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October 14, 2004

Andrew Sullivan: "What's the big deal with callin' someone a homo?"

Independent-minded. Non-partisan. Highly principled.

Of course I'm talking about Andrew Sullivan, and his new best buds, the equally independent-minded, non-partisan, and highly-principled Daily Kos, Josh Marshall, and Atrios.

The Daily Recycler takes out the trash so I don't have to.

I'm just curious: If I began identifying Andrew Sullivan at every mention like so:

Andrew Sullivan, the homosexual....

Andrew Sullivan, who lies down with men...

Andrew Sullivan, sodomist...

would he rise to my defense?

C'mon, now. Andy is once again extraodinarily flexible when it comes to defending the politicians he currently favors.

Same behavior from those he doesn't like-- "outrage," "appalling," "disgusted," "heart-ache," etc.

He's beyond parody at this point. Which doesn't mean I won't try. It just makes it... tricky.

Awesome Bitchslap Update! Instapundit jerks one into the cheap seats with this towering shot:

STILL MORE: Andrew Sullivan writes: "The usually even-keeled Instapundit says that Kerry's 'position on gay marriage is the same as the President's.' I can't see how that's even remotely the case."
Well, it was this Kerry statement that led to my conclusion:

The president and I have the same position, fundamentally, on gay marriage. We do. Same position.

Call me crazy, but I took that to mean that they had the same position. Since it was a Kerry statement, I should have realized that I was probably missing out on a crucial nuance.

From Spoons, who adds:

I don't care that Sullivan's become a Democrat. I care that he's become a dick.

Well.

I don't think those are going to be easy to top.

posted by Ace at 11:54 PM

Comments

Sully continues his gay marriage hissy fit against Bush.

Posted by: Cedarford on October 14, 2004 11:59 PM

I emailed Andy this:

Kerry doesn't believe in legislating his "beliefs" when it comes to abortion, but he has no trouble taking a stand against gay marriage because he "believes" that marriage is between a man and a woman.

If his stand against gay marriage is based on anything except his faith, I'd like to know what it is. Is it because of tradition? The fact that discrimination is tradition doesn't make it right. Is it because he believes that protecting the traditional concept of marriage has benefits for society that would be undermined by permitting gay marriage? If so, I'd like to hear him say so.

Or, is Kerry's stand against gay marriage pure-d hatred of men who lie with men, like Andy?

Posted by: Ted on October 15, 2004 12:00 AM

Do I have to be the first to point out the gob-smackingly vileness of this left-handed retard-wrangling?

Posted by: Patton on October 15, 2004 12:15 AM

Ace-

"Hard to top" sure but that's why I keep coming to your site. You've got it in you. Be the ball.

Did you here Michael Mann is producing Miami Vice the movie? I smell synergy!

Posted by: Birkel on October 15, 2004 12:35 AM

On the other hand, if Kerry *is* elected, we can console ourselves by anticipating the shrieks of pain that will be shaking the internet as Andrew realizes that Kerry (gasp!) isn't going to do ONE DAMN THING MORE about gay marriage than Bush has. Sweet, sweet Schadenfreude! I wouldn't like to have his blood pressure rating after that realization dawns.

Posted by: Sonetka on October 15, 2004 01:04 AM

Moo.

Posted by: Elizabeth Edwards on October 15, 2004 01:31 AM

I think Sullivan is very consistant when he says that Kerry's position on gay marraige is diametrically opposed to Bush's, even though Kerry said as much in the debate.

It's because he knows Kerry will pander and lie and say anything to get elected.

All the while, winking and nodding knowingly to the ultra-left as if to say 'you know I really didn't meant that'.

Posted by: moflicky on October 15, 2004 01:38 AM

Oy, vey. The T-cells can't take much more of this discourse, time for a rest....

Posted by: OneDrummer on October 15, 2004 02:23 AM

I just made a vow not to ever blog on the goofball again. The field of competitors has just gotten too large :)

Posted by: Elric on October 15, 2004 02:39 AM

Andrew Sullivan: "The Thinner, Paler Oliver Willis." :)

Posted by: Kent on October 15, 2004 04:23 AM

Glenn's pimp hand is subtle, but strong.

Heh.

Posted by: on October 15, 2004 05:12 AM

I'd suggest "Andrew Sullivan, barebacker"-- it might help remind Sullivan of an incident he seems to be having some trouble remembering. (As I recall, he denied that advertising on websites for unprotected sex was something to be ashamed of, but somehow he had the idea that it was still none of the public's business. How things change.)

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek on October 15, 2004 09:11 AM

Sorry, but I've got to side with Sullivan on this one...Instapundit says that Kerry's position is the same as Bush's, and his rationale is that KERRY said it was? Please. Consider the source.

Posted by: Phil on October 15, 2004 09:23 AM

I saw Andrew "heretic" Sullivan a couple of weeks ago, I think it was on Charlie Rose, or it might have been Tim Russert. Well, whatever, he was with Chris Hitchens. I almost fell out of my chair when -- talking about his status as a sodomite -- he related how he is a "good" Roman Catholic, and (wait for it) when he realized he was a sodomite (burning with unnatural lust..cf Romans) he suddenly confronted the fact that the Magesterium of the Church held such to be a mortal sin and one of the four crying out to Heaven for vengeance. Thus Mr. Sullivan concluded (I am paraphrasing here) "because I am a sodomite BUT a good person, the teaching of the Church must be wrong". Eh? Sounds like James "another heretic" Dobson when asked by Pat Buchanan the other night who was the final authority on the meaning of scripture announced with barely a pause (and I quote [this time]) "well, Pat, we are the judge of ourselves." There is some truth in this Doctor Dobson, the words you have spoken will condemn you at the last day. Hmmmm, it would seem that "did God surely say?" and persons deciding for themselves what is good and what is evil continues apace.

Posted by: Saxon on October 15, 2004 11:04 AM

Sullivan has been having a bad month. First he was torn apart by Wretchard, and whatever shreds of his ad hominem self were left has been lit-up by Glenn.

I can't stand all his name calling against people that, even though one can find ample room to disagree, are generally even tempered and independent thinkers. Just because you don't identify as a Repub and Dem doesn't make you "independent." Independence is taking someone's argument and countering it with other facts and ideas that support your challenge. I proper challenge doesn't contain "you're just a poopie-headed Republican partisan hack."

Posted by: doug on October 15, 2004 12:28 PM

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Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held.

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He has reportedly reassured Labour MP's that Starmer will be resigning following the disastrous results tonight

It's over

"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)

No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.

Only a cult does this.

Now they've lost 84%.

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That is much worse than the worst case predictions I’ve seen.

Cataclysmic

Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.

Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...

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br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

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Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing.
Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult.
Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending.

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