Look, it's sad that an "additional" (whatever that means - in addition to what? after what?) 25,000 troops lost their lives in Vietnam. But that they were lost in service to ignominious and unnecessary defeat lays completely at the feet of solipsitic war protestors of the era and the feckless politicians that succumbed to their agitprop. And what of the "additional" millions of South Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians that lost their lives due to that solipsism and fecklessness? They never seem to count to the selfish nostalgists of that time.

Perhaps there were folks that protested Vietnam out of good faith. But I know that even if that were true at the time, I couldn't get a good nights sleep if, knowing what any reasonably honest and self-aware person should know now, I had protested that war - and it sickens me that folks like Howard Dean apparently can.

But we can't question their patriotism, right?

Howard Dean: the gift that keeps on giving.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

It's hard to say which comment is the most ignorant. What the hell, I'll give it a shot and pick this one:

"Bring the 80,000 National Guard and Reserve troops home immediately. They don't belong in a conflict like this anyway.

Right. The Guard can't fight. They can't maintain equipment. They can't build anything. They can't run a hospital or fix a rotor or set up a commo bunker. They can't do a goddam thing and I don't even know why we have them.

Dean doesn't have a clue what the Reserves are capable of. He just blithely asserts they shouldn't be there.

Why are Dean & co. such quitters? Why don't they apply that same attitude to their own political fortunes?

"I've seen this before in my life. This is the same situation we had in 2000. Everybody then kept saying, 'just another year, just stay the course, we'll have a victory.' Well, we didn't have a victory, and this policy cost many seats in the House and Senate because we were too stubborn to recognize what was happening."

In the picture on Drudge, you can see a slogan written on the background that reads "We Can Do Better."

I wonder if the twin ironies are lost on Mr. Dean, given that a) yes, the country certainly can do better than the man standing in front of that slogan, and b) his message while standing in front of that sign is "America can't do it at all. We should just give up."

Why can't Howard Dean pronounce idea instead of pronouncing it as ideer?

Howard Dean is right when he says, "The idea that we are going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong. "

The idea that the Democrats are going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong.

I question everyone's patriotism.

It's not something you're born with; you earn it.

Slightly O/T, here's John Murtha on Sunday (courtesy of Mickey Kaus, a man who's much better than the company he keeps.) Murtha is consistent with the Democratic party line, if by "consistent" you mean defeatist, over-the-top, and none too concerned with the logic of his comments.

Why be shocked? The only people who take Dean seriously are the idjits in the press. I think every Bush hater out there knows and realizes that they want us to lose the war to make Bush look bad.

Look at the count downs to 1000 KIA.

I believe Howard Dean is Karl Rove's masterpiece.

I wish Dean would quit telling the truth.

Our enemies are always invincible. I'm sure that Thomas Sowel has written something kickass about how this logically follows from the unconstrained vision. I think it's got something to do with how they think people are motivated, not by self-interest, but by more romantic, Lawrence of Arabia type instincts. So just as letting people keep more of their money dosen't give them more incentive toward productivity, blowing them up just increases their will to fight, instead of decreasing it.

I wish Dean would quit telling the truth.

I'll bet you do. His version of "the truth" is embarrassing as hell for you guys.

YYes reality is very embarrassing to Liberals. We would much rather live in the world of fantasy and hyperbole.

YYes reality is very embarrassing to Liberals. We would much rather live in the world of fantasy and hyperbole.

At least you admit it.

Yes, I know you're being sarcastic.

He means like Dean. Like when Dean said OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.

I don't recall Dean saying OBL had nothing to do with 9/11. I do recall him saying Iraq had nothing to do with it. However, that is a proven fact and probably doesn't belong in fantasyworld.

I don't recall Dean saying OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.

That's because too much time spent between the warm cheeks of the 'reality based community' makes you immune to facts that don't fit your preconceived template for how the world should work.

Here you go.

Enjoy.

I thought you'd ask, so here it is:

Dean Lie

Do a "osama" search. I think it's the second one down.

Edward I guess you missed the part where it said

"Slip of the tongue? Probably. I provide, you decide. Quote updated for accuracy."

Would you like me to point out all the times Bush misspoke?

Seems that all of Dean's misspeaks are anti-American, though.

Funny how that works.

Coward Dean and the Demonrat Crew: "We've got to withdraw now and fail before the Rethuglicans succeed and destroy our doom and gloom propaganda!"

I guess that depends on how one defines anti-American. If I was inclined to use cheap rhetorical tricks to argue a point I would say almost everything Bush has done is anti-American. However, I'll leave those theatrics to those who have no other way of arguing.

Friday, December 26, 2003 Posted: 6:25 PM EST (2325 GMT)

(CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean will not pronounce Osama bin Laden guilty before a trial, he said in an interview published Friday.

I note that CNN did not indicate this was a slip of the tongue

Hey, Vet. I'll say it for you.

Much of what Bush does is anti-American. But Kerry would have been worse. Gore, maybe not so - just dull to the point of dim-wittedness.

I see no redeeming politician-whores. Least of all the dhimmi-crats.

By the way, Vet, where did you serve?

William I already explained where I served.

As I said before for those who are unarmed when it comes to reason I suggest they call people anti-American and leave it at that. There is no reason to embarrass themselves any further by exposing their ignorance.

"William I already explained where I served."

Oh. Well, excuse me. I don't see it in this post and I don't read all the posts on this site. Most of the posters here seem too politically correct.

I asked out of interest. Thank you for serving our country.

I can vouch for Proud Liberal Vet.

He is as much of a patriot as my other friends: Good Driver Asian; Nice Smelling Frenchman; and Republican Anti-War Guy.

Dean should drop dead and take the chicken shit kerry and kennedy, Biden, polosi etc with him! What do ANY of them know about war? Other than how to get out of going them selves, or leaving early and leaving your men behind!

Don't waste your time on the troll William, he's a liar, and not a particularly interesting one.

It was over a week ago when PLV got pressed to prove it, he made up some story about flying helicopters in Antarctica. I can't recall if he spelled it correctly. When pressed for believable detail, like a unit designation or his MOS, he said "nuh uh, you ain't getting anything else outta me"! Then he ran out of the thread crying hot wet tears of shame.

Ah, well. I see.

Some people lie, some tell the truth.

I'm always happy to offer any real vet my gratitude. I'm too old to enlist for this war, or I would. However, if Pope Ratzinger had the balls to call for another crusade.....

Remember that scene in Animal House when they steal the majorettes' baton and lead the marching band down a blind alley? They cut back to the alley after a few other shots, and the the band is still there, crowded in on itself and still marching resolutely into the wall.

Whenever I see the Deniac giving a speech as the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party, that scene comes to mind. Dunno why.

Well, I served two tours in the Air Force in Korea as a 208x4G - Korean Translator - (we had AFSCs not MOSs back in the day).

So I'd be interested to hear PLV's take on his six years in Korea.

Hey, BumperStickerist - thanks for serving!

Does it gall you any that the South Koreans now seem to hate us?

I don't mean to sound awful, but with the prevailing attitudes among the younger citizens there, I think we ought to just let the North have them.

Dean is such a political whore. He's saying what he thinks the people want to hear but the only people that think he's great are the Kool-aid left.

Well, at least Proud Liberal Cockknocker has gotten over his "I'm going to call anyone who disagrees with me a fag" phase.

On a somewhat related note, my regard for Barack Obama just went up a notch. I heard he came out today and said something to the affect that advocating pulling out of Iraq immediately might be good politics for the left but it probably wasn't good for the country.

Just knowing that this is pissing off the Kosmonauts and the DU nutbars warms my heart. Can't wait to see them begin to trash him the way the do Joementum.

Did Osama Balama Olama just buy himself a place on the Hillary! ticket?

Bart, exactly! That's what I thought.

I wonder if Dean says really stupid things so that more "moderate" sounding democrats sound better than they actually are...

... hmmm sounds too much like a moonbat conspiracy. Nah, Dean is as stupid as he sounds.

Still, perhaps Hillary whispered in Barack's ear.

Bumperstickerist, thanks for your service.

PL(n)V claimed it was Vietnam era service, so an MOS would have applied. It took me all of 5 minutes to find the MOS for a Navy helicopter pilot 65-73, so I'm sure after he gets his braces tightened he could google it up, if he actually knew what an MOS was.

Mussolini = William Thrash.

Takes too damn long to type my name out anymore.

The idea of Dean "playing" the lefty to help Hillary! look moderate is a bit Rovian as far as moonbat conspiracy. I'm not putting it past them, I just don't think, as you say, Dean is capable of such a clever plan.

Things have a way of working out for Hillary! The woman is slick, cant' deny that.

I don't want to keep harping on this, but Howard Dean needs to walk a tightrope as DNC Chair, he will have to disappoint Chris Klein by placating the moonbat base so they don't defect to the Greens. And a the same time, Dean mustn't drive away the moderates in his party.

If Rove was the genius mastermind everyone thinks he is, he would create a Green Party leader to challenge Dean at every turn.

"Well, at least Proud Liberal Cockknocker has gotten over his "I'm going to call anyone who disagrees with me a fag" phase."

Glad you noticed fag.

You are all horse's asses. Or horse-asses.
Whatever.
You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning Proud Liberal Vet's integrity. Shamed.

I'm not sure of that Bart. I think letting Dean be Dean is the best policy of all. He is continuing to drive the party further to the left and taking a good part of the activist left base with him.

The Demos biggest achilles heel has always been the fact that their nomination process is heavily slanted toward the liberal base. With Dean pushing the bar almost to the red line (pun intended) I think there will be a real acrimonious fight for the nomination between some real hard left candidate and someone like Hillary who is shrewd enough to know what it takes to actually get elected. A "moderate" will eventually get the nomination but the party will be badly fractured and a lot of the left will stay at home.

Code Pink is already hammering Hillary. This is gonna be fun.

Don't worry about it Professor. I know fag Republicans, other than gentlemen like Trash, hate vets. That is why they support draft dodgers like Bush and Cheney, two chickenshit fags just like them.

You're right, it will be fun to watch. Dean will be asked to address the contradictions between himself some of his candidates on the Sunday morning talk-shows. The guy ain't a smooth talker; his answers will be interesting.

Right on!

Yeah, there all fags and faggoty fagot homophobe RETHUGLIKKANS!

PL(n)V(a):
Go away.
If you served our country, thanks.
If not, but claim to have done so, you are scum.
Either way, you are discredited many times over via your lack of fact-based arguments, and no, holding out Vet status does not constitute an argument.
"fag Republicans"?? "chickenshit fags"??
You are a bitter dolt.

Uncle Jefe I would let you suck my cock but I'm not a fag like you.

Oh yea, go fuck yourself idiot.

Uncle Jefe, of course he served.

In my experience as an unbiased liberal reporter who serves truth and justice while speaking truth to power, the more bluster and swagger, the more action a military man has seen.

In my professional journalistic assessment, PLV served as a Green Beret and fought 8ft aliens w/infrared vision. His moral authority is not to be questioned by anyone other than a licensed journalist with very nicely coiffed hair.

PLV is a true American.

PLV you have to forgive the vet haters in the crowd. In a party filled with so many silver spooned draft dodgers they can't believe it when they run into someone who actually served. As a moderate Republican I can tell you that not all of us hate vets.

Speak truth to power, PLV.

I was in WWI.

I agree w/that journalist. I commend PLV for speaking out about this illegal and unjust war based on phoney intelligence.

I really, really want to be able to vote for Republicans, but I just can't because Bush is so fascist. It's really too bad that the Republicans are losing moderates like me with their far-right, fundamentalist, and mean-spirited policies. I think that Bush should have spoken to that Sheehan woman about how he killed her son.

PLV:

Courage!

PL(n)V(a)-
We like to use dirty little words like that here, but not in a venomous way.
Get creative, you short-bus-riding twit.
With an attempt at angering/insulting me like this,

Uncle Jefe I would let you suck my cock but I'm not a fag like you.
Oh yea, go fuck yourself idiot.

you show that you're not ready for the big leagues.
So go away.
You remind me of the time when a car kept cutting in and out of lanes up ahead of me, recklessly trying to get somewhere.
Eventually, the idiot worked back to where I was, and cut me off back and forth several times, finally aggressively flipping me off.
I pulled in front of the idiot at the stop light, and got out to 'chat'. Trouble was, the little Asian woman behind the steering wheel wanted no part of me, and frantically rolled up the windows when she saw me coming her way.
You feel very safe behind your keyboard, as she did behind her steering wheel.
So if you're going to be insulting and tough, at least put some thought into it.
Otherwise, don't waste time with baby talk.

I served in Vietnam with PLV. He helped me bury Charlies that I slaughtered with my helicopter. He always made sure to bury them with their hands sticking out so they could wave goodbye.

Yes, I see that there's many of us here. We all voted for Reagan, but are just so fed up with our party these days because of Big Oil and Hurricane Katrina and illegal wars.

But not all of us Republicans hate puppies. Some of us are very moderate and now support moderate Democrats like Harry Reid and Howard Dean.

Also, Abu-Ghraib. I was very upset by that, and as a lifelong Republican think Bush should be frogmarched to the firing line with Cheney and Rove.

I say all this as a moderate Republican. I'm just so disheartened. Take it from me, I used to always vote for Republicans, but I just don't like how the Republicans hate black people and nice weather.

Uncle Jefe I hate to tell you this but you are about as creative as that wart on your ass that you used to get out of serving.

PLV, believe me when I say that I won't cum in your mouth.

Holy crap, what a slew of repeat posts from one person under different names....

(sneezecoughhack)

Has Dean ever said anything intelligent? Yes, that's a real question.

American Who Loves Paying Taxes you can only dream. The best you can expect butboy is sloppy seconds from a Republiwhore.

I was also in VietKorea. I flew the DMC-504B fighter jet bomber gunship.

You chickenhawkrepublithugs don't know about war, but I do. I fought for you cowards when I was shooting the Elbonians in the DMZ.

Ever kill a man with your musket? I didn't think so. YOUR THE ONES WHO ARENT PATRIOTS!!!!

The "service" you perform at the 76 truck stop isn't the same thing as serving our country. It's noble work and the truckers thank you, but there is a difference

Nah, you're either in 8th grade, or 50, but perpetually stuck in 8th grade, hockey helmet and all.
That's not any kind of put-down.
And still way too bitter.

Uncle Jefe the only thing you have ever put down is that cat you fuck every morning to try and feel like a real man.

Hey, PLV, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

We had this discussion last time with the creep. He's a liar.

The guy may have served a lot of sailors, but he's never actually been in the navy, or any other branch either.

I find it kind of sweet that when trolls make up stories about their past, they never say they're college professors or actors.
They say they're military pilots.

Must gnaw at them who the cool people really are.

The only thing we proved last time laura is what an ignorant cunt you are.

Fuck off bitch.

I don't think PLV has ever seen himself naked. See, his mamma told him he'd go to hell if he ever accidentally touched himself, so he's never taken off his clothes... I bet you can smell him ten miles away now.

Let's see if he posts another monotonous "fuck off cunt" comment.

I can't believe the stinky cunt bitch Andrea, probably another Republican lesbian, has the nerve to refer to the smell of anyone else.

Stinky Bitch.

Not much of a gentleman, are we?

You kiss your mother with that mouth?

Hey, PLV, I feel ya, man.

No, I didn't kiss my mother.

She kissed me.

With tongue.

oooh, I hit a nerve!

That was too easy. But I've heard that some people like being predictable.

I love seeing two ugly cunts slap themselves on the back.

Walker told me I have AIDS.

Well, of course he has issues with women.

Come on...calling everyone else a 'fag,' his fake macho exterior.

PLV said he was a pilot, right? Well, I'm thinking the only joystick he's ever held was his boyfriend's cock.

Fuck off Trash I love being treated like the bitch I am.

Andrea suck my dick you whore.

That wasn't me, you know.

The real Edward R. Murrow don't play that.

So PLV, go fuck yourself.

Or your mother.

Your choice, asshole.

But stop pretending to be me, you pathetic piece of fucking trash.

Behold the wrath of the small, angry boy.

Isn't it a school night, PLV?

Andrea don't believe that last asshole. I hate you you ignorant cunt.

You're all faggy fags, you fags!

Edward don't call me a cunt you dirty old man.

Fuck you.

Yo, PLV, since you hate draft dodgers so much, you must've voted for Bush I and Dole, right?

Andrea you have to believe it wasn't me. It was that commie fag pretending to be me. Honest Bitch.

Kids, kids, kids.

Please stop at once. You're just embarrassing yourselves.

No, wait, check that. You couldn't be any more embarrassed than PLV at the minicsule size of his dick.

Carry on.

Kelly can I do you after I'm finished with that whore Andrea?

PLV, you're really quite the asshole. But you give yourself away - the "fag" comments are your trademark, not mine.

Now come out of the closet and post under your real fake name, you miserable fraction of a man.

I'm the REAL Proud Liberal Vet. You can always tell it's me by the goo dripping out of my mouth when I talk.

So what's a little typo every now and then?

I typed "minicsule."I meant to type "clitoris."

PLV please stop. I give. I'm just another girly-man and I can't take this any longer.

Yeah, I loves me some goo.

If you know what I mean.

Ooh, Bart, you sexy thang.

Come on, PLV, 'fess up. You're really Micah Wright, aren't you?

Can anyone remember what post Proud Liberal "Vet" discussed his Antarctica tour on?

I'd be interested in reading that.

Quite the little flamewar you've started, PLV.

Nice way to distract from the fact that your party is once again starting to lose the debate over the war because they overstepped.

Again.

Sorry Howard Dean fucked up such a nice little news cycle for you.

Speaking pubescently, I don't think PLV has hit the change yet.

That's why human sexuality is still such a mystery to him. He's worried that he's gonna grow up gay coz of that one time his dad kissed him goodnight.

Skip that last post PLV I know Bush is a lying scumbag who hates vets. I just can't stand it when people like you point out the obvious.

If anyone is going to fuck that bitch Andrea it's me.

Here's PLV's tour of duty, as it were:

I flew a helicopter in Nam. They sent me to Antartica after that, then the Artic, then 6 years in Korea. Finally, they retired me to SF.
Posted by: Proud Liberal Vet on November 15, 2005 02:32 PM

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/133297.php#133297

I doubt PLV is out of high school. The thought process just isn't there. Waste.Of.Time.

Hm. Seems PLV has been playing too much Xbox and drinking too much Mountain Dew.

His posts grow ever-more incoherant and he's just jumping from assumed personality to assumed personality.

Dean is not a fag, you faggy fags!

Ha ha ha. Pretend for a moment that he's telling the truth. Who did he piss off to get sent to Antartica... then the Artic... then San Fransisco? Way to go, Gomer Pyle.

"Frat House Hippie"

These are actually fairly common nowadays. FWIW.

Are we *sure* PLV isn't one of us having some fun (like DEAL WITH REALITY!!!!)?

What's wrong, PLV? Run out of adjectives?

You could always use "fag" again. Stay in the shallow end of the pool, as it were. Where it's nice and comfortable and no one expects you to use words with more than one syllable.

I once suspected PLV was one of us playing games, until he dropped the "c" word on some female posters.

That's a line I've never actually seen crossed by the regulars on this site.

Sorry for all the crazy posts folks. Obviously someone has stolen my identity and is pretending to be me.

I'm out of here as I really don't have a quarrel with you all, just a disagreement. So if you see me posting again it isn't me.

Peace and God speed.

Sorry for all the crazy posts folks. Obviously someone has stolen my identity and is pretending to be me.

Pot and fucking kettle, asshole.

Who did he piss off to get sent to Antartica... then the Artic

Are those museums?

Good point, Sortelli. I never even bothered pretending he was on the level. Funny stuff.

PLV can I blow you before you go?

You'd like that, wouldn't you, PLV?

I don't see any reason why we should doubt that he's a genuine liberal middle school student who must vent his rage at having his lunch money stolen every day AND at living in Bushitler's AmeriKKKa day in and day out by coming here to type the word "fag" over and over in a therapeutic fit of masturbation.

I mean, it's not like we don't know there aren't real people like this reading Jesus' General and Daily Kos every. fucking. day.

Me, I'm just comforted by the quality of Howard Dean's apologists. Thanks, PLV, for boldly going where no one else can.

Also: DEAL WITH REALITY was clever.

Edward I thought we were getting together later, after you are done with that bitch Andrea and acehole has licked your ass.

What the hell is "Jesus' General?"

This comment thread has a surrealish quality now.
I don't know who's who and what's what.

I don't even know if I'm really me anymore.

I collect butterflies and have a hairy back.

I'm not really me. I'm him. But only pretending. Really.

But don't mistake me for who I might not be or who I am. I'm really the other guy.

Sometimes.

What the hell is "Jesus' General?"

Apparently the closest thing the left has to a "funny" blog. That's not unintentional, that is.

"I collect butterflies and have a hairy back."

Well, one out of two ...

Hey folks can we get back on the main topic here and stick to hating Liberals.

I like puppies.

In my ass.

Are there even any liberals left in the Democratic Party?

Hate? Is that all the left is about?

I have liberal morons in my extended family, but I don't hate them. Hell, if I hate anything, it's liars.

I can tolerate just about everything else.

I think the dems lost the right to consider themselves liberal when they started getting so damned scared at the thought of brown people voting.

Not sure either, Bart. Maybe ask your parents.

He did screw up the spelling on Antarctica.

I rock.

I think all Liberals should be shot for treachery, or even questioning how right I am.

I hate them.

I hate them

I hate them.

...
...

...

My cat's breath smells like cat food!

Shot for treachery?

Yes, and hang them for Witchcraft!
Mwahahahaha.

I think all Liberals should be shot for treachery, or even questioning how right I am.

Sure thing, Moby.

Obviously none of the comments here in my name following the one where I said "that was too easy" are mine, nor are the obscene ones in Mr Murrow's name his. However, I'm not too sure about ace. Deep waters, is all I can say.

Ace did admit the other day that he frequently posts under other aliases.

He posted as Lauraw on the Dick Cheney thread.

Thanks, Andrea.

I would add, though, that the posts in which Proud Liberal Vet claims to love the virtues of man-on-man action are all authentic.

There's a reason he uses the name "proud" liberal vet, if you know what I mean.

I don't frequenlty post under other aliases, and when I do it's obvious.

I posted under the names "Q" and "Dr. Zaius" in the Dick Cheney thread (along with "LauraW.")

Sometimes I post as Free Online P0ker or Pure Discount Viaggra.

PLV if you are still here please disregard that last post. I still want to suck your dick.

Grow up, PLV.

Seriously.

So you're Dr. Zaius?

Did everyone know that?
Am I the last to know this just like I was the last to know about Megan, being a, you know, a...
...girl who doesn't like boys...in that way?

Great. Just fucking great.

A fucking blog masquerade party.

I'm still pissed there were no engraved invites, Ace.

You're not going downscale on us after all these years are you?

Figures. Once you're hooked on cheap vodka and Thai hookers your sense of decorum goes right down the shitter.

Kind of like LPV's sperm.

Holy Crap! Look at the flame war I missed last night. It must have been fun.

Ace, you need to send out email alerts when a troll is getting knocked around like a pinata. It's such a blast.

By the way Edward I'm the only one who will be swallowing your manhood.

Sorry, buddy. This man belongs to one person only.

Chris Klein.

I occasionally post under other names, not the names of others who post here like ace or slublog, but stupid shit like Mickey Mantle or Ron Burgundy, and when I do I put "daveintexas@nomail.com" in the email address line.

yeah, I know. posting as George S. Patton is my retarded idea of funny

And Dave is all man, I've got to tell you. His apartment smells of rich mahogany.

All real Americans love the smell of rich mahogany!

Re: -- way the hell back up at the start of this clusterfuck of a thread - Letting the North take South Korea.

-- South Korea has a kick-ass military. The notion that the DPRK is going to just waltz in is a stretch. Part of the reason for having US Forces along the DMZ is to keep the South from saying 'fuck it' and reunifying the country on their terms.

That said, the South Koreans can't drink worth a damn - five beers on a table means four drunk South Koreans soldiers.

My fellow Korea Serving vet - Proud Liberal Vet - here's a quick Ace of Spaes Lifestyle - Korea quiz. Fwiw, I served with guys who'd been stationed in Korea since the late 60s through the 70s.

1 -- How much for a short time?
for a Long time?

If you didn't do so yourself, how much did other guys pay.

2 -- Complete the following sentences:

" You buy me ____"

" Hannah Dule ____ "

" _____ Coachy"

"Steam and _____"

"Bacchus - __"

3 -- The large heavy blankets sold by vendors were called "____ Blankets"

4 -- What were the two makes of taxi cabs in town?
How much for a ride on the base/post?
What did every taxicab have on the back shelf?

5 -- "Armed Forces ____ Network"

6 -- Give two Korea-specific euphimisms for hookers

7 -- Most nightclubs/ bars around a base had what as their lighting decoration?

8 -- What kind of beer was local to Korea?

What were the larger bottles of this beer called?

9 - What was rumored to be an ingredient of Soju?

What was the field-method for dealing with that ingredient? What did you do about it?

Korean Quiz -- My dad served in the AF during the Korean War in Korea. When I got back he said "Hey, I remember some Korean and used the worst epithet you can -- it translates as 'You mom has a bald pussy - or 'I had sex with your mom and she wasn't very good'. Anyway, here's some conversational Korean that people with six years in would know.

"Kam sa ________"

"Bali ____ "

"Maek-____"

"Shang-nome ________"

Fwiw - also, they're now allowing vets who served in Korea after the war to wear a Korea ribbon. Check with Military.com

My dad said it was a very bad idea to piss off a ROK Marine.

Yes.

Pissing off Marines in any nation's military tends to be a bad idea. Especially if you're in their home country.

Especially so if you're in the branch of the service that offers no hand-to-hand combat training, has a physical fitness standard that's laughable (1.5miles in 12 minutes), and makes you look like a bus driver in your dress uniform.

On the upside, we were the most proficient, most highly trained translators and analysts in the field.

Every once in a while some guy on base would decide to test the limits of the SOFA by fighting with a bar girl who'd (allegedly) ripped him off.

If the Koreans got to him first, he'd have the crap beat out of him before he was turned over to the US MPs

Bumper,
My take was that the ROK combat guys were pretty tough, but Korean men in general were soft. The KATUSAs at my unit were pathetic; lazy, undisciplined soldiers who couldn't quite grasp the concept of flushing toilets after they were used. I had a couple on my squad who were pretty cool, but the rest were ragbags. I do agree that if you take away N Korea's artillery and special ops guys, their military isn't much. No fuel, little food, and a crumbling command structure. S Korea still needs us to train them however. Tough as they are, a lot of ROK guys couldn' t find their way out of tunnel.
OT, but thank God for the Air Force on the peninsula; the USAF had all the best looking girls that weren't local.

Great, BumperStickerist threw down the gauntlet for PLV.

Now we're going to see obscene comments under his name. I'm not the biggest fan of banning people, but shouldn't using someone else's name to post shit they'd never say be a bannable offense?

Caveat, I suppose. If they post their real email, or their real name in the email box, I think it's fine. But last night's use of the practice got old real quick, since PLV wasn't bothering to identify himself in any way.

But I guess that's prudent - don't they always tell preteens not to give out any personal information on the web?

PLV's just listening to his momma.

In fact I'm so mad about this that if Ace doesn't find a way to close PLV down I'm out of here. I don't want Liberals to have a voice anywhere in America because they hate America, they hate vets, and most of all they hate Bush. That should not be permitted in this country.

That last post wasn't me, by the way.

Even if someone did think to use my email address.

I resent the implication that banning should be used to close down debate by opposing ideologies. I think fuckweasels that post under someone else's name are being discourteous in the extreme and such behavior should merit some sort of consequence.

Those last 4 posts were not me. This is getting out of hand.

Well, that's it. This name is history.

Back under another alias soon, I suppose. But for now, a break from this one is warranted.

Look PLV if this is you again I know I didn't say anything about people pretending to be you and it is hypocritical of me to just attack you over it. However, you have to stop or I am going to piss myself in frustration.

Ha! You guys still at this? Funny shit.

9 - What was rumored to be an ingredient of Soju?

Duh. Beagle.
Right?

What the hell is Soju? Anything like saimin?

I miss saimin.

Soju is the Val-u-Rite Vodka of Korea.

It's a clearish alcohol and tastes like you'd think a vodka/gin/splash of whiskey drink would taste. Typically you mix Soju with Coke at about a 50/50
rate. It's cheap and does the job.

The secret ingredient to Soju is formaldyhyde.

The way you prevent against, you know, blindness was to pour the first shot on the floor.

The theory being that the formaldyhyde was the lightest substance and by pouring off the first shot (onto a concrete floor, this is Korea - remember) you'd mitigate the risk of poisoning yourself.

A Soju hangover wasn't as bad as gin or whiskey. Korean Gin and Tonics were interesting in that the tonic and gin never actually mixed. You had globules of gin floating around in a class of tonic. Korean whiskey was teh suxor.

On the upside, you could buy US distilled liquor on base without any federal tax. A 750 bottle of Jack Daniels was around $6-. The downside was that was rationed. You were limited to 4 bottles per month.

On the upside, my roommate was a Mormon - so he gave me his rations.

On the downside, I think I'm now a Mormon.

Bumper,
I have to disagree that a Soju hangover is not as bad as some others. Unless "gin and whiskey" is some code for "crystal meth and Ebola laced bananas", because that is the only thing I can concieve of that would make a person feel worse than soju. I'm Irish, so I feel I can hold my liquor, but that poison made me feel like I had pulled out my eyes, wrapped them in broken glass, and shoved them back in.

Formaldyhyde?

You guys must have been desperate for a drink.

What's that Chinese stuff made from factory floor-sweepings?

That gave me a 48-hour hangover once.

PLV, I found you again! It's been SOOO long since the last time we were together. I miss the way your eyes light up when you tell me made up bullshit lies about your military service. God, I miss you, PLV.

Please come home, PLV. Mom is getting very worried about you. I know that you are at an age now when no one can tell you to put away your barbie dolls, but I am pretty sure Dad is gonna take away your Magic(tm) cards when you get home.

So, PLV, please come home. I don't know how long I can go without playing "dirty doctor" with you. I bought a real military uniform, so next time, you can be the NEOCON JOOO LOVING BRAINWASHED RETHUGLICAN, and I'll be the liberal media, who spreads lies and disinformation about the real state of the war, so when I fuck you in the ass this time, it will less of a roleplay and more of a reinactment.

Yours forever,
Major General Micah Wright

Not so much desperate for a drink as calculating the odds of going blind versus drinking skunked OB or Heineken beer. Also, formaldyhyde wasn't the *main* ingredient just a preservative or something ....

UG - I'm guessing YOU didn't pour off the top shot or made the mistake of drinking it straight. :)

Anywho -

1 -- How much for a short time? $5
for a Long time? $10-20

2 -- Complete the following sentences:

" You buy me ____" drinkee / juicey

" Hannah Dule ____ " Set

" _____ Coachy" Roachy

"Steam and _____" Cream

"Bacchus - __" D .. (a Red Bull like 5 ounce drink that tasted like cough syrup. If you could read Korean, which I could, the first two ingredients are "Caffeine" and 'Nicotine" Two Bacchus-Ds could tame most Soju hangovers.

3 -- The large heavy blankets sold by vendors were called "____ Blankets" Mink.

4 -- What were the two makes of taxi cabs in town?
Daewoo and Hyundai

How much for a ride on the base/post? 75 cents

What did every taxicab have on the back shelf?
Box of kleenex

5 -- "Armed Forces ____ Network"
Korea

6 -- Give two Korea-specific euphimisms for hookers

Hammers / Yobos

7 -- Most nightclubs/ bars around a base had what as their lighting decoration?

Christmas lights

8 -- What kind of beer was local to Korea?
OB

What were the larger bottles of this beer called?
Combat

9 - What was rumored to be an ingredient of Soju?

the above mentioned formaldyhyde. And, again, it wasn't the main ingredient. I'm not really sure what the main ingredient was.

But you could mix it with Peach or Grape Oscar (a sort of Kool-Ade Asti Spumanti and come up with something fairly drinkable.

.

Hey General how you doing? Have you been out dragging your cheap ass around the streets again, begging for crack?

Proud Liberal Vet, how could you cheat on me with the General?

I thought we had something special!

You're on the couch tonight, buddy boy, and you can just forget about the ass-plug I promised you for Christmas.

Klein you were so drugged out you didn't realize that was my bulldog you were screwing. I just let it go since you seemed so happy to be getting fucked for the first time in your life.

That was your dog?

Well in that case, can I take him home?

He was a much better fuck than you.

You and the General are going to need to argue over that. The dog is scratching a lot these days too so he may not want to go the crack whore route again.

Hey, man, I'm not here to hold hands and babysit. The General's got to come to the table with something.

I don't placate.