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September 21, 2004

Who is Lucy Ramirez?

USAToday reports:

In interviews in recent days with USA TODAY, both in person and on the phone, Burkett said he had merely been a conduit for the records purported to be from the private files of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, one of Bush's former Guard commanders, who died in 1984. Burkett admitted lying to USA TODAY about the source of the documents but said he did not fabricate the papers.
In earlier conversations with USA TODAY, Burkett had identified the source of the documents as George Conn, a former Texas National Guard colleague who works for the U.S. Army in Europe. Burkett now says he made up the story about Conn's involvement to divert attention from himself and the woman he now says provided him with the documents. He told USA TODAY that he also lied to CBS.

Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez.

When Burkett gave copies of the documents to USA TODAY, it was on the understanding that his identity would not be disclosed. USA TODAY honored that agreement until Burkett waived his confidentiality Monday.

Let's note straight off the bat that Burkett's word is worth about as much as CBS stock options. Whether or not "Lucy Ramirez" even exists, or, if she does exist, whether she had anything to do with these documents is not confirmed-- only Burkett's saying so.

Update-- What Is "Lucy Ramirez"?: RD Brewer thinks it's not so much a person as an anagram-- for "crazy rum lie."

Edited: I originally did a yahoo search and found someone in Texas with some Democratic connection called "Lucy Ramirez." I stated specifically that I had no idea if this was the Lucy Ramirez, and further noted that there are actually a lot of Lucy Ramierezes around.

However, as it seems more and more likely that "Lucy Ramirez" is just a crazy rum lie after all, there seems to me no point in even mentiong this Lucy Ramirez or that one. So I've deleted the reference to the Lucy Ramirez I stumbled across.

I shouldn't have even mentioned it at all, and I apologize for doing so.

posted by Ace at 12:34 PM

Comments

Note that Daily Kos thinks the Congressman is GOP, so darkly hints this make be the Rove connection.

I'm guessing it isn't the right person, but if it is, what are the odds Kos will "correct' his remarks to darkly hint that this shows the connection to the DNC?

Posted by: Phil on September 21, 2004 12:42 PM

I am in San Antonio and I assure you, in Texas you can't throw a dead cat without hitting a Lucy Ramirez.

:) Another Texas saying for you. I particularly like it. Sort of macabre.

The idiots at Kos are in a full lather about Lucy as well. I am sure she is one of those "race traitor" hispanics the anti-racist activists on Kos talk about so often. Smell the hypocrisy.

Posted by: Jennifer on September 21, 2004 12:46 PM

Lucy Ramirez. She's a good friend of an aquaintance of mine, Bender Bending Rodriguez. Lives right next to Frito Bandito.

Posted by: Bud Tugley on September 21, 2004 12:51 PM

The 15th district is nowhere NEAR Houston. Nice try, Kos.

Posted by: Sarah on September 21, 2004 12:59 PM

Kos is an idiot. Hinojosa is a 4-term D.

Posted by: Phil Smith on September 21, 2004 01:03 PM

"Lucy Ramirez" is just an anagram for "crazy rum lie." There is no such person. Burkett is creating another false lead here because he is 1) a rummy, and 2) he is now running interference for the DNC--the place where he did get the forgeries.

In addition, I suspect "Lucy Ramirez" is Burkett's pet name for Terry McCauliffe with whom he has an occasional "sleepover."

Posted by: rdbrewer on September 21, 2004 01:04 PM

Lucy, you have some splaining to do.

Posted by: donald hamilton on September 21, 2004 02:47 PM

Too bad Martha Stewart didn't use the Rather defense "I made a mistake. Now let's move on"

Posted by: Da Stingray on September 21, 2004 02:53 PM

Burnett misspoke. He meant Lucy Arnez.

Posted by: sentinel on September 21, 2004 03:24 PM

Lucy Ramirez is the Mexican actress who plays fiery producer Maria Tostada on the popular telenovela El Gran Ojo Mentiroso.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek on September 21, 2004 03:48 PM

Who is Lucy Ramirez? PollDock.com has a good time line as does another sight for Rathergate. Add Clinton/Gore to the mix of dates....news reports and dates when Kerry got "advice" from Clinton, Clinton's surgery, comments after surgery, Clinton's "people" sent to help Kerry campaign, and then comments from Clintons after CBS story hit. Google the names involved so far....group them by two's and get creative. There IS a Lucy Ramirez linked to Democratic Party and several of these names. Start with Clinton and Ruben Hinojosa (he's a democrat). It gets interesting and could be coinsidence, hmmmm....I'm up to my chin with "hits" to research. Only 2 things I can think of would make Rather put his reputation, ect on the line by not proclaiming Guard pages "forgeries" (which would mean he couldn't really protect the source if he actually said they were forgeries, nence his hedging) - implication of his daughter Robin Rather or the Kerry Campaign/Democratic Party for both his reputation and legal problems. Everything CBS is doing takes the focus off Rather and onto Mapes who will most likely take the fall and investigation into how CBS was duped will never dig to see who made the forgeries.

Posted by: bbcachette on September 22, 2004 11:55 PM