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February 14, 2005
The Indecorous Ace Agrees With the Decorous InstapunditFirst of all, thanks for the link, Insty. Can't quibble with your calling me indecorous. Kaus and Reynolds are having a bit of dispute about the relevance of certain personal revelations about Eason Jordan, briefly reported by, before being edited out of, Howard Kurtz' latest column on the contretemps. I was tipped to this earlier but I never mentioned it because I didn't think it was relevant. But everyone knows by now, so here goes: Kurtz reported that one of the reasons CNN had soured on Jordan was due to his alleged affair with the widow of murdered journalist Daniel Pearl. Kaus thinks this is relevant and should be reported. Instapundit doesn't. I don't think it should be reported, either. Kaus spins a list of reasons for the gossip's relevance. I find them unconvincing. The trouble is that any half-smart guy can spin a claim as to why a possibly embarrassing personal tidbit -- gambling, porn, an affair, homosexuality, etc. -- is somehow "relevant" to one's work or public life. If you're a conservative, any such failing is ostensibly relevant because it demonstrates hypocrisy. After all, you support the idea of objective moral values. If you're a liberal, any such embarrassing information can be claimed as "relevant" because it demonstrates that liberals just don't support the idea of an objective morality. Or that it somehow impacts your work. Or your agenda. Or your worldview. Or whatever. Kaus' argument, as they say, proves too much. By the low threshold of "relevance" he proposes, pretty much any dirty laundry on anyone at all is fair game for reportage. I don't think so. Chief Justice Warren Burger suggested (in dicta, I think) that pornography was to be evaluated on a sliding scale -- the more artistic and technical merit a work might have, he reasoned, the more likely that work should be found to be non-obscene. The liberals on the court proposed a more Kaus-like standard-- any artistic or technical merit, no matter how trivial, should be enough to save porn from being branded obscene. I agreed with Burger then as an intellectual matter (though I guess I'm happy the liberals seem to have won), and I agree with that general analysis when it comes to stuff like this. The standard ought not to be whether a tidbit has any arguable relevance to a story or to public policy or whatnot. The standard really should be more of a sliding scale-- the more personal and embarrassing the information, the greater the actual and direct relevance should be if you're going to report it. Nasty gossip that just hurts people may be "news" in the sense that it is interesting and informative, but it's not "news" in the more restrictive sense that it actually has relevance to an important event or public debate. Kaus argues that as this embarrassing information may have had something to do with Eason Jordan's firing, we really all have a right to know about it, and bloggers (and straight reporters) have an obligation to tell us about it. I think that's just silly. These claims of "relevance" are just a pretext for justifying the reportage of juicy, sexy, somewhat-interesting dirt. Back when Andrew Sullivan was an ideological ally (of sorts), I thought it was just vicious that details of his sexual inclinations were published by left-wing smear merchants just because... well, just because they didn't like him, I guess, and that they could claim "relevance" by comparing his actual behavior to his writings about the need for a reduction in male homosexual promiscuity. The fact that he's now an ideological foe doesn't really change my opinion on that. I still think it was rotten and vicious to embarass him by revealing that sort of information on the flimsiest pretext of "hypocrisy." (Disclosure: A couple of times, early in this blog's life and in a pique of nastiness I'm not proud of, I referenced this same sort of stuff. I shouldn't have.) The same crap is going on right now with Jeff Gannon, or as I call him, the real-life Batman, as some leftist douchebag bloggers are promising some sort of juicy disclosures about his personal life. Well-- so what? If Jeff Gannon is a hack who shouldn't have been given press credentials, that can be proven by quoting his questions and questioning his qualifications. What the hell does his personal life have to do with the issue? Mickey Kaus could probably spin us all a theory as to how it's all (marginally) relevant. But we're not just gossips and commenters and reporters; we're also, supposedly, human beings. And as a human being, I just can't justifying trashing someone so thoroughly, and personally, on such slender reeds of "relevance." Eason Jordan made viciously anti-military and anti-American slanders at a panel discussion before a foreign audience, including many Arabs and Muslims all to willing to believe such nonsense. That's the story. Not that he may be guilty of a sin that, let's face, probably half of the people in the media (if not America) have indulged in at one time or another. Our Hero Is Gravely Wounded Update: Celluloid Wisdom reports what the lefties are claiming about the man who once donated a kidney to save my life (not his own kidney, mind you, but some kidney he carved out of a sleeping homeless man-- he's just that cool of a guy, and a master of the stealthy scalpel). Make sure you just read their sites, and not the nasty leftoids they link too. They really ought not get traffic for this sort of crap. posted by Ace at 03:06 PM
CommentsThat "other places" link used to go to my site. Wonder who I offended. Posted by: Jeff G on February 14, 2005 03:12 PM
exactly Posted by: capt joe on February 14, 2005 03:15 PM
Oh. And I agree with your analysis here. Excellent. Posted by: Jeff G on February 14, 2005 03:19 PM
good post once again the party of "tolerance" shows its true colors Posted by: johnny on February 14, 2005 03:44 PM
I think if you're going to do a legal-like analysis it ought to use evidentiary standards not decency standards. They're more relavent if less fun to discuss. The question is whether the probative value is outweighed the prejudicial nature of the testimony. Or put differently, does it tell you more about whatever it is intended to tell us about or does it just hurt the target somehow? And all of the things you listed ("gambling, porn, an affair, homosexuality, etc.") surely tell us very little about Eason Jordan's ability to perform his job but instead are designed to humiliate him or damage his reputation so we, the viewing public, judge him by those actions instead of his comments. And the great news for CNN is that talking about other stuff allows the network to distract us from what he really said. And what is actually important. So we should stand against the Kausian "anything goes" standard because it allows the MSM to distract us with one hand while performing the liberal "magic" with the other. If you take my meaning. Posted by: Birkel on February 14, 2005 03:49 PM
The only hint of a "scandal" I see in all of this is the unproven allegation of some involvement in the Plame leak. But until any actual evidence surfaces (which is unlikely, since the charge is almost certainly false), there's no story, and spreading gossip about this man's personal life, seedy though it may be, is not only irrelevant, it's just plain mean. I don't care that he got a day pass to White House press briefings. They should give those out to as many reporters as they can fit in the room; the whole point of a press briefing is to keep the public informed. It shouldn't be an exclusive event. They should allow journalists from al-Jazeera, Weekly World News, whatever. Even (gasp!) gay reporters should be let in. Why should I care who gets to ask the president a question? I'd like to ask him a few, myself. Posted by: SJKevin on February 14, 2005 03:52 PM
speaking of ad hominem, I just put up a post detailing some on the lefts unwillingness to throw with the liberalbloggerstalker gate scandal... http://labormonkey.blogspot.com/2005/02/lib-bloggers-run-from-stalkergate.html
Posted by: ether on February 14, 2005 03:54 PM
"...the man ho once donated a kidney..." Boy, I hope that was a typo! ;) Posted by: Pat Curley on February 14, 2005 04:00 PM
Holy bat crap on duck. Ace throws a kidney joke out, but WE'VE got "Ask Jeff Gannon" the hottest new advice column from your friends at musings of a fat kid. Posted by: Dave@fat kid's on February 14, 2005 04:10 PM
Great post. Posted by: Phil on February 14, 2005 04:11 PM
I'm crying right now. How could anyone be so . . . so . . . mean spirited as to pick on a courageous man's sexual preferences? Oh, you mean people who are "on his team" are doing it? Oh. (sniffle) Then I guess it's OK. Hypocrisy thy name is Leftism. Posted by: hobgolbin on February 14, 2005 04:17 PM
"Indecorous"?! what a pussy. He jealous that Ace actually bagged Blossom is all, that and that all the discerning blog readers are here. Posted by: Iblis on February 14, 2005 04:18 PM
Hey! I clicked that link earlier and it went to Protein Wisdom! Posted by: Karol on February 14, 2005 04:19 PM
LOL, yeah Karol, that's strange. I saw that link to Protein Wisdom earlier in the day as well. Excellent take on Jordan today, Ace. Posted by: Rob on February 14, 2005 04:30 PM
But Ace, isn't it odd someone who dates Pearl's widown would accuse Americans of targeting journalists? I think that's a legitimate question. Posted by: TO'D on February 14, 2005 04:40 PM
That does it! I'm changing my name AGAIN! Please refer to me now only as Da Gannon. Thank you. Posted by: Da Gannon on February 14, 2005 04:46 PM
Happy Valentines Day, Ace! I dreamt of dipping you in batter again last night. We really have to stop meeting like this in my dreams. You coy, indecorous, scamp you. All my love, Ollie Posted by: Oliver "Pitching a Tent" W. on February 14, 2005 04:51 PM
The message from "Ollie" was about as close to a written photoshop as I've ever seen. To much weirdness, to small a space. Ace's really IS turning into a right wing Fark. Posted by: hobgoblin on February 14, 2005 05:01 PM
Ace, The reports of the alleged relationship between Mr. Jordan and Mrs. Pearl have been known, and quite public for some time. As to whether or not they were widely known is a different question. As to what value (in terms of weight or importance) those reports would have on the real or perceived perception on the remarks attributed to Mr. Jordan seems to me to be besides the point. Nothing could mitigate the impact of the videotape. Pure and simple. If this was not the case, the videotape would have been made public to exonerate Mr. Jordan. As to the invasion of privacy charge, your points are well taken. But again, I think Mr. Kaus is way off the mark. It's the videotape, stupid. Posted by: MeTooThen on February 14, 2005 05:14 PM
It's really sad that this stuff is brought up at all. Every time I hear things like that I think to myself, "Huh. Weird. Non sequitur." The fact that some are saying that that would be the reason for the firing is really pathetic. I'd much rath er that the firing be for making unsubstatiated allegations of War Crimes against the American Armed Services, or being a lap dog for Saddam's regime. Posted by: brian on February 14, 2005 05:21 PM
oops, meant to say "Rather" Posted by: brian on February 14, 2005 05:24 PM
Feh. Had a big long comment - which can be summed up with a brief quote: "You don't argue with stupid"Fatty McOne-More-Cheeseburger, that means you. Posted by: fat kid on February 14, 2005 05:47 PM
Well I think it is time for all of us rightwing bloggers to have a SEXUAL OUTING day. Let's just get it over with before the leftie bloggers get to us. Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on February 14, 2005 06:48 PM
Okay Rightwingsparkle, I'll volunteer to go first on this sexual outing idea of yours. I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body! :) Posted by: Opinionated Vogon on February 14, 2005 06:57 PM
All I have to say is that you and I are in complete agreement about how this is nothing more than gossip-mongering and bad ethics. They're picking on someone to feel better about themselves, and it's a behavior that they just can't break themselves from. I posted my own thoughts about this whole thing on my own blog. /plug Keep up the good fight, Ace! Posted by: CollegePundit on February 14, 2005 07:31 PM
Opioninated Vogon, ok, as long as you don't have a mullet...;-) Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on February 14, 2005 07:32 PM
The scandle is Eason Jordan slandering our Military. Nothing else. Where are the tapes! Posted by: Ledger1 on February 14, 2005 07:36 PM
I agree, but there are circumstances where such "private" matters ought to be reported, such as when a powerful man uses his intern as a sex toy. Jordan didn't get hounded out of his job, and this wasn't a lynching. He had every opportunity to release the video and apologize. But his refusal to talk to anybody about his remark made it fester, and made people wonder about it more and check out his history of foot-in-mouth disease. It's ironic how journalists are circling the wagons and stonewalling this just as if they were powerful politicians being hounded by the press. Posted by: AST on February 15, 2005 02:58 AM
Yo ACE, how come if I use the word sex I get bumped and you don't? (as in "details of his sexual inclinations"). This is an outrage and proves what hyocrites bloggers really are. I am consulting my lawyer. Posted by: 72VIRGINS on February 15, 2005 10:07 AM
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Funniest thing I've read about the Virginia mess. Back when they were hustling the referendum through the assembly both Senators, Warner and Kaine, advised them to go slow and play by the rules. Louise Lucas said she respected them but didn't need advice from the "cuck chair" in the corner. The gerrymandering was overturned and Louise is heading for the big house. Edward G. Robinson voice "where's your cuck now?" I posted his post on twitter and it's gotten 25K views so far. Thanks, Smell the Glove Chris
Forgotten 80s Mystery Click That Sums Up the Democrat Communist Party Today
Something is wrong as I hold you near Somebody else holds your heart, yeah You turn to me with your icy tears And then it's raining, feels like it's raining
"It's f**king f**ked."
-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source" Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held. Basil the Great
"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
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No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.
Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
Annunziata Rees-Mogg Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
The British Patriot Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing. Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult. Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending. (((Dan Hodges))) Nick Lowles
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98. Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years. Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45 Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%. I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens. REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs. Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
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