Just checked the MSNBC poll, kerry is winning 74-26 with 20,000 votes, and the debate has JUST finished.

Oddly enough, when I went to their site directly after the VP debate, and oddly enough, Edwards was winning that vote by about 74-26....

Gaffe O' the evening "WTC was when? Er, uh, 1993"?

"I'd like him to ask John Forbes Kerry precisely how many foreign troops joined us in the first Gulf War and actually engaged in fighting"

I've been looking for that statistic, myself. I was in the 1st Gulf War and I remember seeing nothing but American and British troops right up until we liberated Kuwait. I spent 30 days in Kuwait City after the liberation and that's when I saw troops of every flavor all over the place(usually standing in front of me in the line to use the phones.)

I thought Bush won when he asked America who needs
some wood.

I own a timber company?

That's news to me.

Need some wood?

I knew you'd say that, Chimpy McBushyburton.

I know what John Kerry was writing on his note pad...."Oh, Shit!"

According the website that Cheney meant to send people to in the Vice-Presidential Debate, Factcheck.org, under the current administration's definition of "small-business owner" Bush is indeed the "owner" of a timber company.

Holy tax fraud, Batman. Another tax loophole is exactly
what I needed. Thanks.

Can we now start calling Kerry the "Baldrick Candidate"? His every answer seemed to include the phrase "I have a cunning plan."

I think Bush is saving the "knockout" punch for the final debate. Anything he he would have done up to now would just have given Kerry a chance to regroup and fight back the next time. But, with a knockout in the last debate, Kerry will no longer have a chance to counteract it on stage with the President, on live TV in front of 50 million voters.

I'm looking for Bush to eat Kerry for lunch during the last debate.

Everybody wants Bush to win now, and they're wrong. Bush knows that peaking too early is a great plan for failure. On the other hand, 25 days to go and I'm biting my nails.

But, I have a plan...
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But, I have a plan...
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No... the gaffe of the evening was on the abortion question... by Kerry... "Judicial Intervention"

Kerry:...And looking around here, at this group here, I suspect there are only three people here who are going to be affected: the president, me, and, Charlie, I'm sorry, you too.

So basically, the audience is a bunch of losers whoe doesn't ever have to worry about making $200K

Rock-

Yep. Kerry earned his elitist stripes with great aplomb tonight.

"All you guys look too poor to associate with me, but I've got a plan to be your President."

Guess that was focus group tested.

Best Kerry debate performance analysis ever is by Gary Lewis:

"But, I have a plan...
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But, I have a plan...
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But. I have a plan...
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But, I have a plan...
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As I live-blogged the debate thie exact series of statement from John Kerry seemed to exit from his mouth when he spoke.

I felt sick to my stomach after the first debate. Bush was embarassing, though I agreed with him on substance. Bush won this most recent debate, and I can finally hold my head up high again. :)

In the beginning of the debate, Bush appeared to be genuinely angry. He was obviously annoyed by Kerry and his galling hypocrisy. But his anger came out the wrong way; it seemed as though he was lashing out at the audience.

Then Bush started to relax, and that's when he assumed command of the debate. Kerry was reduced to repeating over and over again that "I have a plan". Bush, meanwhile, cracked jokes, exuded warmth, and managed to hammer Kerry on several points without looking nasty.

Bush's performance may not represent a decisive victory, but his impressive showing will re-energize Bush supporters, who were in despair over his dismal performance last week, and help to recover lost ground.

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Whatever the facts, America definitely needs some
wood. If you know what I mean.

Watching the debate I was struck by the fact that Bush looked like a real person. Kerry looked like he could star as himself in 'Team America World Police'.

Here's what I think: Only a spell of uncharacteristic modesty is keeping ol' Andrew Sullivan from nominating himself for one of his "Sontag Awards."

I liked it when Kerry said that promoting abortions in 3rd world countries would help with the AIDS crises ... how does that work?

" That's why I think it's important. That's why I think it's important for the United States, for instance, not to have this rigid ideological restriction on helping families around the world to be able to make a smart decision about family planning. You'll help prevent AIDS. You'll help prevent unwanted children, unwanted pregnancies. You'll actually do a better job, I think, of passing on the moral responsibility that is expressed in your question and I truly respect it."

Mr. and Mrs. Kerry paid 12% of their income in taxes last year. The Bush's paid 28%. If Kerry was serious about the rich paying their fair share, surely he and the rich Mrs. could have instructed their accountant to pay a larger share?

Mr. Kerry was definitely deterioriating in front of the camera. At the end he was reduced to holding on to his wife for reassurance.

This says it all...

debate summary photo

People saw Bush as a man passionate about his job, passionate about America, and passionate especially about this war and how we fight it. This is exemplified when Bush forcefully rebutted Kerry after he yet again demeaned and belittled the contributions of our allies, something Charlie apparently didn't want Bush to do. This was good diplomacy by proxy, really.

They saw in Kerry an elitist, pandering fence-sitter who couldn't lead his sandwich out of a paperbag without summarizing his options and focus grouping them.

Certainly a win for Bush, not a KO, but this is only the second round.

By the way, did anyone notice the woman's face, the one who asked the abortion question, after Kerry finished? She looked incredibly depressed.

Rock 12:27AM Tax cuts for the richest 1% is a loser. It failed to work in creating jobs via that old joke - the "trickledown" fantasy. It exists because the fatcats at the Club for Growth bought the Repubs to whore for it. Just like the Dems are paid whores of the rich trial lawyers blocking tort reform.

Both sides use "class envy!" charges to protect the loot gains of either wealthy biz owners or trial lawyers.

Kerry, fortunately for Republicans, is a rich elitist who is not the best person to say that rich people paying far less of a total tax rate - that combo of local, state, payroll and Federal income taxes - 11% in Kerry's case vs. the 30-35% total tax paid out by the middle class - is a screwing in progress in need of reform so the wealthy pay total tax rates closer to the middle classes burden. As Warren Buffet keeps reminding us - his secretary pays far more of each dollar she earns to the government than he does.

Kerry has many character flaws and negatives. The idea of him being in charge of national security and rubberstamping Teddy's 4 Supreme Court selectees not the least of them.

But Republicans best recognize trickledown has failed to create jobs, failed toget Jews and their enormous political cash gifts to switch sides, and if you are seen as stiffing 99% of the citizenry to borrow Chinese money to gift the 1% with huge "tax cuts" - you risk the Presidency unless you change a failed policy - or risk another 1994 Congressional debacle generated by one party sticking with failed policies.

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