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October 17, 2004

CNNGallup Shock: Bush Back Up by 8

At Drudge.


Zogby and Newsweek weren't just noise. Bush's weak first debate performance cost him, but not as much as it first seemed. I'm a little surprised -- I thought Bush was toast, to be honest with you -- but the public does seem to have sort of settled on him for re-election (if just by a little bit).

I did not see this one coming.

Coming Soon! Andrew Sullivan explains how the "internals" all look amazing for Kerry! Eagles up, South Park Republicans!


posted by Ace at 01:46 PM
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'I did not see this one coming '----Ace

The nice thing about the internet is that you can be 'petty' and it almost never seems out of place.

I saw this one coming.

Kerry is UN-ELECTABLE except in the various 'asylums'scattered around the nation.I don't know if this poll is accurate but you can SEE the desperation in the Dems campaign.Kerry 'won' the debates,but I saw a great piece on the BBC(REALLY!!),wherein they showed a focus group after the last debate.When asked who'won'virtually everyone picked J*K,but when asked who they were voting for,the OVERWHELMING majority went firmly for Bush.Kerry got 3.5 votes(1 lady said that she would vote for Kerry only 'if I had to'.
The reason advanced by the pollster --- " They know that Bush is not as articulate,BUT they believe that 'he believes',and that is good enough for them.
Exactly.

Posted by: dougf on October 17, 2004 02:07 PM

After the 1st debate, when Kerry was up by one or two points, the media here in Europe went into a frenzy. For more then a week they parroted the news...i wonder if they will say something about this?

Posted by: madne0 on October 17, 2004 02:12 PM

Don't get nervous when Rasmussen and Zogby get closer on Monday and Tuesday. That's just noise from the weekend effect where Dems poll higher on Fridays and Saturdays. But expect to see the press highlight the "mo" toward Kerry from this easily identifiable pattern.

I'm just saying...

Posted by: Birkel on October 17, 2004 02:51 PM

It is encouraging news but I hope no one gets lazy and decides in any state that their vote doesnt matter any more...it matters now more than ever. Let's not get complacent about this news!!!

Posted by: Paul on October 17, 2004 02:53 PM

You are killing me! There's still 2 weeks left. Anything can happen. A wild attack on an American city that Kerry actually handles well ('we tried it the president's way, and we're still having attacks, let's try it my way'), something worse than we've been seeing in Iraq, or a market crash. Or, Kerry can find something dirty on Bush and release it 2 days before the election. Or, the 527s can be more effective that we can imagine in getting out the vote. Be happy about the poll numbers but pleeeeeeeeeease stop saying how Bush is such a lock.

Posted by: Karol on October 17, 2004 02:53 PM

Dead people, illegal immigrants and people with multiple aliases don't show up in polls. If you want Bush to win I suggest you sign up for the 72 hour program and volunteer as a poll watcher or voter caller on Nov. 2nd. Take days off if you have to. The dems are going to cheat big this year.

Posted by: Paul B. on October 17, 2004 03:09 PM

"Stay on Target!"

Posted by: Iblis on October 17, 2004 03:44 PM

Iblis: just what I was going to say.

I wonder if Ace was the other guy in the theater killing himself laughing during "Team America"'s cantina scene.

Posted by: someone on October 17, 2004 04:09 PM

That's the problem with following the media's lead and scoring a debate like a boxing match. It's not.

In 2000, Gore was widely perceived to have "won" the debates but the memorable parts about his antics and "lockboxes" ultimately cost him. So what was memorable about the debates?

- "Global test"
- "Mary Cheney"
- "marrying up"

The media can claim Kerry won the debates all they want. The conventional wisdom before the debates was that Bush needed to get through them without a major gaffe: he did, and Kerry didn't.

For once, it looks like the conventional wisdom might have been wise after all.

Posted by: Jim B on October 17, 2004 04:21 PM

Zogby is already claiming that Kerry has cut Bush's lead from 4 to 2. CNN isn't even touting their poll on their own web site. I personally like the realclearpolitics.com approach. Take all them polls done in a certain time frame and average them. I would suspect that it would give you a less biased view with a smaller margin of error. They show Bush +3.8.

Posted by: Steve L. on October 17, 2004 04:34 PM

I was thinking more of, "Don't get cocky, kid!" Must be my inner Solo coming through. :-)

And remember what followed soon after that: "That's the only explanation for the ease of our escape."

Is this blog bugged?

Posted by: The Black Republican on October 17, 2004 04:37 PM

Instapundit links to a new Stephen Denbeste article about the polls where he overlays color bars to show the overall trends, which clearly show both candidates creeping up, but Bush more sharply than Kerry and the trends are very consistent over the past several months. From his engineering background, he states that there are two possible reasons for the "noise", or the large ups and downs: Bad sampling equipment (impossible with a poll) or Fraud. Want to guess which it is? And the big reason the Dems are crapping their pants right now? They are loosing. And they are loosing more and more as we get closer to the elections.

Posted by: Dacotti on October 17, 2004 04:55 PM

Kerry's internals? I suspect Kerry's "internals" got flushed down the john after that poll came out.

Posted by: Dan on October 17, 2004 05:04 PM

Jim B, Re: memorable moments.

Got wood?

(anyone selling that on t-shirts yet?)

Posted by: SomeJoe on October 17, 2004 05:39 PM

Ace-

Guess the debates really *were* a wash after all ;-).

Hey pal, bully on you for the great poll coverage, you're my first stop. Okay, my second stop, after Drudge. But you're kicking ass.

BTW, did you know that Pierre Salinger was killed by a missile?

http://garfieldridge.blogspot.com/2004/10/was-pierre-salinger-killed-by-surface.html

Cheers,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on October 17, 2004 05:48 PM

As much as we want to believe that Bush has turned the corner, we can't lose sight of Ohio. Does Rove have a viable plan to capture the Buckeye state? And Florida's not out of the woods either. Let us pray. Or better still, let Rove & Co. prey.

Posted by: wdennis on October 17, 2004 05:50 PM

Newsweek polls are always noise and should always been ignored.

Gallup, Zogby, Rasmussen, Ipsos-Reid, Mason-Dixon, and one or two others--these are legit. Newsweek's one of those outfits that gives polling a bad name.

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