY!

So what can be done? Should we support the Republicans no matter what, in the hopes that someday the Democrats grow up enough to be allowed back as a major party? Should we put burning Stars of David on the lawns of suspected antisemites? I honestly don't know.

I choose mockery. That and kicking the local Nazi around as much as possible. For now that seems all that I can do.

And Ace, on the subject of Evan Coyne Maloney, wasn't he last Tuesday's guest on Hoist the Black Flag? If so any chance of you pimping the repeat schedule so I can try to catch the repeat?

Knemon - EAT STRYCHNINNE, Cedarford. I like US history just fine. In this thread, you've lazily equated communists and jews (something Hitler was fond of, and NO, this isn't violating Godwin's law - and then have the gall to talk to me about respecting "history."

Whaaaah! I know it isn't fair that Jews were a preponderance of the original Bolsheviks, that Jews led the bloody Communist coups in Hungary (Bela Kun nee "Cohen") and in Germany by the Spartacists (Rosa Luxembourg). Or that Jews led and formed a preponderance of the membership of the USA Communist Party, and met heavy losses at the organizations they infiltrated - State Department, ACLU, Hollywood studios during the purges of the 40s and 50s.

The twin Sirens luring Jews politically since the late 19th Century have been Communism and Zionism - sort of a split between the atheist Lefty Jews and the Religious conservatives.

Generally, Zionism is held to be more acceptable a pursuit in America for Jews than their heavy involvement in hard core Leftist activism and using the Courts to push a Leftist agenda......

But even with Zionism, there are elements of it that harm America's vital interests if we give uncritical backing to whatever Israel and it's loyalists in the USA want. And we have to be as wary of our politicians being cajoled or having their palms greased by Israel's backers as we are of the same being done to them by the Saudi Lobby, the Big Pharma Lobby, the China Lobby, the Tobacco Lobby. What's good for Israel, Pfizer, China, Saudi Arabia isn't necessarily good for America...

The danger we faced from the Zionists and neocons recently was their efforts to ensnare the USA in 4 -5 major military conflicts that would have been of great benefit to Israel - but of marginal benefit to America - given the diplomatic, financial, and blood costs. I think the danger of neocon/Zionist urgings to get America into more wars is waning fast, because the public knows how stretched our military is and see our Iraq adventure as badly flawed, mixed blessings.

It is a classic tactic of those employing the "anti-semetic" smear to launch it at anyone criticizing Israel or the motives of it's backers. That anyone opposing the expanding Settlements must be a hateful nut - even if they protest Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions doing so and is defying the US official policy voted on in Security Council Res 242. The normal counter-tactic is to accuse those making the "anti-Semite" charge of being more loyal to Israel than the country they reside in.

As for effectiveness - international support for Israel has eroded down over the years to just the US, which has a portion of it's population still believing the Zionist myths they were carefully fed. Other nations once cowed into silence or voting Israel's way by charges that anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism have peeled away. The UN votes are 190-2 against Zionist colonies these days.

In the US, criticism of Zionism is now freely permitted in Democratic circles, universities, churches - and the media is finally showing "both sides" of the Palestinian Question. More people are questioning why Israel backstabs the US with it's periodic attempts to sell US defense secrets to China, it's extensive pionage network in America, or why it is the responsibility of America to pay for building colonies we are against in the first place or having to pay half a million dollars as an inducement to a Settler family to abandon their illegal occupation of Gaza land.

Jew!

Oh I'm sorry. Am I getting to your little Jew Brain? Did I distract you from your precious wallet?

Last comment was from Howard Devore, if you check out "Princess's" email address - not Princess Leia. Oddly......I suppose if Howard can't find a real anti-Semite he feels compelled to pose as one.

Funny how I DIDN'T HIDE IT!!! I could have put in any email address but i put in an identifier so the bright boys and girls could figure it out.

Keep this up and you'll be off the short bus in no time.

Heck we might even promote you to remedial PE.

It was a quote, and a decent summary of the typical Cedarfuck post.

Now I understand that the 90 dim-wits held their fantasy trial using fake documents. It seems that there were 8 originals and all were destroyed, and the document the dim-wits relied on was a retyped copy made by a left wing America hater from England. Wow, that sure puts the 'dim' in dim-wit doesn't it. Now there are 90 members of the U.S. congress that can join Blather Rather in the corner with their tin foil dunce caps. Is there any way someone could get a package through the congressional security system with a few hundred tin foil hats so they will no longer be bothered by the cosmic rays? I've sent several of them an e-mail and invited them to make their apology (not) on national TV. I'll bet every single one of them issues an apology. (not) Gutless bunch of idiots is their proper description.

Cedarford, you're seriously claiming you're *not* an anti-Semite? Yes, yes, again, to state the obvious, one can criticize Israel and not be an anti-Semite. One can NOT, as far as I know, launch into frequent rants about World Jewry and its Evil Machinations, and not be an anti-Semite.

If you have children, I hope they convert. If you have a heart attack, I hope it's a Jewish doctor who saves your worthless life. Then when he's sewing your filthy chest back up, I hope he slips a little plastic star of David inside the cavity so a symbol of all your hatreds, obsessions and inadequacies can burrow up next to that lump of coal you call a heart forever.

I Just Can't Stop Myself here.

the United States went to war in Iraq for oil, Israel and military bases craved by administration "neocons" so "the United States and Israel could dominate that part of the world."

If the US and Isreal should not "dominate" the middle east which has 2/3 of all the oil on planet, who should? The Palestinians? The Iranians? The Syrians? Osama bin Laden and al-Quida? Hammas? The Islamic Jihad? The Islamic Salvation Army? The PLO? Hizballah?

If we don't "dominate" the mid east they will, you stupid, low down, bunch of scumbag dirty yellow dogs!