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November 02, 2004

EXIT POLLS: BUSH LEADS OHIO 49-4 Kerry ahead by four, damn it all


Is this real? Is this accurate?

Maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball-bearings these days.*

* Ohio = ball-bearings.

AWFUL UPDATE: It's not accurate. Multiple sources say Kerry is up by 4.

Thanks to Barry N. Johnson for this perfectly terrible news.

Guam? What does this mean? Does Guam even get an electoral vote, even as part of the non-state terroritories?

Do they routinely vote Republican 2 to 1? I need information to make sense of this completely unexpected bit of news.

Asked and Answered: Readers say it's because of all the military folks based there. 2 to 1 sounds kinda normal to one reader, but maybe it's a good sign anyway.

John Zogby Depressed?!?: Didn't see it, but Freepers say John Zogby's in a pissy mood, and says Florida moving to Bush, Colorado to Kerry (?), and Pennsylvania dead even.

Guys-- Bush can't lose with both Florida and Ohio.

(Almost.)

Caution! Lasttango is a real buzzkill: If that's data from GOP-dominated areas then it doesn't say anything about the state. In the early going, only a limited number of exit-polling stations might have reported.


posted by Ace at 01:42 PM
Comments



I need Kim Richards to make sense of this bit of news.

Now your quoting Fletch, too? Tierra del Fuego, wanker.

Posted by: See-dub on November 2, 2004 01:48 PM

Bush ain't losing!
Period.

Posted by: kdeweb on November 2, 2004 01:51 PM

Big military airbase on Guam. There's your GOP vote.

Posted by: Moonbat_One on November 2, 2004 01:51 PM

If that's data from GOP-dominated areas then it doesn't say anything about the state. In the early going, only a limited number of exit-polling stations might have reported.

Posted by: Lastango on November 2, 2004 01:52 PM

Guam residents do routinely vote Republican because most are associated with the military on the island. Two to one???? Don't think it is usually that high, but not unreasonable.

Bottom line. Not really definitive yet.

Subsunk

Posted by: Subsunk on November 2, 2004 01:52 PM

NRO said this number was bad, has Kerry +4, go check the corner

Posted by: James on November 2, 2004 01:57 PM

One comment about Zogby - his poll projections for the past few weeks are all on record, and several commentators have put out negative reviews of Zogby's methods.

If Bush wins the key states, Zogby might not come out of this looking very good.

Posted by: Lastango on November 2, 2004 01:59 PM

Sorry for the cold water, but The Corner is now reporting the second wave of exit polling puts Kerry ahead in Ohio:

http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_11_02_corner-archive.asp#044496

Posted by: Barry N. Johnson on November 2, 2004 02:00 PM

Guam vote: lots of US military there (my dad was a submariner and went there a lot) but those service folks usually are registered in some US state and vote absentee in their home state. This Guam vote is probably locals who work on the bases. I don't think they get an electoral vote, though, so what it means I don't know.

Posted by: sissoed on November 2, 2004 02:02 PM

My understanding is that the Guam Republicans are slightly to the left of Fidel Castro. You don't want to know about the Democrats.

Posted by: Dylan on November 2, 2004 02:03 PM

Damnit! Thanks, Barry.

Posted by: ace on November 2, 2004 02:04 PM

I would expect Kerry's numbers to look their best at this time of day. Wait until the honest hardworking folks vote later this P.M.

Posted by: Ron on November 2, 2004 02:14 PM

Adding to what Ron says, I would think mid-day exit polls would be highly unrepresentative of the total. Who votes during the day? Unemployed people, retired people, 2nd- and 3rd-shift employees, and stay-at-home moms. I'm guessing that the first three would tend to skew Kerry, the last one Bush. I've voted during the day the last few times, and retired people are hugely overrepresented then. Last time I'm pretty sure I was the only one in the room under 60.

Of course, people who get up early and vote before going to work may well skew Bush. But did the exit polls poll them? Another group that may well skew Bush: people (like me) who tell pollsters their political opinions are nobody's damned business but their own.

Conclusions:

1. It's far too early to tell anything at all.

2. This election could go strongly Kerry, if (a) the serious situation in the world does lure millions of people to the polls who would not otherwise have felt obligated to vote, and (b) too many of the new voters haven't bothered to find out what's going on except by listening to (e.g.) broadcast news. I doubt that that's what's happening today, and suspect (hope) that this will be more like Florida 2002 or the California recall, where Jeb Bush and Schwarzenegger won far more votes than the polls predicted. We shall soon see.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil on November 2, 2004 02:24 PM

I forgot two other groups of daytime voters: college faculty, who are relatively few but skew heavily towards Kerry, and college students, who are much more numerous but probably skew at least slightly towards Kerry. (When they graduate and get jobs, they'll change.) Both tend to have plenty of free periods during the day to head for the polling places.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil on November 2, 2004 02:27 PM

Because of the military? Oh REEAALLY?

Guam doesn't get an electorial vote. Military stationed on Guam generally vote ABSENTEE in there home states -- just like ANY OTHER MILITARY MEMBER stationed overseas.

Been There. Done That. (But ALGORE sued to prevent my vote from counting.)

No active duty military member is going to waste their vote in a Guam local election, knowing that it won't count for their choice for Commander In Chief.

Get Real.

Posted by: fretless on November 2, 2004 02:38 PM

"His computer's off"
"Luke you've switched off your targetting computer"
"I'm all right."

"Use the force..."

Stay on Target!

Posted by: Iblis on November 2, 2004 02:44 PM
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