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February 25, 2005

The Guys Get Shirts...?

Some of my readers have expresed interest in an Ace of Spades HQ t-shirt. I've always wanted to put t-shirts like that out; hell, at this late stage of the game, it's probably the closest I'm going to come to feeling like a member of Led Zeppelin.

Well, except that my editor choked on his own vomit. But I don't like to talk about that much.

I haven't done it before because I couldn't find anyone willing to print color graphics on to dark-gray shirts. The best I could find was some sort of "ash gray," which is code for "sort of dirty speckled off-white, like you ran a t-shirt through the washer with a pack of Marlboro Reds."

But RockNClothing does offer charcoal gray, and they seem to be able to handle somewhat intricate graphics.

They told me "no problem" with getting the sort of shirt I wanted printed up.

So, what I'm thinking is: the death card on the right breast, beneath that Ace of Spades HQ (in red Copperplate, just like in the banner).


I can't promise the logo will be on the breast; for size reasons, they may have to center it.

And maybe-- depending on what you guys think -- the Mencken quote on the back of the shirt in black Garamond (again, just like on the banner). But I don't know if people want a quote with a reference to "slitting throats" on their casual wear. So let me know about that part. I think, unfortunately, half may want the quote and half may not, which will probably mean that the quote won't be included. But I'll have to see what the ratio is.

I don't think I'll include the actual web-address. You know what the address is, and no one who sees your shirt is going to write down a web-address they saw on a t-shirt, anyhow.

Does that sound about what an Ace of Spades t-shirt would look like?

At any rate, the company wants to know the approximate level of interest in the shirt in order to quote a price-- more shirts, less cost. So-- this isn't a firm commitment or anything -- if you'd be so kind, let me know in the comments if you'd want to buy such a shirt. And, if you're thinking of buying more than one, I'd like to know that, too, obviously.

Again, I can't tell you the exact price yet, although the This Fish shirts are going for $13.50, so that should be ballpark. Maybe it'll be a little less if enough guys get shirts. Maybe it'll be a little more because of that intricate death-card. But around that price, I guess.

Sorry to trouble you with this self-dealing mercenary sort of post, but some of you have asked, and so I thought I'd finally see about looking into it seriously.

Quite frankly, I want to do this just so I can have a dumb shirt. And then, you know, for Christmas and birthdays, I'd give out my shirts to my friends and family. And they would hate me for that, but I'd just be giggling my ass off on the way home anyway.

posted by Ace at 03:38 AM
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Sweet.

Maybe the url could be on the front somewhere?

Btw, if you really want money you should get a cut of all the money these comment spammers are making off your PageRank.

Posted by: someone on February 25, 2005 03:42 AM

Ehhh... I already have the name on the front; I don't know if I want "www.aceofspadeshq.com" directly beneath that. That would be sort of redundant.

So maybe on the back, or maybe not at all. This Fish doesn't seem to actually print her web address on the shirt, and that seems sort of a cool way to do it. Because, you know-- who's going to write down a web-address they saw on a t-shirt, anyhow.

Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 03:47 AM

The Twins may be available for modeling. Although if it's a guys shirt I'm not sure if that would improve sales. But then again Dusty seems to be a big fav. on your site :-)

Posted by: Wittysexkitten on February 25, 2005 04:33 AM

Yes to shirt.
Yes to quote.

Posted by: pat h on February 25, 2005 04:37 AM

Sounds good to me.

I like the quote. It's the sort of thing that could provoke conversation.

Posted by: krakatoa on February 25, 2005 04:40 AM

I want a shirt

Posted by: john cassidy on February 25, 2005 06:01 AM

Ace: I was thinking ace.mu.nu -- nice & concise.

Posted by: someone on February 25, 2005 06:22 AM

Count me in for 2 shirts. I want to look tough for my online poker playing. My vote is for the Menken quote. Is it too mercenary for you to have two prices, like: $15.00 for just the shirt, $20.00 if you want to support Ace's site with the $5 overage?

Posted by: RonF on February 25, 2005 07:12 AM

I'd like a shirt but I'm going to wimp out on the Mencken quote. How about 'Where's Joe?" on the back?

Posted by: BrewFan on February 25, 2005 07:22 AM

Yes on the quote, no on the URL, but I won't get a shirt anyway because of shipping reasons.

Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer on February 25, 2005 07:39 AM

I'll take two as soon as I'm back in the US, I'm not paying $100 for a customs broker for t-shirts. Either that or the next time you're coming to Mexico let me know.

Posted by: bullwinkle on February 25, 2005 07:49 AM

Yes to shirt.
Quote on back: "Slicin' like a F'n Hammer"

I'll take two.

Posted by: MikeM on February 25, 2005 07:50 AM

Alternate quote: "More Cowbell"

heh

Posted by: MikeM on February 25, 2005 07:51 AM

I say yes to shirts and yes to Mencken quote, and eh? to the URL.

But, one question, will they come in, er, larger sizes?

Posted by: Geoff on February 25, 2005 08:11 AM

As long as the Ace card looked good I'd certainly buy a shirt or two. :)

Posted by: JaySwash on February 25, 2005 08:22 AM

With Gannon head, or without?

Seriously, sounds like it will be cool, but I don't think I'd get enough use out of one.

Coffee mug, maybe.

Posted by: See-dubya on February 25, 2005 08:28 AM

I don't buy dumb internet gift shirts. I think it's silly to advertise what websites you like, blah blah blah.

But goddammit, I would buy an Ace of Spades shirt. Really, I would. Just like I bought a "Nuke The Moon" shirt back before everybody was doing it.

So:

YES to shirt.
NO to quote. (Keep it understated. I don't want throat-slitting on my shirt. I like the idea of being able to "pass" among liberals whilst still wearing the icon of an egregious right-wing partisan.)

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 25, 2005 08:32 AM

On the other hand, I WOULDN'T mind if "slice like a f'n hammer" was on the back. Or "The guys get shirts." Or "YOU'RE ALL ON FUCKING NOTICE." For some reason I could get past my reservations for those.

No URL by the way.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 25, 2005 08:34 AM

Great idea. Put me down for one. All for having the quote on there too.

Or, as an alternative:

Like a Viking.

Posted by: Jason on February 25, 2005 08:43 AM

Yes to shirt, yes to quote! I hope they'll come in teeny-tiny sizes for us petite girls...you know, so our nips can stand proudly at attention to salute the Ace!

Posted by: Paige on February 25, 2005 08:45 AM

I like the slice like a F-ing hammer quote. I think the quotes could be cute. I dont care for the throat slitting one though, sounds kinda grim.

Posted by: Marty on February 25, 2005 08:56 AM

I like the Menken quote. It would scare the crap out of my liberal friends and confuse the hell out of my conservative friends. Basically, it would irritate everyone I know.

Count me in.

Posted by: Peter on February 25, 2005 08:57 AM

I'd buy the shirt in a heartbeat, and I do like the idea of having the quote on it.

Posted by: Alex_fs on February 25, 2005 09:14 AM

Death card blown up and centered on the back, and your logo on the front over the breast. No URL.

Posted by: Alan on February 25, 2005 09:23 AM

I'd be interested in a shirt. And I vote to have the quote

Posted by: rorochub on February 25, 2005 09:26 AM

YES to shirt
YES to quote

Posted by: RapidTransit on February 25, 2005 09:27 AM

Maybe an Anka-ism in smaller text under your logo, or f'n hammer.

Or is the entire shirt even up for debate? Your idea with an anka-ism or hammer quote would be cool too.

Posted by: Alan on February 25, 2005 09:27 AM

Yes on the shirt.

"Thats Just. The F'n. Way. It. Is." under the logo.

Posted by: Christopher on February 25, 2005 09:32 AM

You can't exactly dust for vomit, now can you?
Yes to shirt, go with Ankaism on back.
I, for one, like to wear shirts with obscure sayings on them.

Posted by: Chris on February 25, 2005 09:33 AM

No to URL.
No to 'slitting throats' quote.
The other quotes are fun but they are so inside that they might end up seeming... geeky. The Ace shirt should never be geeky.

Posted by: lyle on February 25, 2005 09:42 AM

Heck, I am unafraid to wear pro wrestling T-shirts out in public, so I'd have no problem whatsoever with the quote. Definitely count me in for one when they come out.

Posted by: TSL on February 25, 2005 10:01 AM

Yes to shirt. Yes to slitting throats.

Posted by: profcarlisle on February 25, 2005 10:02 AM

I want a shirt and I want the quote.

Posted by: Chad on February 25, 2005 10:06 AM

we all know this is just a way to prop up your pals in the thsirt industry with crazy blog money..and i approve

the death card is a good logo, pass on the URL, do a poll for various quotes....

Posted by: johnny on February 25, 2005 10:06 AM

yes ansd yes

Posted by: dkny on February 25, 2005 10:06 AM

Yes, with Mencken.
For folks who feel squeamish, wear the shirt in proper company. Poker night, anti-demonstrations, walks through major metropolitan areas, and the DNCBS convention.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe on February 25, 2005 10:10 AM

Pro shirt, doubly pro the Mencken quote in general. Although "Like a Viking" has its merits as well.

Posted by: Kerry on February 25, 2005 10:15 AM

The more I think about it, the more this shirt cries out for HOT STEAMING ANKA.

I like the suggestion of "That's Just. The F'n. Way. It Is."

I would love to wear a shirt that said that. That could even be on the front, in a small, classy font beneath the AoS logo.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 25, 2005 10:20 AM

Count me in for a few (3 probably). I'm 100% down for the Mencken quote anywhere on it - the back would be badass.

Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 10:35 AM

I kind of like T-shirts with pockets.

No to the Mencken quote.

Any other quote is just dandy.

Posted by: Man of Substance on February 25, 2005 10:37 AM

Logos go over the left man-titty. Just like pockets. And I've been seeing a lot of corporate golf shirts with the URL on the back, just under the collar.

Posted by: Phil Smith on February 25, 2005 11:03 AM

Yes to quote
Get long sleeve too, up to XXL. (not an athletic crowd you got here, Ace)
I'd buy a 4t for my son too...but thats just me...

Posted by: bud tugley on February 25, 2005 11:13 AM

Yes to 5 shirts.
Yes to logo, name of site and quote.
No to URL.

The order will be placed as soon as they're ready.
Hell, count me in for 10. No shit.

As the man said in the Capra classic, "You Can't Take It with You."

Posted by: KCTrio on February 25, 2005 11:32 AM

Just read the comments - almost any of the Anka quotes would go just as well, if not better, than the Mencken thing. IMNSHO. :)

Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 11:33 AM

"The Guys Get Shirts." Sexist, I admit, but it works for me as a T-shirt logo.

And call me paranoid, but how do we know that your editor choked on *his own* vomit?

Posted by: utron on February 25, 2005 11:34 AM

Shirt + Quote = Happy Customer

Posted by: Dandon on February 25, 2005 11:45 AM

Long sleeves, please?

Otherwise, I end up with a really embarassing burn-line.

Posted by: Dianna on February 25, 2005 11:48 AM

utron,

yuckkkkk!

Posted by: BrewFan on February 25, 2005 11:53 AM

Slicing like a f'ing hammer would be incredible. You're all on fucking notice would work for me too.

Posted by: TO'D on February 25, 2005 12:07 PM

I'd buy one. The only problem I have with the quote is that people might think it's in reference to the religion of beheadings...which isn't something I care to be associated with.

Posted by: JimF on February 25, 2005 12:12 PM

...oh, and so my vote would be with "You're all on fucking notice."

Posted by: JimF on February 25, 2005 12:13 PM

Obviously yes to the shirt. I bought a 72 Virgins Dating Service shirt, so I'll buy an AoS HQ t-shirt.(if it's less than 20 bucks)


I'd say yes to the quote on the back, but I also think Alan had a great (better) idea with the (nonGannon) Death Card on the back, BIG. That would be mach (as in macho)

A little AoS logo on the front (no url, that's a bit dorky)

Posted by: hobgoblin on February 25, 2005 12:26 PM

how about boxers with the quote "Loose Shit" on the back?

ok i took that too far

Posted by: johnny on February 25, 2005 12:30 PM

Put me down for 3.
The meaner the quote, the better I'll like it.

Posted by: blakjack on February 25, 2005 12:43 PM

Ace,

Sorry to be late on this, I've actually been working this week.

Yes to shirts.

Way yes.

Logo is in the center or left breast.

That's just the fuckin' way it is.

How about, multiple versions of the quote?

"The guys get shirts!"

"More Cowbell!"

"Where's Joe?"

"Like a Viking"

etc.

Also, Maybe Allah could do the graphics?

I've bought his shirts.

I'll buy yours.

Three Words.

Crazy.

Blog.

Money.

Posted by: MeTooThen on February 25, 2005 12:58 PM

yes to shirt and quote

Posted by: Mike on February 25, 2005 01:31 PM

Hey Jim,

...oh, and so my vote would be with "You're all on fucking notice."
Couldn't that be construed as a terrorist message? Something like "You're all on notice.... that I'm gonna blow this bitch up"

/sarcasm

Quit it with the holier than thou pedantics. ;)

Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 01:49 PM

Don't pull a shirt idea b/c it's not PC, or "geeky". Every single one of us is some sort of geek - we read (and comment on!) blogs. The phrase "I need more cowbell" makes us giggle uncontrollably, as does "Loose shit". We write haiku's about Paul Anka fer chrissake. Get over the "geek" stigma people. :) As for slitting throats - shit, I'd be more than happy to slit a few terrorist throats. Ef em.

Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 01:52 PM

It has nothing to do with being "holier than thou." It has to do with not wanting to look like some douchebag at a pro-palestinian rally...well from behind at least.

Posted by: JimF on February 25, 2005 01:59 PM

Yes to shirt with quote.
No to shirt without quote.

Without the quote, it's just a shirt - got a closet full.
With the quote it is a statement.

Posted by: EbeneezerSquid on February 25, 2005 02:10 PM

Yes. Yes.

Posted by: Rocketeer67 on February 25, 2005 02:12 PM

fat kid,

there's a difference btw being geeky and being just plain aethetically crappy.

a url isn't going to do any good except advertise the shirt as impossible dorkitude.

Ace of Spades HQ logo in the front (centered or left breast) and HUGE fucking Death Card on the back.

THAT's my vote, and I'm sticking to it

Posted by: hobgoblin on February 25, 2005 02:13 PM

Yes to shirt
No to quote
No to url

Keep it simple.

Posted by: on February 25, 2005 02:25 PM

whoops, that was me

Posted by: lauraw on February 25, 2005 02:26 PM

Yes to shirt.
Yes to quote(s).
No to URL.

Reason for "no": URLs can change.

Workaround for multiple quotes:
Do the "main" shirt through RockNClothing.
Do alternate quotes though Cafe Press.
(I think the "ash gray" shirt they offer is very nice, but that's me.)

Posted by: The Claw on February 25, 2005 02:44 PM

Thanks for the input, everyone!

I am thinking about maybe just the card on the back or something, but shouldn't it really be on the front?

The Claw's suggestion about doing alternate shirts on Cafe Press is something I was just considering, but the trouble is, those shirts would be white or "ash gray," which looks nothing at all like the gray from the site.

But maybe I'll so some unofficial shirts like that on Cafe Press anyway, just in case someone wants a "Slice Like a Fuckin' Hammer" shirt (or slice like an f'n' hammer, or just slice like a hammer, for those who don't want profanity... I think Cafe Press allows a lot of variants).

Still, while that could be a cool thing, the shirts wouldn't really be that cool charcoal gray I was hoping for.

Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 02:49 PM

I think it would also be cool to put the cowbell guy on the sleeve or on the back. Who is that guy anyway, drummer from the Band?

Posted by: kaos on February 25, 2005 02:52 PM

thats Gene, now back off and let him explore the studio space

Posted by: THE Bruce Dickinson on February 25, 2005 02:56 PM

Kaos,

Scan down far in the sidebar to "Frequently Asked questions." Click on "What is the Deal with the Cowbell?" That explains everything.

Long story short, it's will ferrel from SNL in a classic sketch about Blue Oyster Cult.

Thanks for setting him straight, THE Bruce Dickinson.

Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 02:57 PM

Hey, in case the throat slitting gets shot down, I'd like to see "You're all on fucking notice." in it's place. On the back.

Don't care so much for the gigantic card graphic on the back idea. Belongs on the front, preferably over the left breast, IMHO.

Posted by: Jason on February 25, 2005 03:13 PM

See, that's what I think.

First, if it's on the back, it will be very large, and I think it would be doubly wrong: 1, because you don't really see it much, but 2, when you do see it, it would be obtrusively ginormous.

OTOH, if it's just on the breast, it's going to be pretty small.

Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 03:17 PM

really should it be a tshirt at all? i mean, does wearing a tshirt show integrity, and conscious? think about it

Posted by: johnny on February 25, 2005 03:27 PM

Ummm... well, actual "shirts" would be the blouse-like 1970's Vegas wear that Man of Substance described.

Do you like your blouses? Well do you?


Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 03:28 PM

just making sure you get full value on your money

(put me down for 1 no matter what, ive had a good laugh with these comments)

Posted by: johnny on February 25, 2005 03:31 PM

Ace,

I'm a big fan of the old Lollapalooza shirts from the Rollins Band that had teh HUGS "SEARCH & DESTROY" Sun logo on the back. I like a Big, evil image on the backs of my shirts.

But that's just b/c I'm evil.

Posted by: hobgoblin on February 25, 2005 03:37 PM

HUGS=HUGE

oh, fuckl it. I can't type

Posted by: hobgoblin on February 25, 2005 03:39 PM

Yes to shirt with little logo on front, no url. The gigundo death card on the back is a bit much.

And yes to some quote. I like the Menken quote, because I think it aptly describes your approach when you get serious about politics: stop pansying around and git it done. It's very "ace". But that would make it a "certain situations only" shirt, so that's a toss up.

Anka-isms work too, but leaving the back blank altogether is too generic. There's a gazillion great one-liners from this site, pick one or do a poll from your readers. The more "inside-baseball" it is, the better, this is Ace o Spades not Old Navy.

My $0.02.

Posted by: francisthegreat on February 25, 2005 03:55 PM

You need one with a screenshot of Microsoft Word with the TANG Memo text on the back.

Posted by: Eric Pobirs on February 25, 2005 04:17 PM

I like it, Ace. I don't believe a lot of people would have a problem with the reference to slitting throats. Having the logo over the breat is also a fine idea.
Regarding shirt color, I always kinda figured that if you were to do a shirt, it'd look somewhat like your site, white with red lettering and the Menken quote in black on the back. But overall, I like it and would certainly be interested in picking up a shirt ir two.

AkRonin

Posted by: AkRonin on February 25, 2005 05:30 PM

yes to shirt
yes to slittling throats quote.

Posted by: billy on February 25, 2005 05:40 PM

I'll take a couple.

But you have to have the url under the skull or whatever. Marketing, dude. People who like it will see where to get one.

--card---
AceOfSpadesHQ.com

or

--Prolegomena To A Theory Of Everything--
AceOfSpadesHQ.com

Or whatever. I don't get why people don't want the URL. How else will they grok?

Ooh, that's a good one:

--Grok The Schlock--
AceOfSpadesHQ.com

Posted by: rdbrewer on February 25, 2005 06:26 PM

YES to shirt (without profanity; I want to wear it at work)

YES to Mencken quote.

YES to URL (What the heck's the point of a website-related short WITHOUT the site's URL?)

YES to some other site-related quote on the opposite side, in huge letters:
"LIKE A VIKING"
"YOU'RE ALL ON NOTICE"
"SLICIN' LIKE A HAMMER"

The Mencken Quote is the site's motto... but the "other" quote is useful to draw in the curious-folk who read the shirt. Great conversation-starter with the uninitiated. It's all about blog-hits, baby...

(I do Adobe Illustrator work, dude. You need graphics drawn, I may be able to help.)

Posted by: SCI-FI on February 25, 2005 08:59 PM

I'm in for at least 5.

Unless there's a word I can't let my daughters wear on it.

Where's Joe?

Posted by: Dave in Texas on February 25, 2005 11:34 PM

gimme 3.

and ace? don't get all politically correct NOW. you stuck to your principles at the cost of crazy blogad money. now stick to your principles and put the mencken quote on the shirt.

i'd buy a "slice like a fuckin' hammer" shirt too. talk about a conversation starter.

and put the url on there somewhere. tastefully.

YOU DA MAN!

Posted by: jb on February 26, 2005 12:30 PM

"Slicin' like an f'n hammer" would work. And it's cryptic enough to draw attention, interest.

But my fave is "Where's Joe?" It's the zen factor.

NO to the Mencken quote. Too many nuts and ignorati. Heap no grok.

Posted by: rdbrewer on February 26, 2005 08:32 PM
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STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98.
Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years.
Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour
Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45
Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%.
I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens.
REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs.
Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
Media bias and senationalism are as old as, well, the media:
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That was written by Denny O'Neill and illustrated by, get this, Frank Miller. Editor to the Stars Jim Shooter was in charge at the time.
I always thought the gag was original to the comic book, but in fact the "Threat or Menace" headline was a satirical joke about media bias and sensationalism for a long while. The Harvard Lampoon used it in a parody of Life magazine: "Flying Saucers: Threat or Menace?"
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