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June 12, 2005
The Unfathomable Allure Of Online Gambling. [Dave at Garfield Ridge]Friend of Ace, me, and dogs everywhere See-Dubya has been posting over at Patterico's for some time now. Now, I never gamble, unless I order out. I love Las Vegas, and Atlantic City ("Where New York goes to smoke") has its Springsteen-lyric charms, but my appreciation for both locales runs more into the realm of people watching than the opportunity to let it ride. If I play at all, it's just to keep myself mildly entertained until I can scout the clubs or hit a restaurant. If I earned a cool million a year, I might reconsider my timidity, but geez, there are plenty of things in life more worthy of spending money on, like call girls, Johnnie Walker Blue, and .50 caliber sniper rifles. I'll stick to watching ten straight hours of the World Series of Poker and my scratchy VHS copy of Rounders, thank you very much. Perhaps this all makes my opinion concerning online gambling unworthy of consideration. After all, I've never tried it, but that's because I subscribe to the same reasons not to that See-Dubya lists. Besides, if I'm going to spend all that time online, I'll just surf for porn, thank you. And I can find everything I want for free (with the exception of those, ahhh, "specialty" films involving. . . well, we won't get into that now, will we?). So, anyone out there play online, or know someone who does? Care to explain the appeal, if the answer is not "addiction is a terrible illness"? posted by Ace at 06:45 PM
CommentsNo, I like playing online, but I don;t do it for money. Yeah, it may be cheap, but I have the same qualms as you. Besides, now there are stories (Bainbridge has a post on it) about programmers making poker robots to try to cheat the system. Posted by: Mark on June 12, 2005 07:05 PM
It is a big risk--even with games that are pos. expectation in real-world casinos. The only sane bet I can think of (I don't bet online) is a sports bet with independent verification of odds via checking the Vegas casinos, your personal bookie, etc. for whatever bet you are going to place (line, money line, over/under, whatever) with a site that you trust will pay. The rub would be/is finding that trusted site. 'Course you could simply keep your bets four figures or smaller so you can't be really burned. Otherwise it makes no sense as Ace writes. No thrill of the others, no sensational clubs, foods, experiences, shows.... Posted by: ghs on June 12, 2005 07:38 PM
One of the guys I worked with in Vegas would always want to borrow $10 for gas... 3 days after payday. He was hooked on video poker machines. I heard he lost his house and is living on the street now. MoS Posted by: Man of Substance on June 12, 2005 08:24 PM
Once you reach 35 if you still have the bug, you are on thin ice just like the previous post. Posted by: jj shaka on June 12, 2005 08:38 PM
G*mbling is nonsensical, anyway. If you can't afford to lose, you shouldn't play, and if you can afford to lose, well then it isn't really g*mbling, is it? Posted by: CraigC on June 12, 2005 09:52 PM
Entertainment, really. Casinos are ace for people watching, but sometimes you want to go and none of your friends are around, and screw going alone. Someone's gotta tell you when the sun breaks the horizon. As ever, never play with more than you're willing to lose. I always assume I'm going to lose everything I bring. Of course, I've never actually lost. So, uh, no one should listen to me on this subject. Posted by: Rob on June 12, 2005 10:16 PM
You have one thing incorrect: Putting money on a well known poker site is less risky than using ebay. First, you use a middle man site for transactions like Pay-Pal or the same sites used for ebay. Second, once all information for the transaction is made ~ around three or four working days later an "intent" for withdrawl is posted on the account. There is an odd amount of change added to the withdrawl intent. This change amount is the password for the paysite. This has to be entered correctly and you only have two shots before the password shuts you out. Several working days later the money is posted on the paysite. You still have to get the money to the poker site which has an extra set of passwords and confrimation to make a valid withdrawl from the paysite. The entire transaction takes about a week and requires your email, access to your checking accounts and valid transactions and passwords all the way through. It is the same system used for ebay or Amazon. The system is very secure. (Using the top reputible sites) Major sites like "PokerStars" which host the world series of poker, are huge buisneses. They can't afford to have a cheating system. It is just like anything else on-line ~ stay with the reputible companies. Posted by: David on June 12, 2005 11:49 PM
Whoa, thanks for the link, Dave. Another reason not to gamble online is that I could spend the free time for much cheaper mowing down the marauding aliens of planet Zornkog with my fully-automatic grenade launcher in gloriously rendered stereo 3-D. Which, unlike going into a casino, is something I'm not able to do whenever I feel like it in real life. While the discussion of the reputable sites is interesting, there is nonetheless usually a regulated and licensed alternative not too far away that I would trust more. Posted by: See-Dubya on June 13, 2005 12:08 AM
The real danger of online poker isn't that the poker site will defraud you. It's that you can never know if your opponents are colluding against you. If three guys play together in an online parlor and collude via conference call they'll clean the floor with you every time, and there would be no way to prevent it. It's hard to collude in real life, but if your opponents aren't sitting in the room with you, how could you tell? Posted by: Roland on June 13, 2005 12:51 PM
I'd second what David said -- I really enjoy playing online poker. You can play for hours at $.01 tables if you like and gather some great experience. You don't have to get everyone together and you don't have to shuffle a single card. In real life, going through a 4000-person tournament could take days, while online you can work through one in just a few hours. You can come and go as you like, and the atmosphere is far more relaxed than at a real casino. You just play the odds, you don't have to watch your tells, etc. Personally, I love it. And like David said, you would never use a site that requires a credit card number. Sites like PokerStars are quite reputable. Posted by: Beatnik Joe on June 13, 2005 06:45 PM
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Funniest thing I've read about the Virginia mess. Back when they were hustling the referendum through the assembly both Senators, Warner and Kaine, advised them to go slow and play by the rules. Louise Lucas said she respected them but didn't need advice from the "cuck chair" in the corner. The gerrymandering was overturned and Louise is heading for the big house. Edward G. Robinson voice "where's your cuck now?" I posted his post on twitter and it's gotten 25K views so far. Thanks, Smell the Glove Chris
Forgotten 80s Mystery Click That Sums Up the Democrat Communist Party Today
Something is wrong as I hold you near Somebody else holds your heart, yeah You turn to me with your icy tears And then it's raining, feels like it's raining
"It's f**king f**ked."
-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source" Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held. Basil the Great
"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)
No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.
Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
Annunziata Rees-Mogg Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
The British Patriot Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing. Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult. Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending. (((Dan Hodges))) Nick Lowles
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98. Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years. Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45 Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%. I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens. REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs. Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
Media bias and senationalism are as old as, well, the media:
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