How about a little alliteration while you're at it?

Hmm, wonder why I didn't see this in ANY other media? Oh, that's right, because a) it's not news and b) The NY Sun is a neocon rag, prone to spewing party line vitriol.

Call if you get work (or a real story)

Good God...I can't believe anyone with half a brain would spend 10 seconds reading, much less writing about this bullshit. Ten years to issue a fucking report...not about about Clinton, who's been out of office for over 5 years, but his "cronies"????

The idiot we have in the white house right now is surrounded by "cronies" who are being indicted left and right...and it's not over yet.

Get a fucking life...if that's possible.

Comments from the Bush sycophants??

PASADENA, Calif. - Former CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, whose 1968 conclusion that the Vietnam War was unwinnable keenly influenced public opinion then, said Sunday he'd say the same thing today about
Iraq.

"It's my belief that we should get out now," Cronkite said in a meeting with reporters.

Cronkite said one of his proudest moments came at the end of a 1968 documentary he made following a visit to Vietnam during the Tet offensive. Urged by his boss to briefly set aside his objectivity to give his view of the situation, Cronkite said the war was unwinnable and that the U.S. should exit.

Then-President Lyndon Johnson reportedly told a White House aide after that, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America."

It's not about Clinton's cronies -- it's about Hillary! using the IRS to abuse political opponents.

In addition, looking at the percentage of Bush crony convictions to Clinton crony convictions, mathematically speaking, Hillary! stands a better chance of being 'frog marched to the big house' than any Republican.

Did the short bus not take the 'tards to class today? They're out in force here. I knew firing the Vampyre Lady was a mistake.

Call and write every member of congress from your area and demand the release of the entire report. Someone/something is named in there that the left wing congress members don't want the public to know. Throw the right of the public to know back in their face. Mine will have the Emails when they come back to the office with letters and phone calls to follow.
Damn, there's an old country saying that 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander'.

Good point scrapiron -- if the Dems will fight this so hard, it must be worth knowing. I'll get on the email right away.

I think it's obvious what's happened here: the corruption of the Bush White House has traveled back in time to corrupt the most ethical administration in history.

Instead of wasting ime railing on a 10 year old investigation (gee, only 10 years) of Clinton's "cronies"...why not post comments relating to the following comments by soldiers serving in Iraq:

John Brumes, Infantry Sgt. US Army:

Everything that the Bush Adminstration told us about that mission in Iraq is absolutely incorrect. Furthermore, I'd like to say ... I came home to no job, no health insurance. Until we take care of this war, we can't take care of the problems that matter like health care.

I've witnessed both ends... Congressman Murtha, I implore you to keep doing what you're doing.

John Powers, Capt. 1st Armored Division, served 12 months in Iraq:

The thing that hits me the most is the accountability. ... Where is the accountability for those men [who took us to war], as well as where is the accountability for Paul Bremmer, who misplaced millions of dollars and claims to keep accountability in the war zone?... I know that if we lost $500 we would be court marshaled. So where is the accountability for this leadership?

Garin Reppenhagen, served as a sniper in Iraq for a year in the First Infantry Division:

My question is also about accountability. The soldiers that you see, Congressman Murtha, at the hospitals... those are my friends. After coming back, being a veteran, my question is why? Why did we go to this war, why the hell did it happen, why are we in this condition. A lot of soldiers are debating whether this war was fraudulent to begin with. And there doesn't seem to be a clear answer. A lot of Americans now are debating the fact over whether or not the war was fraudulent in the first place. How come there hasn't been an investigation on the fraudulent lead up to the war by this Administration?

Admittedly, my interest level on this issue is on the low end. Although, as long as the report is an honest assessment of the facts, something can be gained from identifying practices that are unethical or illegal - if only to alert the country for the need to be viligent when it comes to expecting high standards from our elected officials.

But Mike, do you really want to stack side-by-side the transgressions of the former adminstration to the latter? It seems to me you are picking a fight you cannot possibly win. The only person within the Bush administration to have been indicted is Libby, and the basis for his indictment has been seriously questioned. If you're trying to bring in the skank of Mr. Abramoff, 1) he has no connection to the administration; and 2) get ready for hearing about the House banking scandal, savings & loan, etc. - not to mention the fact that the president who has been out of office for over five years happens to be the only president in recent history to have been impeached by the House.

Perhaps you should get a life, Mike.

Hey Mike,

Did Crokhite ever apologize for mischaracterizing the military effectiveness of the Tet Offensive, essentially becoming an enemy propagandist in a time of war?

Treason just ain't what it used to be.

my question is why? Why did we go to this war, why the hell did it happen,

You should address that question to Saddam Hussein. I'm sure he has a good explanation for why he did exactly what we told him would be grounds for invasion, and I hear he's got lots of time on his hands for answering letters right now.

A lot of Americans now are debating the fact over whether or not the war was fraudulent in the first place.

How are things over at DailyKos, anyway? Still think you can BorkAlito?

Hey, Mike. Do you really want to get into a contest of counting the number of positive versus negative quotes from servicemen? You're picking another losing fight. Why is the re-inlistment rate at record highs? Or do you prefer the method of the NYTimes, mischaracterizing, selectively quoting, and taking completely out of context the final letter of a fallen hero?

Yeah, this definitely seems like a pressing issue. I'm sure it deserves top billing in this time of "war", and if it doesn't get it, that's proof of liberal bias!

angler,
I'd love to get a count from both sides of the issue...but from people who are serving...and who can't catch shit from the military.

You and I both know that anyone serving isn't going to bitch while they're still inder the control of the military...but, her'e something from MilitaryCity.com:

Approval of the president’s Iraq policy fell 9 percentage points from 2004; a bare majority, 54 percent, now say they view his performance on Iraq as favorable.

Now, try to imagine what they'd say if not serving.

Wow, I didn't think this Cisneros corruption story was that big a deal, but the 5 lefty posts insisting that it's not a big deal and trying to change the subject are making me wonder why they're so concerned.

I mean, we all knew Cisneros was a crook anyway. Does this story have come connection to Hillary?

Ace, you may want to link to the Sun's Article, as Ms. M doesn't.

Aside from Scooter, who else from the administration has been indicted?

"You and I both know that anyone serving isn't going to bitch while they're still inder the control of the military..."

You have obviously never been around anyone on acive duty.
Bitchin', moanin' and complainin' are the military's version of the 1st Amendment. Exercised freely, too.

TallDave,
You're actually going to try to sell Cronkite as being treasonous??

You can't possibly be that dumb.

Then again, you apparently think the Cisneros investigation is very, very important...especially considering what's happening in Iraq?

To whom?

Rush? Hannity? O'Reilly? Savage? Coulter?

You?

Drag that little head of yours out of Bush's ass and think.

Tardswarm! Tardswarm!

This is what happens when you give civil-servants a day off.

TallDave,

I noticed that too. If this is not such a big deal why is the spittle flying from mikes lips; plus he's trying to change the topic. Interesting.

Joe Mama,
Oh, please...I certainly understand bitching and moaning amongst the military personnel.

I was referring to telling it to the press.

Hey Tubino, is your first name Mike?

Iblis,
I said Bush "cronies."

Read more...talk less.

I love the sound of a Barrett in the morning. It sounds like Victory!

I think you're right, Scott.

But, as Shakespeare said: What's in a name? That which we call a Tubino, by any other word would smell as sweet.

Doubtless a brave whistle blower will slip an unredacted copy to the papers. Of course, if the paper happens to be the NYTimes, then the editors will, after a year of careful research into the implications for national security and its effects on the nation, shit-can it and report the traitorous leaker to the FBI.

Now beat that run-on sentence!

Mike.

Hello.

Seems we've touched a nerve. Also, methinks they doth protest too much...

You can bet that a full version of the report WILL see the light of day.

Let me get this straight. This report alleges that the Clinton administration put their thumbs on the scale at the IRS and stonewalled the grand jury investigation into this case. If that allegation about stonewalling has any credibility (I'll have to read the report before I can say one way or another), how can anyone complain about the special prosecutor taking 10 years to get to the bottom of this case?

Isn't that like killing your parents, then pleading for mercy from the judge because you're an orphan? It's an old joke, but it applies here. The SOP at Clinton's White House was to stall & obfuscate investigations. When you fail to cooperate with the investigation, you have no moral high ground to stand on criticising the length of the investigation.

Of course, like I said, I'll have to read the report before I can give a good opinion. Unlike the Clinton fellators here who APPARENTLY got advance copies of the report, right? I mean, what kind of an idiot would prejudge an issue before he's gotten the facts?

I don't think this one's Tubino. The use of "..."s and generally poor grammar, along with an immature thought-process, conflict with that those pictures of Tubino that were posted, in which he looked pretty damn old.
Tubino manages a little better most days than these shitgasmic comments of Mike's, anyway.

maybe PLV finally has his meds adjusted properly?

Really, for "progressives" to go to General Quarters and start squatting in an AoS comment thread, there really must be something to this report.

Of course, the greater reason is the Democratic senatorial obstruction of the report. With that party's faux concern over privacy rights supposedly going to lead to the impeachment promised land, any sunshine on the IRS's vast powers and potential for abuse (in the FDR, JFK and LBJ traditions) is most unwelcome.

Cordially...

I think you're right. It's not Tubino. Unfortunately, I slept through most of Trollology 101...

Actually, the democrats fought to have the entire report redacted.

Malkin has a great roundup. Ref Tony Snow's article - very good.

Oh, and by the way, Mike - any notions that this is sick anti-Clinton fantasy is , well, fantasy. Clinton was corrupt, and it's everybody's business how that affected the job of government. If it had been reported appropriately at the time rather than winked at by the MSM, the rest of government would have been issued a warning rather than carte blanche.

Can just one liberal troll please not bash Bush and rather attack on the merits of the issue?

BDS. It's sad when it's the ones you love.

Abuse of "...", continued use of phrases like "sycophant" "pull your head out of Bush's ass" and "read more...talk less"

It's Jersey. AKA Geno, Thomas, Dirty Ratbag Shithead Whose Ideas Can Only Be Bolstered By Repeating Them Under An Army Of Aliases, etc. I was wrong to assume he was the dingleberry behind BigTobacco a few posts back, BT actually wrote better than this yahoo. Not saying much, but there it is.

Mike, why is it that you keep changing your name? Who are you trying to fool?

Maybe Mikethomjergeno wants us to believe his views are shared by a whole bunch of people, rather than a very small swarm of moonbats.

MPD?

Adios, assholes.

Keep those 10 year old scandals coming.

God knows we need something to take our minds off the little prick in the white house right now...and te illegal, hateful war he's gotten us into.

Oh, and keep those letters going to the families of the fallen...I'm sure they're all happy to hear from those big mouth pricks who are HERE...and not THERE.

Chickenhawks...one and all.

"hateful war"

as opposed to "happy funtime fuzzy bunny wars" like WW2 and The 30 Years War?

It does my heart good to see that the "Chickenhawk Gambit" is still in play on the left. Kind of like the Cubs sucking, it reassures me that all is right with the world.

Mike,

te illegal?

I know you meant "the illegal".

Everyone! Mike meant "the illegal".

I got your back bro

Mike is insane. Like vampyre running on the impaler ticket insane.

Dave, stop screwing with his spelling. It's hindering the discussion.

It's "illeagle." My teacher always told me to remember the leagle beagles. Helps me to stay ahead of common spelling errors. I hear even some spell checkers get this one wrong, because Bush cut education spending.

Chickenhawks...one and all.

And he nails the dismount to win gold in the 2006 Troll Olympics.

In honor of Michael we will now hoist the flag of Canada or France or some shit and play Fortunate Son by CCR.

Whoops. Sorry to the real Michael. I was just trying to make it sound all official and stuff.

Dude, I am listening to Fortunate Son right now. Creepy. At least the Libs back then could write some good music.

It's not tubino. It's the same moron who posts under the names Jersey and Geno/Gino.

This is the telling phrase: "Drag that little head of yours out of Bush's ass and think."

The same phrase, or some crude variation of it, was used by all three trolls. Combine that with other similarities between posts written under those three names, and it looks as though we have ourselves a troll who knows we have already written off his other two monikers and is trying again under a new name.

Mike/Jersey/Geno - shit, even when wrapped in nice paper with a pretty bow, is still shit. Your "points," such as they are, are nothing more than the usual, tiresome anti-Bush invective spewed out by countless of your kind.

You do your side no favors when you sit at your typewriter and vent, so I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say please, keep posting. It's always good to see someone prove that no matter how far down the left goes, there is never a bottom to the particular barrel you from which you scrape your worthless comments.

Oh, and keep those letters going to the families of the fallen...I'm sure they're all happy to hear from those big mouth pricks who are HERE...and not THERE.
Posted by Mike at January 16, 2006 08:52 PM

I just love when liberals pretend to care about our soldiers. It's so cute - doin' the Sheehan soft shoe on the corpses of America's best.

Warden-
nails the dismount-

I'm crying, that's so funny!

Name names jackass.

Larry the Urban Cowboy: "Hmm, wonder why I didn't see this in ANY other media? Oh, that's right, because a) it's not news and b) The NY Sun is a neocon rag, prone to spewing party line vitriol."

We're so sorry, Larry, it didn't meet your high standard of journalism, like, say, that pillar of the community, Larry Flynt.

The Dems wonder why they are losing at the polls. They have Larry Flynt on their side. And they have Saddam Hussein repeating their talking points at his trial.

lauraw,

You crack me up daily so I supposed it's only fair that I get one off every once in awhile.

In addition, looking at the percentage of Bush crony convictions to Clinton crony convictions,

O convictions of Clinton cronies for crimes committed in Clinton office. 1 conviction of a Clinton guy for a crime committed NOT under Clinton

Zero convictions.

And Cisneros? Wasn't this about something shady with money and his mistress? Even the cited article says "The SUN outlines the report's details surrounding the alleged illicit activity and cover up" ... alleged illicit activity? That means no conviction, right?

Okay, look, bad is bad whoever does it. But for real down-and-dirty SLIME, you have to read Abramoff's emails. They're public now, and they are BAD. Read the exchange with Ralph Reed. Al Franken's book cites a bunch too, and they are far worse than I would have imagined.

The idea that Abramoff is not connected with the WH is denial of reality to a crazy degree. You just have to read these quotes from the past.

conflict with that those pictures of Tubino that were posted, in which he looked pretty damn old.

I once called up an old college roommate out of the blue. When he answered, I said, "You old cocksucker." Without missing a beat (and no idea who was calling), he said, "Oh, so I'm OLD now, am I?"

I'm not that old. I'm prematurely gray. :) And I'd go circles around you young whippersnappers.

Given that Bubba has been hanging out with the Bushes, I guess you could call him a Bush crony.

I'm prematurely gray

Don't forget senile. You're prematurely senile, too.

Hi, Tubino. Me again. Just wondering if you're ever going to respond to my final attempt to have a serious and honest discussion with you, here. The reason I ask is because I think it's a waste of my time to argue with a troll. Your comments?

See, now we have cheerful tubino. Talk about mood swings...
Still as duplicitous as ever.

I almost feel sorry for him. He has all his hopes in the Abramoff basket. He thinks the American voter is going to be appalled at the revelation of corruption in Washington politics. Oh my!

The average American is going to shrug it off, eh, what else is new.

Others will be mildly interested and dig a little deeper. Only to find out politicians from both parties are implicated.

It's a stalemate, grasshopper. No "converts" will be won with this pile of non-news. No one cares. The best two games of the entire NFL season will be on next week -- the conference champoinships. Then the Super Bowl two weeks later.

No one cares, my little one. No one.
It's not the topic of conversation around the water cooler (unless of course you're a civil servant or work in State Dept or CIA). No one cares. No one listens to Air America.

No one cares.

Scooter who?

Valerie what?

No.

One.

Cares.

Remember clinton sold out our nations TOP SECRETS to the chicoms for illeal campaign cash

He has all his hopes in the Abramoff basket.

How many hopes could he have left?

Half of them broke when the NY Times and all those other newspapers confirmed that Bush won Florida after all.

Even more broke when WMD stockpiles weren't found but the administration didn't actually collapse overnight.

Still more hopes were destroyed when Rather/Mapes did their dirty little business.

Watching the Swift Boat Vets tear Kerry (i.e., Mr. "Reporting for Duty") to shreds must have been hard for him to watch.

Abu Ghraib turned out to be a big fat nothing. More hopes dashed.

Remember Fitzmas? When polled, 96% of Americans responded "Scooter who?" We're down to almost no hopes now.

The university kid lied when he claimed that the FBI visited him for checking the commie book out of the library. So much for the one concrete example of a problem with the Patriot Act that anyone has ever come up with. Leftwing hope supply extremely low.

Warrantless wiretaps on foreign terrorists calling to/from the US? Not exactly motivating people to take to the streets, is it? That was almost the very last hope.

How do you think the Abramoff thing is going to pan out, Tubino? I'll give you two guesses. (Here's a hint: your first guess is wrong)

Do you think it's dawned on them that Left-liberalism doesn't actually work without a media monopoly?

O convictions of Clinton cronies for crimes committed in Clinton office. 1 conviction of a Clinton guy for a crime committed NOT under Clinton

Zero convictions? Um, Tubino, (if it's really you this time) you should know better than that.

Yeah, the left's been reduced to the compelling positions of "war is hell" and "politicians are sleazy".

Bold, new thinking for the new millenium. And they wonder why they don't win elections.

The sad thing? I'd figure them shoo-ins in 06 and maybe even 08 if they didn't say a goddamn word. An unlabelled, dented can of beans could've taken the House and Senate this year on a combination of Republican fatigue and not having the ability to be bat-shit crazy.

But it goes without saying that the Dems could never amount to a hill of beans. *drumbeat*

Coupled with the fact what Bush crony has been convicted yet, really?

(I should wait a second before posting- I always leave something out)

SJKevin,

The point I wanted to make was that picking one tiny data point about Afghanistan to make a larger point was kinda dumb.

Was the US-favorable poll good news? Sure. Did it surprise me? It was higher than I would guessed. Do I totally accept it? I have the same reservations geoff voiced.

Look, the opium trade is now 20 times larger than before, which means it is now the single largest economic factor in the country. I guess having folks view the US favorably means we get the heroin wholesale? That's a little joke. I'm trying to point out that a uncontrollable narco-state is hardly an outcome that can be overlooked by any poll.

Quite a while ago I cited the US military to make a point about the inadequate outcome in Afghanistan, and more specifically about the Iraqi-style techniques showing up there. To make sure the SOURCE was noted, I pointed out that it was the f'kn military, not some Democratic Underground. Oddly, some remember only the use of fucking to make the point memorable - while forgetting the point.

But today you can read a very relevant story about 3 bombings in Afghanistan, and unfortunately they strengthen that same point I made.

KABUL, Afghanistan - A suicide bomber drove a motorbike into a crowd at a wrestling match in an Afghan border town Monday, killing 20 people. It was the third deadly bombing in a little over 24 hours in the Taliban's former stronghold province of Kandahar

I seriously doubt that anyone here will admit that what I pointed out then appears to be an accurate prediction.

While on this honesty topic, I might point out that some weeks ago, I got some of you hot and bothered by pointing out the enormous gap between Republican funding for vets and their support-the-troops rhetoric. I pointed out that the huge projected cost of caring for returning vets would guarantee massive increases in budgeting in order to cover it.

Now you can read that that cost is one of many that create an estimate of between 1 and 2 trillion dollars for the war in Iraq. IIRC, about 20% of the 16,000 wounded have serious head and spinal injuries, and wil require many resources for the rest of their lives. I think it was Bart who got particularly bent about my projection on the cost, but do you see anyone admitting that the new numbers support my assessment back then?

I could go on with more examples where I was raked over coals only to be proven right weeks or months later. But wouldn't it be something if someone ELSE pointed it out? Maybe someone who was WRONG, and extremely insulting about it? Just a thought.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/16/18159/6294

Looks like Mike and the other trolls are relishing the endorsement of Mr. "Screw Them" himself to get nastier than normal (recall they endorsed makingMrs. Alito cry).

HowardDevore,

Would you like to make a wager about which WH had the most criminal convictions?

Yes, Clinton was much INVESTIGATED. But convictions?

Consensual sex isn't illegal,. but you can sure investigate it. Compare the Reagan WH.

Plenty more coming from this admin... records will be broken.

Tubino, you're not really addressing my comments.

Let's go over to the original thread and continue this discussion.

Hi Tubino, I'm a link click me.

Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

Of course this ignores some of the "unproven" allegations:
Juanita Broderick: Rape
Marc Rich et al: pardons for bribes
ChiComs: Illegal campaign contributions for Missile Technology/ Access?/Favors unknown?

Hi Tubino, I'm a link click me.

Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

Of course this ignores some of the "unproven" allegations:
Juanita Broderick: Rape
Marc Rich et al: pardons for bribes
ChiComs: Illegal campaign contributions for Missile Technology/ Access?/Favors unknown?

And don't forget one of his worst and shameful entries from this thread.

Look, the opium trade is now 20 times larger than before, which means it is now the single largest economic factor in the country.

From the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime report The Opium Situation in Afghanistan as of 29 August 2005:

As a result, the total potential opium production in Afghanistan in 2005 is estimated at around 4,100 tons, representing a decrease of only 2% compared to the 2004 harvest (4,200 tons). Even so, this year’s opium production remains well below the 1999 peak (under the Talebans) of 4,600 tons.

Oh, geoff, I guess that was one of the fake tubinos that posted the opium thing. Because the real tubino just oozes credibility.

Nope, not me.

Look, I'll be honest with you guys. He pulls stuff out of me. all. the. time.

He keeps digging back here trying to find his Fitzmas presents.

The 20X opium claim derives from the one year period in which the Taliban outlawed opium production (due to international pressure), which dropped the rate from over 4000 tons/yr to about 100 tons. The liberal claim is therefore strictly true, but is used to show that the invasion of Afghanistan has caused new, aggravated problems, rather than the resumption of old ones.

And we're still trying to figure out how to stink-palm people through the comments.

What is this, a history blog or something?

And we're still trying to figure out how to stink-palm people through the comments.

Ok, that one made me laugh out loud!

nobody ever remembers my points, just that I'm a jerk.

I hate that.

The 20X opium claim derives from the one year period in which the Taliban outlawed opium production (due to international pressure), which dropped the rate from over 4000 tons/yr to about 100 tons.

DAMN YOU BUSH!!

BRING BACK THE TALIBAN!! THEY WERE GOOD FOR AFGHANISTAN!!

Tubino seems to be asking us to control opium production using the brutal methods of the Taliban. I didn't realize that his opposition to recreational drug use was stronger than his support for human rights.

Tubino:
Why would a Republican lobbyist have to bribe other Republicans? Wouldn't it stand to reason they would already be goose-stepping right beside him? If he were having to resort to bribery, it would seem to me it would be with people who are reluctant to vote his way, in other words: (cue dramatic organ swell) d'Emocrats.

Tubino,
Zero convictions? I seem to remember a conviction for perjury and a loss of a law license, but hey, my memory ain't what it used to be.