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November 18, 2005
Warren (Junior) College Issues Statement About Treason-Promoting ProfIt's the first thing that pops up when you click on their url. The college president takes a firm stand on first amendment rights... for the professor, not for the student who Daly attempted to silence. Dr. Austin, college president stated, "I firmly believe every employee and student has first amendment rights, no matter how repugnant I personally find Mr. Daly's statements. Our attorneys have advised us of our obligation to follow state laws, board policies, and college due process in regards to any personnel matter. We are now investigating this matter further." Thanks to Tony. posted by Ace at 10:54 AM
CommentsSounds like the proper response to me. Of course if Prof. Daly actually follows up on his promise to make life difficult for this student, then they can his ass. Actions are distinct from speech. We conservatives "get" this. Posted by: benjamin on November 18, 2005 11:00 AM
Uhhh, while they're making it clear that Daly won't have his free speech rights "chilled," they could have sort of made a promise that students won't have their rights chilled by treasonous Marxist professors, too. Posted by: ace on November 18, 2005 11:06 AM
I guess I thought they did. I have no doubt that they are siding with the prof on this one for ideological reasons; it just also happens that they conveniently have the law on their side, too. Unless they're able to terminate him "at will," I don't see how they can take any action against him. Not that they would. Posted by: benjamin on November 18, 2005 11:12 AM
Someone needs to research the college's rules and regulations and see what kind of hate speech and respect for diversity rules this Adam Henry has violated. Posted by: Steve on November 18, 2005 11:12 AM
Hate speech laws are so much more fun (in a petty and vindictive way) now that liberals are so openly full of hate. Posted by: benjamin on November 18, 2005 11:14 AM
Here's the good professor's email, in part: "Your literature and signs in the entrance lobby look like fascist propaganda and is extremely offensive." A bully, and an edyoukator, too.
Posted by: bledsoe on November 18, 2005 11:14 AM
Here's something from the University student handbook: The primary responsibility of the College community is to create conditions that provide beneficial educational experiences and an atmosphere of mutual respect for the rights and opinions of individuals or groups as long as such expression does not infringe upon the rights of others. The purpose of this statement is to list the provisions necessary to secure and respect conditions conducive to the freedom to learn.Guess only one side needs to show respect for the opinions of others. Posted by: Slublog on November 18, 2005 11:21 AM
If you're talking about not firing him, yes, I'm sure the law is on that side. But they position they seem to be taking is they have to be very careful about even censuring him, as this would infringe on his free speech rights, by "chilling" those rights. If that's the position they're taking -- free speech may be "chilled" by simple expressions of administrative displeasure -- it would seem to me the student in question is likewise the "victim" of such "chilling," and yet not a peep about scrupulously protecting her rights. Posted by: ace on November 18, 2005 11:23 AM
I guess the fault is mine for sitting here wishing he'd be fired and not considering the censure angle. Posted by: benjamin on November 18, 2005 11:25 AM
This "free speech for professors" notion is becoming a standard strategy. In South Park Republicans, your pal Brian Anderson decribed a similar case at Columbia or CUNY, where Jewish students complained about bullying and intimidation by professors, who singled them out in class, made anti-Israel statements, and engaged in other obnoxiousness. The ACLU promptly stepped in--representing the professors. In fact, I'll bet that's where these Warren College tools got the idea. Thanks again, ACLU! We owe you big time. Posted by: utron on November 18, 2005 11:29 AM
If he had been threatening her in the same way concerning sex, he would have been sumarily executed in front of the campus NOW committee, and if he had threatened her as a superior which he did, to broadcast her name were she to abort his child from said hypothetical she he would be openly cashiered. Were she to enlist in the military following his forceful "guidance" he would be a hero, were she to depict the numerous instances of "date rape" that occur as "mutualy consentual sex while under the influence" she would be seen as a gender traitor. But Since he is a superior, and she is most definately a junior, and since it involves politics, it is okay for the "mentor" to be a TOR"mentor" IDIOCY and HYPOCRACY of the left. Posted by: Douglas on November 18, 2005 11:33 AM
It is difficult to fire a tenured professor. The vast majority of these cocksuckers think alike anyway. And it's only going to get worse. These liberal assholes actually think that conservatives are not intelligent enough to become tenured faculty, which is why there are so few. Good on ya there Professor Dickhead. I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with prejudice, black balling, or the idea that colleges are a breeding ground for maggots like you and conservatives rightly don't care to spend their time listening to pompous horseshit all day long. Posted by: compos mentis on November 18, 2005 11:39 AM
You guys are hilarious. An annoying student at a rinky-dink JC spams the entire faculty (all 100 or so! (wow.)) and a part-time adjunct instructor nuttily replies via his personal email and OMG, y'all are "filled with heart-ache at such gobsmacking vileness". Yeah, this ranks right up there with the whole Ward Cleaver episode. Keep up the good work. I know, it's hard... Oh, yeah... keep referring to the guy as a Professor even though no one else does... makes sound like you've got an actual story. Posted by: izzadem on November 18, 2005 12:08 PM
Izzadem, It just illustrates, as your response does, that your supposed vigilance in protecting free speech from "chilling" is highly selective. You want to silence your critics. That simple. Posted by: ace on November 18, 2005 12:15 PM
You know what's even funnier? Your lame attempt at humor. Posted by: Edward R. Murrow on November 18, 2005 12:15 PM
"I firmly believe every employee and student has first amendment rights, no matter how repugnant I personally find Mr. Daly's statements." Funny, isn't it, how these statements always tacitly support silencing the party whose opinions the speaker doesn't "find repugnant?" Posted by: Nate B. on November 18, 2005 12:21 PM
*YAWN* She was probably one of those neo-con cryptofascists who needed to be slapped down. You can't just let them talk and assemble and hang posters and stuff. Posted by: lauraw on November 18, 2005 12:25 PM
The left doesn't have a double standard when it comes to free speech; it's just that any speech a lib disagrees with is ipso facto "hate speech" and thus not subject to the First Amendement. Posted by: on November 18, 2005 12:35 PM
It just illustrates, as your response does, that your supposed vigilance in protecting free speech from "chilling" is highly selective. My critics? What are you talking about? And I have no desire to silence you. Where do you get that from? Just excercising my free speech in pointing out how silly this I think this is. By all means, keep talking! And Lauraw, the only threat this part-time adjunct instructor issued, was that he would continue to exercise his free speech in opposition to hers. But you guys are threatened by that. Why do you hate America so much? Posted by: on November 18, 2005 12:50 PM
And Lauraw, the only threat this part-time adjunct instructor issued, was that he would continue to exercise his free speech in opposition to hers. Ah, the time honored attempt to minimize the man's position in an attempt to minimize his power over the students. It's not like he's a full prof. or anything, no he's part-time adjunct. And anyway, what's the problem with a man, with so little power remember, calling a students displays fascist. I mean she is a dirty right-winger after all. And really, it's not a threat when you tell someone that you are going to attempt to make it so that the person won't want to show their face around these here parts anymore, that's just truth to power stuff. Jeez guys, a little perspective here. Posted by: Defense Guy on November 18, 2005 01:04 PM
Ah, the time honored attempt to minimize the man's position in an attempt to minimize his power over the students. And what you all are doing is "the time-honored attempt to maximize the man's position in an attempt to maximize his percieved power over the students"? Not a full prof? Please, not only is he not a full prof, he's only a part-time instructor without a Ph.D at a rinky-dink JC with a total faculty of about 100. Listen, this woman decided to spam faculty emails with her political agenda. I would think/hope that she's a grown-up and can take care of herself. But perhaps you don't. Maybe you were 'mind-raped' by a somewhat unbalanced, yet strangely powerful adjunct instructor of english while you were attending a community college? Posted by: izzadem on November 18, 2005 01:18 PM
My grades in college had the same effect on my GPA whether they were given by a full professor or a part-timer. Posted by: Lipstick on November 18, 2005 01:27 PM
Listen, this woman decided to spam faculty emails with her political agenda That's incorrect, her email was: announcing the appearance of decorated Iraq war hero, Lt. Col. Scott Rutter, on Thursday, November 17 to discuss America’s accomplishments in Iraq. the only threat this part-time adjunct instructor issued, was that he would continue to exercise his free speech in opposition to hers. This is also incorrect. What he said he would do was: Daly told Rebecca that he will ask students in his English and writing classes to boycott the event and also vowed “to expose [her] right-wing, anti-people politics until groups like [Rebecca’s] won’t dare show their face on a college campus.”In short, he was threatening to use his official position to purge the campus of 'right-wing, anti-people politics.' That's a few steps beyond 'exercising his free speech.' Posted by: geoff on November 18, 2005 01:29 PM
Izzadem, you are so transparent. Your argument is that Daly is a nobody, and he didn't say anything wrong, AND it was the student's fault for spamming Daly in the first place. You claim we are overreacting yet you feel compelled to do damage control for the professor and attempt to spin the story to point fault at the student. Why are you so scared of this story, Izzadem? Posted by: Bart on November 18, 2005 01:48 PM
Iz- Posted by: rickinstl on November 18, 2005 02:05 PM
Hmmm. So, we're OK with a right-wing professor responding thusly to an event announcement: By calling certain student posters 'communist and anti-american,' going on a long winded, pointless, and and ferocious diatribe about the evils of liberals and factoids about Stalin and how America keeps saving the world from these assholes, and telling her he will do everything in his power to make sure her feminist/gay rights group is driven from campus. Are we OK with that now, izzadem? How would you feel if that was your kid being threatened by such a reactionary creep? And what does it matter if he's a professor or an administrator or the janitor? Wrong is wrong. Posted by: lauraw on November 18, 2005 02:24 PM
Like a typical intellectual lightweight izzadork, you fail to consider the possibility that the shield known as alcohol prevented all attempts at mind raping me. Posted by: Defense Guy on November 18, 2005 02:26 PM
I tried to open the link to read the President's full statement, but it appears to be password protected. Is anyone else having this problem? Posted by: The Comish (sic) on November 18, 2005 02:32 PM
telling her he will do everything in his power to make sure her feminist/gay rights group is driven from campus. Are we OK with that now, izzadem? *crickets* Posted by: lauraw on November 18, 2005 02:46 PM
Sorry lauraw, I'm not sitting on this website reloading the comments. Yeah, I'm absolutely OK with that - it's his/her right to say whatever dumb-ass thing he/she wants and attempt by whatever legal means are available, to influence public opinion and and institutional policy. Of course I don't want my child harassed, but I think you are blurring the lines on what a real threat is. I hope that by the time she is of college age, my daugter is strong enough to stand on her own if she chooses to engage in politics (I hope she doesn't, I'm just fine with her current goal at age 4 to be a chef/singer/basketball player) or any sort of activism or debate, that she will know her rights and the rights of others. Physical threats are another matter entirely, as are criminal actions. But there's no evidence of that here that I can see. Just a oaf of a guy saying (however idiotically) that he is ready to compete in the marketplace of ideas in order to drive out a competing product/philosophy. When the part-time, adjunct instructor of English goes into a backroom meeting with the JC president to prohibit the students rights to express herself or for her group to gather or bring speaker to campus based on her political views, or any other inappropriate criteria, and is successful, circumventing college policy and/or what laws may apply. Then you have something legitimate to bitch about. whew. Posted by: izzadem on November 18, 2005 05:26 PM
I find that attitude refreshing from a lefty, izzadem, if its true. Realistically, if a professor did *promise* (we won't say threaten) to do everything in their power to expel some lefty group from campus, his resume would be in the mail the next day and his ass would be in court the day after that. This is why we have groups like FIRE. And Students for Academic Freedom. They're basically our ACLU for kids who are continually shat upon because they aren't marxists. Posted by: lauraw on November 18, 2005 09:48 PM
Funny how the side that keeps authoring speech codes is suddenly concerned about freedom of speech again. Posted by: VRWC Agent on November 19, 2005 06:54 PM
Just a oaf of a guy saying (however idiotically) that he is ready to compete in the marketplace of ideas in order to drive out a competing product/philosophy. Except that he was going to ask his classes to boycott the appearance. That's an abuse of his position as well as bringing his political views into the classroom. This is not a free speech issue, this is a professor using his position to harrass a student organization. I think we have something legitimate to bitch about. Posted by: geoff on November 19, 2005 07:04 PM
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