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January 11, 2005
Bring the Boys Back Home?It's too early to call for this yet; but it's not really too early to debate what should be done, if the nearly-inevitable begins to happen. I'm talking about the very real possibility of radical Muslim psychopaths targeting our soldiers and aid-workers conducting tsunami relief, especially in the Aceh province. What then? I don't want to sound cold-hearted, but if that does happen, I say: Pull out. Immediately. There is a limit to American generosity. And if it should happen that an aid worker or soldier is captured and held for ransom as he or she is attempting to rebuild these ravaged lands, that's enough for me. We tried. Trying satisfies me. posted by Ace at 03:34 PM
CommentsSo far, just a few arrows. But if it does happen, we will NOT hear calls to bring them home. No, what we'll hear is how we've been insufficiently sensitive in how we delivered the aid, such as giving it directly to a starving, unveiled woman rather than her fat husband. Posted by: TallDave on January 11, 2005 03:45 PM
Ace: I agree with you - but can we bring our military and aid workers home from Iraq at the same time and for the same reason? Steve More at thoughtsonline... Posted by: steve sturm on January 11, 2005 03:54 PM
That's a great question stevesturm. Posted by: Ryan on January 11, 2005 04:06 PM
I completely agree with Tall Dave. You'll never hear the MSM saying we should pull out. It's only when the U.S. uses its military force to act in its own interest that the MSM goes on about quagmires. Posted by: Zelda on January 11, 2005 04:12 PM
If it does happen, we should move our forces to countries that don't attack us. After we take everything back. Let the MSM deliver aid to the terrorists. They're doing it now anyway. Posted by: Iblis on January 11, 2005 04:25 PM
Ace, Disagree with you on this one. The terrorists don't get to dictate our actions in war or peace. They don't want us there helping the folks in need and demonstrating our compassion? That is reason enough to redouble our efforts militarily and charitably. Posted by: Max Power on January 11, 2005 04:35 PM
I don't know. I get tired of it. I get tired of their idea that they can kill us and butcher us and that there will never be consequences. I think bugging out would demonstrate that we are not patsies, and that there are consequences for barbaric behavior. Posted by: ace on January 11, 2005 04:44 PM
We can't let terrorists dictate our aid policies, but at what point do we say enough is enough? We can't go on indefinately taking casualties to give aid to people who won't even protect us or themselves, but if we pull out who pulls in, the terrorists? This is indeed a tough call ACE. Posted by: 72VIRGINS on January 11, 2005 05:10 PM
I admit it. Sometimes I fantasize about isolationism. Posted by: julie on January 11, 2005 05:33 PM
The lesson of Somalia must also be remembered. In 1998 OBL said in an interview that because of Somalia that: "our boys ... realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger ... after a few blows [the US] rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace, dragging the bodies of its soldiers." But in the end, if we can't protect our people, and they can't protect our people, we can't go on forever letting them kill us, either. As always, it comes down to how many casualties are we willing to bear to acheive our ends. Posted by: 72VIRGINS on January 11, 2005 05:45 PM
Steve Sturm and Ryan, We cannot pull troops and aid workers out of Iraq for the same reasons, because they are there for different reasons. In the case of the tsunami, we didn't cause the problem, we are just trying to fix it. If the locals don't want us there, then they don't want us there. The reason for leaving would be lack of gratitude. In the case of Iraq, we did cause the big problem (i.e. removal of a government). The reason for leaving would be the admission of failure and/or cowardice. Also, pulling out of S.E. Asia would not leave the place worse than we found it. Posted by: Sobek on January 11, 2005 07:45 PM
It's worse than it looks in Aceh. The Indonesian military, which is supposed to be protecting the unarmed aid workers, has ties to some of the Islamist groups that are threatening the workers. Posted by: Rant Wraith on January 11, 2005 08:16 PM
Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn? Posted by: senator philabuster on January 11, 2005 08:28 PM
Remember how she said that Posted by: JD on January 11, 2005 09:19 PM
If Islamofascists attack our military and aid workers in SE Asia, we would have every right to pull out and move to an area where such help is appreciated. The difference in Iraq is that it is a location of our choice, not their's. The fascists are free to attack us anywhere but have chosen to take the battle to us in Iraq. So much the better, better than on our shores (which they have already breached multiple times and will undoubtedly breach again). The point is, as long as we can keep them busy elsewhere, and can make progress in rendering them as harmless as can be, we will still hold the higher moral ground (Allah notwithstanding). I don't see them, however, as taking hostages for ransom. Expect to see odious, hideous and outrageous murders in the next few weeks as their brand of mercy takes hold and shows compassion for the weak and needy. Posted by: Carlos on January 11, 2005 11:45 PM
Vera! Vera! What has become of you? Gotta love Roger.. Posted by: Buddy on January 12, 2005 09:59 AM
I'm with you Ace. Mainly I imagine my little brother (now a Marine), being killed by people he was trying to feed. Fuck that noise. Posted by: lauraw on January 12, 2005 10:07 AM
If we start taking casualties and can't protect our people and they won't either, we should get out fast. And we should pull out before it turns into another drawn out media-circus like Somalia. After all, the mission is not that important to us anyway. Posted by: 72VIRGINS on January 12, 2005 11:47 AM
Two things come out quite clearly here: 1) All dark-skinned people are terrorists who will cut off their noses to spite their faces and 2) The US will only help those who universally show an adequate level of praise and gratitude. Don't your high 'moral values' dictate that aid should be given to those in need without seeking praise or reward for your actions? Posted by: Adamant on January 12, 2005 02:00 PM
Who cares about gratitude? We're not talking about ingratitude, we're talking about murdering our aid-providers. Listen, if you're starving and I bring you groceries, just keeping you alive is gratitude enogh for me, I don't care if you thank me or not. But don't take the groceries and then shoot me in the back, 'K?? Oh and keep up the race-baiting. We need another win in '08! Posted by: lauraw on January 12, 2005 03:37 PM
Actually, Sobek (above) WAS talking about gratitude, OK. Take a look. Again - which recipient of aid has been shooting? You accuse me of race baiting but the attitude shown here is S.E. Asian = Moslem = terrorist. Why else are you all equating aid recipients with terrorists? Posted by: Adamant on January 12, 2005 04:00 PM
Adamant says, "You accuse me of race baiting but the attitude shown here is S.E. Asian = Moslem = terrorist." You seem confused. Our problem is with radical Islam, not skin color. It was said before, but I'll say it again: keep up the race baiting, we'll get another win in '08. Posted by: likwidshoe on January 17, 2005 03:32 AM
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