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October 04, 2004

Chechen Terrorist Gets Justice-- Ace of Spades Justice

Six Meat Buffet offers up this heartwarming story:

Moscow police intercepted a car packed with explosives in central Moscow on Saturday and said they had thwarted a terrorist attack, Russian media reported.

Police found a 200-gram block of TNT, two anti-personnel landmines and a 20-liter canister with gasoline along with detonators and an electronic operating device in an old Lada.

...

[The man driving the car containing the explosives] died in hospital six hours after questioning. Initial reports said the man had suffered a heart attack, but shortly afterwards it was reported that he had bean beaten to death, apparently during the interrogation.

I'm not even going to pretend I'm sorry about this. I'm not, and neither is any right-thinking American.

There's more at Six Meat Buffet's link, of course. Right on Red tipped me to the site.


posted by Ace at 11:54 PM
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"afterwards it was reported that he had bean beaten to death, apparently during the interrogation"

Just as long as there were no signs of panties on his head, then I'm cool with it too.

Posted by: Master of None on October 5, 2004 12:24 AM

Thank God they didn't send him Guantanamo.... that would been a breach of his human rights as a person & everything....

Posted by: Wes on October 5, 2004 01:22 AM

Ace, your etiquette du linquage is second to none. Merci.

Posted by: Johnny Walker Red on October 5, 2004 02:06 AM

Personally I wish the guy had succeeded. No one wants the USSR back like Putin. They are "freedom fighters".

Posted by: Roundguy on October 5, 2004 04:49 AM

Why?

Posted by: Roundguy on October 5, 2004 04:49 AM

Old jailhouse saying: Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.

Posted by: blaster on October 5, 2004 07:05 AM

Srrms the police advised him of his rights... And a few lefts too.

Posted by: on October 5, 2004 08:32 AM

Actually I'm sorry the guy died. Not because I'm opposed to his being tortured, but because killing someone under torture is incompetent and obviously dries up the information source you were hoping to pump. This has the appearance of sheer thuggery, and the issue is too dire to give in to such emotional responses. The guy should still be alive and either singing like a bird or wishing he was dead.

Posted by: Dave Pasquino on October 5, 2004 10:31 AM

That SOB got exactly what he deserved. There will be plenty more assholes available to make talk in the future.

Posted by: Gary B. on October 5, 2004 10:59 AM

So which would be better, one dead terrorist, or one terrorist sitting in a Russian gulag envying the dead? If he were in America, it would be a completely different story - our prisons are waaaaay too cushy for people like this. But in Russia, I can't imagine their jailers are as concerned with Amnesty International as we are.

The violent, vengeful person in me thinks it wouldn't be so bad if this piece of crap had to languish in a Russian jail for the rest of his life.

Or they could have put him in a Turkish prison. That would have worked, too.

Posted by: Sobek on October 5, 2004 11:22 AM

Gary - That kind of emotionalism needs to be restrained in the WoT, it is too important to give in to mere vengeance. There may NOT be another asshole captured before the next carload of bomb materials is planted in a Moscow apartment building or a St. Petersburg school. The Russians, and ourselves for that matter, need to be scientific not vengeful in our treatment of captured terrorists. Killing a suicide bomber simply kills someone bent on death anyway; forcing the would be bomber to sing like a bird can prevent others from achieving their goal.

Posted by: Dave Pasquino on October 5, 2004 11:23 AM

I'm waiting for the inevitable international outcry over this prisoner's treatment.

I'll be sitting right here, waiting for the protestors to start filling the streets. Yup.

Posted by: lauraw on October 5, 2004 11:33 AM

Just wait . . . by the end of the day, the Kerry team will be saying that it's Bush's fault the man's rights were violated.

Score one for the good guys.

Posted by: Scout on October 5, 2004 01:50 PM

Yeah, I have to say it was an incompetent interrorgation
"Shot while attempting to escape" is much more defenseable way to terminate a terrorist. Its also easier on your hands. Beating someone to death, while satisfying, is a lot of work and eventually causes backlogs in the system.
I think Putin is sending a message Stalin style.

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