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February 21, 2005

The Rathergate Forgeries: What If They Had Been Competently Forged?

I asked this question a long time ago, and concluded:

There is no fact-checking for anti-Republican hit pieces.

This particular forgery got exposed because it was sooooo amateurishly and ineptly done. Only because this forgery was so laughably crude did it get discovered.

But imagine if it had been a better job. And imagine if it had been something really damning about Bush. Still 100% false, and still coming from shady characters and the slimy undergrowth of the DNC, but competently-crafted forgeries.

The mainstream media would be running with the story. They would be running it 24/7. It's would be the focus of every press conference; it would be mentioned every night on the news, even via strained connections to reports having little to do with the "scandal" (as echoes of Abu Ghraib were seen by the press in practically every other political story).

We got lucky on this one guys. True, we had guys like Bill from INDC and LGF and the Powerline guys and those first Freepers who asked questions doing a man's job. But we were lucky that these "documents" were so transparently fraudulent.

I also quoted a story, running contemporaneously with the exposure of the forgeries, which admitted in passing the documents may be fraudulent but then demanded to know why the White House hadn't released these documents.

Consider that-- even as a reporter admits the documents are possibly forged, he demands to know why the White House did not release these "records."

So that should tip you off as to the MSM's reaction to competently forged documents.

Beldar Blog asks the question again, and spies through a crystal ball into an alternate future:

The absence of the documents from "official" records, plus the doubting opinions of near-witnesses, by themselves wouldn't have convinced many folks that there was a genuine question of the documents having been forged. CBS News might well have been able to continue to stonewall on the identity of its "reliable source" at least until after the election. (For a course syllabus in "Brazen-but-Effective Stonewalling 101," consult the John Kerry Military Academy; see also the Miller-Cooper Institute for Self-Righteous Journalists Concealing Sources' Identities on "Principle.")

Would this scenario have swung the election? I can see it swinging maybe one percentage point of the total vote. I have no reason to think that, for example, it would have swung a disproportionate number of Ohio voters, but a one percent swing there could have made things Florida-2000 tight. My gut tells me that it still wouldn't have changed the election's outcome, and that one percent is an overgenerous guestimate. But it might well have undercut the basis on which Dubya has been able to claim having a broad mandate, however, with resulting significant weakness in his second term.

Scary.

And the media wonders why we both fear and disdain them.

It's because they are just as powerful as they so smugly assume they are. And that they aren't particularly scrupulous about using that power.


posted by Ace at 10:47 PM
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An old saw: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This explains the MSM's attitude toward the truth (or anything they deem close to it).

Posted by: Carlos on February 21, 2005 11:18 PM

I agree that it is scary to think about the consequences if the forgeries had been better, but I don't think it would have made a difference in the election because most voters already had been pursuaded by the media that Bush had dodged his TANG duties. I just don't think people considered it a relevant issue since it was 30 years ago and since Bush was not running on his national guard service. What is scary to me is all the stories in which similar shenanigans may have been pulled that we never found out about.

Posted by: Lorie on February 21, 2005 11:26 PM

The CBS frauds have to be punished. Everyone learns from the example of CBS that even these incompetents get by with nothing worse than loss of status or the necessity to find a new job. Rather, Mapes, and their less well-known associates should be made an arresting example that will stupefy the left.

Posted by: Stilgar on February 22, 2005 02:34 AM

The conspiracy theorist in me keeps think the ineptness was no accident...

There's got to be some sharp republican tricksters who knew about Burkett, and knew he'd be willing to toss a Lego grenade without examining it too closely to see that it was a Lego rather than the real thing.

The bonus is that bungling Bill forwarded the Logo grenade to an equally inept "high value target".

Posted by: TonyI on February 22, 2005 03:48 AM
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