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June 12, 2005

The Right To Self Defense Upheld [Say Anything]

A criminal in West Virginia tries to hold up a 7-Eleven. During the crime the criminal is distracted by an employee allowing another employee to pull out her personal fire arm and hold the criminal captive until authorities arrive.

This brave woman's prize for standing up to criminal scum? Termination from her employment for violating 7-Eleven's "don't bother the criminals" policy.

Thankfully, when the termination was legally challenged, the courts upheld the idea that a persons right to self defense was more important than corporate policy.


posted by Ace at 12:33 AM
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Out of professional curiousity, I wonder what she was carrying? Not all women are like Kate and like full-size 1911A1's.

Posted by: SGT Dan on June 12, 2005 02:02 AM

I can see why the company has this policy. I wouldn't want someone shooting blindly and taking out a few customers and end up liable for it. On the other hand, I think self defense trumps policy here. Hell, give her a warning and let it go already.

Posted by: on June 12, 2005 05:36 AM

According to the comment thread at SA's blog, this employee actually snatched the robber's gun.

I'm with 7-11 here. The policy is obviously intended to protect the safety of customers and employees, a concern that trumps protecting a few bucks in the cash register. Any cop would give the same advice. 7-11 certainly had good cause to fire this idiot -- she endangered everyone present.

Think about the convenience store employees you see. How many of them look like they're actually competent to responsibly handle a firearm, much less disarm a robber in order to get the gun in the first place?

Posted by: Michael on June 12, 2005 02:12 PM

Michael, you make a good point as far as defending the general policy, but you seem unwilling to make an exception to the policy when the policy doesn't make sense.

Sure, most 7-11 employees may not be competent to handle a gun, but this one was. Maybe most employees should decline to try to disarm a robber, but this one did it successfully.

General rules are well and good, but you don't apply the rule just for the rule's sake.

Posted by: Sobek on June 13, 2005 02:21 AM

"I'm with 7-11 here. The policy is obviously intended to protect the safety of customers and employees, a concern that trumps protecting a few bucks in the cash register."

It looks to me that holding captive the guy that's actually endangering the customers and employees would be a way to protect those customers and employees. Not only does the criminal run just as much risk of accidentally shooting somebody as anybody else with a gun (and remember, criminals average stupider than the general population), but there's a good chance that the criminal will intentionally kill customers and employees, to eliminate witnesses or even just for kicks. (He's a criminal, remember?)

"Think about the convenience store employees you see. How many of them look like they're actually competent to responsibly handle a firearm, much less disarm a robber in order to get the gun in the first place?"

They've got to be at least as competent to responsibly handle a firearm as the average criminal. Criminals don't turn to armed robbery because they're brilliant, but because they have no respect for others' lives and property and they're such a failure in civil society that a handful of 20's from a convenince store cash register is worth the risk of getting jailed or even shot. Definitely not the sort of person that's going to be more trustworthy with a gun than the law-abiding clerk, even if it weren't for the chance that he'll kill you on purpose just for kicks.

Posted by: Ken on June 13, 2005 11:45 AM

How many of them look like they're actually competent to responsibly handle a firearm

I don't want to sound too cavalier about this, but what particular skill set are you looking for? A gun has a simple and user friendly design. The perils of misuse are fairly well known even by complete idiots.

If they can responsibly scan your groceries, use a cash register and give change, they can operate a gun and defend themselves with it.

Posted by: lauraw on June 13, 2005 01:17 PM

--and as a retail store owner/operator, that whole "let them just have the money' philosophy burns me up.
Criminals grin and high-five each other when they hear that crap.

Why don't we just put up signs that say "Free Money! Just take it! We won't do anything!"

The more dangerous crime is, the less people want to become criminals, the safer we all are.

Posted by: lauraw on June 13, 2005 01:21 PM
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