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June 10, 2005

Movies That Make Men Cry. [Dave at Garfield Ridge]

Warning: gratuitous and egregious gender stereotyping contained within.

The other day while flipping the movie channels and coming across one too many chick flicks, I got to thinking: what sort of movies make men emotional?

It's axiomatic that real men don't cry, but admittedly, everybody gets choked up over things from time to time. You don't have to be full-on, tears-streaming-down-your-face crying to qualify here-- choking back the sniffles counts.

To address our question, I've got two theories, but before we get there, let's look at the chick flick.

Guys hate chick flicks because 1) they're usually stupid, 2) they're usually fantastic, 3) they don't speak to guys.

They're stupid because, well, they're stupid. They usually rely on artificial comic scenarios ("She thinks he's gay but it's just a misunderstanding!"; "She thinks her mother doesn't want her to get married but secretly she does!"). If there is any romance at all, it's inevitably spawned by the "meet-cute," that accidental meeting where our heroine bumps into her one true love in a bookstore/coffee shop/tractor-pull only to spend the rest of the damn movie being prevented from hooking up because of their own stupidity or misunderstandings.

Which brings me to the fantastic part-- no one in real life acts like this. Case in point: in nearly every romantic chick flick, there is a scene where Julia Roberts/Meg Ryan/Jennifer Lopez is drunk in a bedroom with Dylan McDermott/Dermot Mulroney/Freddie Prinz, Jr., and instead of rutting like rabbits in heat, the man decides against taking advantage of the drunken woman and puts her quietly to bed instead.

Granted, in real life this makes some sense, because in real life we haven't watched 45 minutes of our woman telling her mother/her sister/her beautician/her mortician that she's in love with the guy and wants to be loved back. Watching the movie, however, you just feel cheated, because it's obvious that the screenwriter is artificially preventing the characters from doing what real people in real life would do, which is rut like rabbits in heat.

Finally, the chick flick doesn't speak in a language men understand. That's okay, it doesn't have to, that's why we've got Bruce Willis movies. Yet, women everywhere persist in dragging men to these movies in the hopes they'll one day find the sad sack who actually enjoys it.

Seriously, what real man can identify with a woman crying about their sister's love? Hey, if you two chicks want to hug and bond over that time in that cafe in Paris with that waiter (Jean-Luc!), be my guest-- I'll be watching Australian-rules football on ESPN2. Again, men's emotional buttons simply aren't the same as women's, and these movies don't punch them.

That all said, which movies *do* punch men's buttons?


Movie critic Jeffrey Wells has written a lot of things I disagree with, but one of the smartest things he ever wrote was his thesis that men cry over loss-- the loss of their one true love, the loss of a friend, the loss of a dog, the loss of a war, the loss of their bike, etcetera.

Obviously, women can get emotional over this sort of thing too, but it's really the only thing that consistently gets guys. Women carry baggage, men carry regret. Loss is usually accompanied by regret, which gets nearly every man at a certain point. If only I had asked that girl out. . . if only I had made that free-throw. . . if only I had told my daughter I loved her before I blew up the asteroid.

So, what are some movies that deal with loss that get most guys?

-- Old Yeller. He has to shoot his beloved dog. Also see The Yearling.
-- Forrest Gump: Jenny is that girl every guy knows, the girl who will never settle for the man who truly loves her and would take care of her, who would rather fly high and crash. A lot of people criticized the movie for killing Jenny at the end, but hey, it's a useful parable-- live decent and be happy for life, or live indecent and suffer the consequences.
-- Titanic: Yeah, yeah, it's a chick flick. But it has three elements (aside from Kate Winslet naked) that endear it to many guys. It has a big ship sinking with lots of nifty destruction. It has Leonardo DiCaprio dying. But it's that ending, with Rose being reunited in death with everyone on the Titanic, that made the film work as well as it did. It redeems all the cheese that came before by telling you how when you die, all that you lost returns to you.
-- E.T.: Boy has no friends. Boy finds best friend. Best friend leaves boy to return to outer space. It's a true story, and damn, does it still get me.

I mentioned one other theory: let's talk about vindication.

See, the opposite of regret is satisfaction, and satisfaction requires some sort of achievement or success. While any variety of success may make you happy, victory is sweetest when others have written you off. Movies understand this, which is why nearly every sports movie focuses on the underdog instead of the dominant team. There's no drama in following the New York Yankees winning another World Series, but the Boston Red Sox? No one expects them to win, thus it's twice as emotional when they do. You get the victory AND you get to prove others wrong. It's a two-fer.

How is this tied to regret? Well, if no one expects you to win, you're liable to never try. You'll just give up, surrender, let yourself be the bum people call you. You'll rationalize your choice-- the mountain was too high, the opposing team too tough, the Union had too many soldiers. The "lost cause" will give you comfort.

Yet, it is in overcoming that adversity, in *avoiding* the pain of regret and loss, that movies can make men emotional. Sure, women love a winner, too, but a guy watching the film will know that these guys could've given up, they could have suffered a lifetime of regret, but they didn't, and thus they proved their father/their boss/their wet-blanket wife wrong. Never underestimate the allure of revenge.

You could spend all day counting off movies that follow this archetype, but for guys, here are some of the best:
-- Hoosiers. Goes without saying.
-- High Fidelity. John Cusack has his regrets but confronts them head-on, learning that he can "win" if he learns to love the one he's with.
-- Glory. The "desperate, doomed assault" genre always resonates with men. In Glory, the 54th Massachusetts doesn't win in the end, but they satisfy the requirements of honor, and prove themselves worthy in the eyes of their peers.

Honor is a big factor. See, if men never try, they'll have regrets, which are bad. But failure is rarely guaranteed, so men feel compelled to give it a shot-- anything to avoid the pain of regret. Hence, the concept of honor: it's more important to try and fail then to never try. Most movies that deal with violent struggle feature this prominently, see Braveheart, Gladiator, or nearly every World War II movie ever made. Watching courage up on the screen inspires men, gets them all choked up, because it reminds them of what they *should* be doing in life.

Similarly, sports movies, particularly boxing movies-- see every Rocky movie, or the recent Cinderella Man-- feature a cast of characters dedicated to convincing our hero that he *can't* do what he's set out to do, what he must do. Talia Shire or Renee Zellwegger will spend half the movie telling her husband they shouldn't do what they're doing ("You're going to die in the ring!!!"), but the man has to do it anyway-- and when in the end he wins, he gets the vindication that many men are denied in real life.

Even if he dies, the movie recognizes his noble sacrifice, that he led a life worth living, which is all most men ever hope for-- to live a life worth living, a life of consequence. A shallow, selfish man cares about being remembered as a great man, but the true hero would rather be remembered as a good man.

Yup, movies are a great way to live vicariously.

Anyway, just some movie thoughts for a Friday. Let me know if you think I'm talking bunk here.

posted by Ace at 11:36 AM
Comments



How about Gallipoli? WWI featured not only a lost cause, but a lost generation.

Posted by: Chris on June 10, 2005 11:44 AM

Honor, service, fraternity...always bring a tear:


Braveheart
Saving Private Ryan

Posted by: on June 10, 2005 11:52 AM

Agree with Private Ryan
The end of Field of Dreams

Posted by: monkeyboy on June 10, 2005 11:53 AM

You missed Red Dawn, it gets me every time.

Posted by: Sinarian on June 10, 2005 11:57 AM

Not a "movie" but I well up through the whole second half of the Band of Brothers series and I don't think I'm alone. I'd say your dead on about the honor and sacrifice grabbing guys. The one concept you danced around was brotherhood forged in great difficulty, which, when done well, will always move a guy. All of the good war movies have this quality. Tombstone had this as well with Wyatt and Doc, and, of course, Wyatt's real brothers. It represents the masculine ideal of the relationship between men. The way it is ok to feel warm and fuzzy about another guy. Variation on this theme: a boy and his dog. Not as dramatic though.

Posted by: TheDude on June 10, 2005 12:06 PM

It always breaks me up when inanimate objects meet an untimely end. The USS Enterprise, Crocket's Ferrari, Ben Affleck...

Posted by: planetmoron on June 10, 2005 12:07 PM

The perfect example that combines both regret and vindication (and sports) -- The Natural with Robert Redford.

Posted by: Michael on June 10, 2005 12:13 PM

I have consistently observed the following to be "male tearing-up a little, but not in a gay way" movies

Rudy

And that last wedding scene in Sense and Sensibility when the older man has won his dream girl ( Kate Winslet).

Men won't admmit liking that movie, but when made to watch it, they all get choked up at that part.

Posted by: SarahW on June 10, 2005 12:15 PM

I wish you guys would have owned up to this so I could write a haiku about men who cry for the flame thread.

Chris and monkeyboy
sniffling into their popcorn
ovaries enflamed

I probably could have one one of those t-shirts!

Posted by: spongeworthy on June 10, 2005 12:15 PM

For some damn reason, the end of the movie "Frequency" makes me teary.

Also, when Sam picks up Frodo and starts carrying him up the mountain in "Return of the King?" Yeah, I cried.

Posted by: Slublog on June 10, 2005 12:44 PM

Ditto Frequency.

Also: Apollo 13, three or four different scenes in The Right Stuff, Rutger Hauer's "Tears in Rain" speech in Blade Runner, and (god help me) Kirk's eulogy for Spock in Wrath of Khan.

Apparently, someone in the local theater's snack bar is spiking Junior Mints with estrogen.

Posted by: apotheosis on June 10, 2005 01:02 PM

Two movies a guy can cry at without being thought a wuss: Brian's Song (loss) and Field of Dreams, when Burt Lancaster has to leave the field because that moron kid falls off the bleachers and chokes on a hot dog (regret)

Posted by: rgh on June 10, 2005 01:09 PM

It has almost become a cliche, but the Saint Crispin's Day speech from Henry V hits all the buttons: sacrifice, honor, brotherhood, loss and regret.

Perhaps most importantly, throughout time the vast majority of men are the "gentlemen in England now-a-bed," accurs'd for not being there and condemned to hold their manhoods cheap in the presence of the band of brothers. Thus the sense of regret is compounded by a sort of shame or guilt, because you find yourself in the presence (at least vicariously on the movie screen) of better men than yourself.

Movies with the theme of sacrifice like Braveheart and Gladiator don't work for me because they are too focused on the individual. Even Saving Private Ryan fails on this score for me. Glory, Black Hawk Down and Band of Brothers do manage to push my buttons though (a criticism of many critics, and a prime example of missing the point, was the criticism that the characters in BHD and BoB were not sufficiently differentiated so you couldn't identify with them as individuals).

This is not to dismiss movies focused on the individual. Movies like Rudy work for the reasons Dave mentioned in his post.

Posted by: Dave on June 10, 2005 01:11 PM

"criticism that the characters in BHD and BoB were not sufficiently differentiated so you couldn't identify with them as individuals)"

That's always very hard to do in an ensemble war movie. Everybody has to dress alike, ethnic diversity wasn't a reality in WWII. I think the move "The Longest Day" was effective in getting around that problem by having all the roles played by well known (if not very accomplished) actors such as Red Buttons, Bobby Darin etc..

Posted by: Master of None on June 10, 2005 01:23 PM

Two movies that come to mind right off the bat that made be tear up:

Man on Fire - The whole sacrifice thing.

Salton Sea - The very end is a great protrayal of friendship/loyalty.

War movies don't really get to me, though.

Posted by: jason on June 10, 2005 01:24 PM

The end of "Schindler's List", with all those survivors lining up to pay their respects at Oskar's grave. I was bawling like a baby.

I teared up a little bit at the end of "Titanic", too.

(Some acquaintances of mine somwhat approved of the first, but considered the second "gay". One of a long list of reasons I don't consider those people to be friends.)

Posted by: David Ross on June 10, 2005 01:26 PM

Watching courage up on the screen inspires men, gets them all choked up, because it reminds them of what they *should* be doing in life.

Exactly! What chokes me? The stand of the small British contingent to hold off the Nazis long enough for the evacuation at Dunkirk when they knew they were all going to die doing it, and they did. It is said that their collective courage and defiance in the face of fearsome odds inspired each man to their utmost; and their morale was tremendous, they were almost joyful for each man knew that though they were going to die, this was to be "their finest hour."

Posted by: 72 VIRGINS on June 10, 2005 01:27 PM

And that scene where Andy fights off the "Sisters," instead of submitting to their sweet prison-man-love...

Posted by: John on June 10, 2005 01:38 PM

What chokes me? Winston Churchill's:

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender ..."

"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."

"From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an iron curtain has descended across the Continent of Eurpoe."

Ronald Reagan to surgical team as he's being put under after being shot: "I hope you're all good Republicans."

Posted by: 72 Tommies on June 10, 2005 01:40 PM

Sorry, my previous post didn't make it, so read this one first:

"BHD and BoB were not sufficiently differentiated so you couldn't identify with them as individuals). "

I couldn't DISagree more. The great thing about BoB was that it was so long, you could differentiate and get to know the different characters. Whereas in a normal 2 1/2 hour long war movie (SPR) they have to rely on cliched characters, then kill them off to make the audience feel bad about war. Man, when Toye and Guarniere got hit by that arty... :,(

One area you left out, Dave, was the bonds of brotherhood. Like in Shawshank Redemption. The end, where Morgan Freeman is walking down the beach and you hear his voiceover: "I hope the Pacific is as clear and blue as it is in my dreams. I hope to see my friend again, to shake his hand. I hope..." Gets me every time.

Posted by: John on June 10, 2005 01:41 PM

Most of "The Seven Samurai", but particularly when Heihachi gets shot, and Toshiro Mifune climbs up on top of a house to wave their flag.

Posted by: SparcVark on June 10, 2005 01:42 PM

There is an associated factor at work here, the "tears of pride."

For instance, Apollo 13 was mentioned above. It's a great movie, but only one moment of the movie "gets" me, and that's the launch of the Saturn V. Why? Because I can watch that and think, "Hey, America built that. We can do great things, can't we?"

Since I'm such a space junkie, pretty much every similar example makes me giddy. From The Earth To The Moon was basically non-stop emotion for me. . . "we actually did this" kept coming to mind.

Too bad so much of that is gone today. . .

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on June 10, 2005 01:43 PM

Movies? The original 1930 version of All quiet on the Westrn Front.

Posted by: 72 Tearjerkers on June 10, 2005 01:44 PM

Gee, I can't believe I missed that angle-- perhaps it's just regret that America can no longer put a man on the moon that makes me sad when I see movies about it.

Damn Nixon.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on June 10, 2005 01:47 PM
only one moment of the movie "gets" me, and that's the launch of the Saturn V. Why? Because I can watch that and think, "Hey, America built that. We can do great things, can't we?"
That's the scene that gets me, too. My dad saw one of the real launches, and talked a lot about how powerful and moving an event it was.

Sadly, he didn't live to see the movie. I think he'd have loved that part.

Posted by: apotheosis on June 10, 2005 01:52 PM

Blade Runner, Band of Brothers (the series) got me choked up, but only one movie ever made me cry. David Lynch's "Elephant Man". Made me cry like a newborn baby.

Posted by: madne0 on June 10, 2005 02:04 PM

I Agree with Dave, especially about the monologue from Henry V - simply magnificent. Glory, Black Hawk Down, Band of Brothers, and I would even include Saving Private Ryan (for the first 20 minutes, if nothing else) as pretty strong "lump in the throat" movies. A couple others I haven't seen mentioned yet... Old Yeller (from my youth) - I mean, is there anything worse that having to shoot your own dog? - and We Were Soldiers. There are parts in the middle of We Were Soldiers that get to me, but the real clincher is the hymn, The Mansions of the Lord, sung at the end of the movie while the names of the men who died in the battle are listed. BTW... that's the West Point Glee Club doing the singing, and just the thought of young future officers singing those words for their fallen comrades is enough to push me over the edge. Then again, I was an Army officer, so that song may have more significance to me than to some others. And having Scottish/Irish/English ancestry lets me enjoy the "Sgt. MacKenzie" at the end as well!

Posted by: Steve on June 10, 2005 02:09 PM

The Champ. How can anyone not tear up to "wake up Champ, wake up!"

I do not know about crying but animal movies like the original Incredible Journey , Where the Red Fern Grows and Ol Yellar tug at the heart.

Posted by: Dman on June 10, 2005 02:34 PM

Schindler's List, when he was given the ring and lamented that his Nazi pin could have saved one, maybe two extra lives.

It's a Wonderful Life, when he realizes what good his own sacrifices had done for others.

Posted by: Scotian on June 10, 2005 02:58 PM

Probably outing myself here, but Babe the kids movie about a talking pig, puts a lump in the throat at the end.

Posted by: john(lesser) on June 10, 2005 03:26 PM

I should add that the Army recognizes some of this power of film. When I was in Infantry Officer Basic Course, during our instruction on motivation in combat, we watched scenes from Glory and Henry V (the Branagh version), among others. The battle scene from Aliens, where the platoon leader is inside his vehicle essentially watching his team get snuffed, was shown as an example of leading from the rear and what not to do. Platoon was also shown for examples of failures of leadership and discipline.

I imagine more recent classes watch SPR, BHD and BOB.

John, regarding Band of Brothers, while certain people - Winters, Compton and Guarnere, especially, and Toye, Malarkey, Lipton and a few others - were, either because of screen time or the actor's portrayals, memorable, far too many other people simply faded into the background unless you were diligent enough to pay attention.

But the larger point for me isn't that you couldn't recognize the individual soldiers, but that they weren't characters. The typical war movie is stocked with the classic stereotypes - the Stone-Cold Killer, the Malingerer, the Wise Guy, the Coward (who usually finds his courage), the Philosopher, etc. While some BOB portrayals come close to these, if only because the actual soldier was kind of like that, most of them fit one stereotype - the Soldier.

For these reasons, "Carentan" is one of the episodes I didn't like as much as others. The narrative arc was too tied to Albert Blithe, and he was essentially portrayed as the Malingerer/Coward, albeit sympathetically. But Blithe not only survived his wound (which was to the shoulder, not the neck), he won a Silver Star in Normandy, returned to the 101st for the Market Garden jump, and stayed in the Army after the war, reaching Master Sergeant and dying on active duty in 1967 of complications of a perforated ulcer.

I'm not trying to create a false dichotomy between war movies focusing on individuals=bad and those focusing on the team=good. I think a movie that works creates a sense of brotherhood, and makes you feel what it is like to lose a brother - Guarnere's and Toye's wounds, or Jamie Smith's death in Black Hawk Down. But Glory worked even though it was heavily focused on individuals and those individuals were somewhat stereotypical - the Old Man (Freeman), the Rebel (Washington), the Intellectual (Braugher), the Farm Boy (?), the Idealist (Broderick). I also liked the TV show, Tour of Duty, at least the first season when they filmed in Hawai'i and had US Army technical assistance.

Posted by: Dave on June 10, 2005 03:26 PM

"I cried at the end of 'the Dirty Dozen.' Jim Brown was throwing these hand grenades down these airshafts. And Richard Jaeckel and Lee Marvin were sitting on top of this armored personnel carrier, dressed up like Nazis... And Trini Lopez... He busted his neck while they were parachuting down behind the Nazi lines... And Richard Jaeckel - at the beginning he had on this shiny helmet... because he was the MP. Oh God! I loved that movie."

Thank you, Nora Ephron. :)

Posted by: The Black Republican on June 10, 2005 03:37 PM

Let's not forget the "father-son relationship" theme; see Field of Dreams, Big Fish.

Posted by: Jacob on June 10, 2005 03:39 PM

Forrest Gump and Lord of the Rings both make me cry, for the same reason: they're about the innocent abroad in a dangerous world--though in the latter case the Hobbits are at least aware of the risk and fighting to save their land. Poor Forrest doesn't even know what's happening to the world around him.

The destruction of innocence makes me cry, in film and especially in real life.

Posted by: See-Dubya on June 10, 2005 03:47 PM

No one's mentioned "To Kill a Mockingbird". The end, when Robert Duvall's character saves those kids after having led a life of utter loneliness gets to me every time. Also when the black folk stand up in respect of Mr. Finch and tell the girl to do so too, " Your father's passin'". That 's strong stuff.

Posted by: John on June 10, 2005 03:56 PM

I'm saving this thread for the next flame war :)

Posted by: BrewFan on June 10, 2005 04:00 PM

Fuck, I tear up at just about everything. I think there's something psychologically wrong with me. I eat a lot of Junior Mints too.

Hell, I get choked up every time I see Heather dying in Connor's arms in Highlander. And that's some bad acting. Of course, Freddy Mercury is singing "Who Wants to Live Forever" and I think about him being dead and that doesn't fucking help.

I cried when I saw The Passion as well.

Jerry McGuire, Forrest Gump.

And if I've been smokin' weed, forget about it.

Posted by: compos mentis on June 10, 2005 04:08 PM

I teach a in-house English class at a large Japanese firm. About every two weeks we'll put a film on Friday to lighten the mood up a bit. Over the last two years I've shown the Dennis Quaid, based-on-a-true story, baseball flick, The Rookie, three times.

If you don't know the story... Jimmy Morris, a former college baseball player who had a chance to get into the majors but never makes it because of a chronic injury. He goes on to become a high-school science teacher / baseball coach in a small Texas farming town. Now in his mid-30s, his team, which has talent but no motivation, is on the verge of being disbanded by the school because of their poor record and lack of supporters. The coach is famous among his students for pitching really well during practices so he uses this as a bet with his team: if they can win the region then he'll go to an upcoming MLB walk-on audition and try to get a slot in the majors.

You can figure out how the story goes from there. But the movie pulls on every man's heart strings in just the right way.

I'm getting choked up now just thinking about the story and typing this. If you want to see a room of 30 and 40 something-old, Japanese salarymen reduced to gushing, tear-stained children there is absolutely nothing more potent than this film.

I dare any of you guys who have ever even just gone to a baseball game to try and watch this film all the way through and not at least feel your eyes watering up once.

Posted by: Ron C on June 10, 2005 05:54 PM

John, if we had a son, I would have argued with my wife to name him "Atticus" (I might even have won).

compos, I don't know about you, but having kids turned me into mush. When I was 20 I only cried if I dropped a brick on my foot.

The two scenes in Apollo 13 that get me as much as the end, when his son asks him about he door "did they fix it?", which was crafted to get to us, and the scenes in the beginning when Grissom, Chaffee and White were killed, probably cause we lived in Canaveral at the time, and dad worked for a NASA subcontractor. First time I remember seeing him cry.

Ok, the one that gets me as much as Old Yeller, From Here to Eternity, when Robert E. Lee Prewitt (Montgomery Clift) plays taps for Maggio. Not bawling blubbery. Just a tear. Tightness in the throat. Same feeling I got when I saw Bill Guarnere and Joe Toye standing in the same place where they both lost a leg 50 years ago.


Posted by: Dave in Texas on June 10, 2005 07:39 PM

"having kids turned me into mush"

Did for me. I nearly teared up at the end of The Incredibles.

Posted by: See-Dubya on June 10, 2005 08:06 PM

Movie crying moment:

That part in Turd-Burgling Anal Nightmare when Pluck Shaftswell pulls out of the trannie shuffleboard instructor so he can jerk off, and then he motions for all his buddies to come over and start jerking off too, but then he shoots his load too early.

That was powerful.

Posted by: Andrew on June 10, 2005 08:33 PM

I didn't see anyone mention Million Dollar Baby. I was in shambles.

Posted by: Tim Higgins on June 10, 2005 09:16 PM

Pickett's charge in Gettysburg gets me. Mainly because it is based on a true story and you are watching how those men simply marched to an almost certain death.

Also the opening salvo of Saving Private Ryan.

And the scene in "The Patriot" (Mel Gibson's one) where the Brits burn the people alive in the church.

Posted by: Mark on June 10, 2005 09:35 PM

he shoots his load too early.

ROFLMAO.

Talk about regret.

Posted by: Michael on June 10, 2005 11:31 PM

Glory is an obvious movie of this type. My favorite character in Glory is the Cary Elwes character - Major Forbes. He doesn't "have" to join the 54th like Shaw (Broderick's character) did. He's going along to support his buddy.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood on June 11, 2005 12:30 AM

I can't cry for chick-flicks, but RoboCop always tears me apart.

Posted by: Pandy on June 11, 2005 01:41 PM

I'm a little late in posting on this topic so it might not be read at all, but I thought this poem seemed appropriate to the discussion. I think I originally saw it over at NRO in one of Jay Nordlinger's Impromptus, so credit goes to him. It moved me enough to save it.

The Burial of Sir John Moore at Corunna

NOT a drum was heard, not a funeral note,
As his corpse to the rampart we hurried:
Not a soldier discharged his farewell shot
O'er the grave where our hero we buried.
We bureid him darkly at dead of night,
The sods with our bayonets turning;
By the struggling moonbeam's misty light
And the lantern dimly burning.
No useless coffin enclosed his breast,
Not in sheet nor in shroud we wound him;
But he lay like a warrior taking his rest,
With his martial cloak around him.
Few and short were the prayers we said,
And we spoke not a word of sorrow;
But we steadfastly gazed on the face of the dead,
And we bitterly thought of the morrow.
We thought, as we hollow'd his narrow bed
And smoothed down his lonely pillow,
That the foe and the stranger would tread o'er his head,
And we far away on the billow!
Lightly they'll talk of the spirit that's gone,
And o'er his ashes upbraid him;
But little he'll reck, if they let him sleep on
In the grave where a Briton has laid him.
But half of our heavy task was done
When the clock struck the hour for retiring,
And we heard the distant and random gun
That the foe was sullenly firing.
Slowly and sadly we laid him down,
From the field of his fame fresh and gory;
We carved not a line, and we raised not a stone,
But we left him alone with his glory.

Posted by: DB on June 11, 2005 08:46 PM
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MacDonald's old partner Adam Egot revealed that MacDonald repurposed a bit with one of his ventriloquist dolls -- that he was a "bad guy" who "didn't believe the Holocaust happened" -- for the Norm MacDonald show, in which he claimed Egot didn't believe in the Holocaust.
Funniest thing I've read about the Virginia mess. Back when they were hustling the referendum through the assembly both Senators, Warner and Kaine, advised them to go slow and play by the rules. Louise Lucas said she respected them but didn't need advice from the "cuck chair" in the corner. The gerrymandering was overturned and Louise is heading for the big house. Edward G. Robinson voice "where's your cuck now?"
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I posted his post on twitter and it's gotten 25K views so far. Thanks, Smell the Glove
Chris
@chriswithans

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"Ahhhhh ahh I put my career on the line for Louise Lucas and Jay Jones thinking they'd vault me into presidential contention and we ended up costing Democrats 20 House seats and unleashing a Reverse Dobbs ahhhhh ahhh"
Forgotten 80s Mystery Click That Sums Up the Democrat Communist Party Today
Something is wrong as I hold you near
Somebody else holds your heart, yeah
You turn to me with your icy tears
And then it's raining, feels like it's raining
"It's f**king f**ked."
-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source"
Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held.
Basil the Great
@BasilTheGreat

🚨ED MILIBAND [a Minister in Starmer's government] SAYS KEIR STARMER WILL RESIGN AS PRIME MINISTER

He has reportedly reassured Labour MP's that Starmer will be resigning following the disastrous results tonight

It's over
"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)
No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.

Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
Annunziata Rees-Mogg
@zatzi
If this continues Labour loses 2,148 seats tonight.

That is much worse than the worst case predictions I’ve seen.

Cataclysmic

Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
The British Patriot
@TheBritLad

🚨 BREAKING: Labour have lost 80% of all seats contested as of 2:25 AM.<
br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

Reform has surged and projected to pick up between 1700-2100 seats.


Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing.
Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult.
Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending.
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges

Reform are basically wiping Labour out in the North. It's not a defeat. It's not even a rout. Labour are simply ceasing to exist.


Nick Lowles
@lowles_nick

Tonight’s results are calamitous for Labour. Not just for Keir Starmer's leadership, but for the very future of the party
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98.
Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years.
Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour
Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45
Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%.
I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens.
REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs.
Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
Media bias and senationalism are as old as, well, the media:
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That was written by Denny O'Neill and illustrated by, get this, Frank Miller. Editor to the Stars Jim Shooter was in charge at the time.
I always thought the gag was original to the comic book, but in fact the "Threat or Menace" headline was a satirical joke about media bias and sensationalism for a long while. The Harvard Lampoon used it in a parody of Life magazine: "Flying Saucers: Threat or Menace?"
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