And these morons are supposed to be a part of a political movement populated by more highly educated, more nuanced, and let's just face it, plain ol' better people than those of us living in Jeebusland???

God, you know, I can take a lot, I really can, but being condescended to by these retards on a daily basis is just about the limit.

No to be a complete ass, but how much flack do think MR. White gets as a spokesman for the NAACP?

I use to think they shocked because they were nuts and oblivious to the offense the caused. Now, I think they do it on purpose.

The thing is, Rove does it all with brainwaves. He doesn't have to say anything; the brainwaves go out, and the moonbats go crazy.

And he can penetrate aluminum foil up to 3mm thick when he concentrates, so even their hats can't keep him out.

Yeah but at least chicken tastes like chicken, people taste gamey

I was thinking of all kind of illogical animal / human juxtapose.

1. Lion head down and disaboweling a Zebra /Peta celebrity Pamela Anderson head down giving Tommy Lee a hummer.

2. Spiders wrapping their prey with silk and sucking the insides out / PETA members wrapped in plastic (as posted previously by Ace. )

3. Monkeys flinging poo / Peta members throwing fake blood.

4. Python swallowing a rat / Michael Moore eating anything or see #1 above.

August, you obviously aren't preparing them properly. Try brining.

I know it sounds difficult at first, but you have to think outside the box. I use a 55-gal barrel partially submerged in the salt marshes of the Meadowlands.

Happy tailgating!

Hmm. First NARAL has to walk back an ad campaign. Now PETA too.

This is a brave, brave new world.

Now, that was funny, August.

I'm always amazed when the left does stuff like this. They have absolutely NO self-awareness. They're utterly clueless about how they expose themselves as total hypocrites when they display their unconscious racism and sexism. It's truly pathological.

CraigC -- I don't think PETA is racist. I think they just hate humans more than any other animal.

It also reminds me of (non-PETA) people who wear fur, who draw the line at fur taken from fetal lambs. Most likely, the people wearing the trendy kind of clothes these cater to are pro-abortion for people. Just not animals.

Weird. Well, unless they hate people, in which case it makes sense.

PETA's logic is all wrong. I don't agree with them at all.

But their loopiness is no excuse for conservatives to dismiss all concern about cruelty to animals as leftist silliness. That's the same as pro-abortion people dismissing all pro-life concerns by pointing out that some "pro-lifers" have murdered abortionists. It's an intellectually dishonest dodge of an uncomfortable issue. Conservatives mock PETA with such frequency and enthusiasm because it's easier than dealing with nasty truths that demand answers. Sometimes the right can be just as bad as the left, and this isue is a perfect example of that. (With a few praiseworthy exceptions, such as Rick Santorum.)

Here's an article about cruelty to animals by Matthew Scully, former speech-writer for George W. Bush:

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_05_23/cover.html

I don't know how you can say that, Meep. What else would you call comparing the lynching of a black man to the death, however cruel, of a cow? It's an absolutely stunning example of callous indifference to a group of people that the left pretends to champion. They don't even see their own racism. It may be the variety of racism exemplified by an old black joke about how so-and-so isn't a racist, but if he sees a cross burning on someone's lawn, he might stop to toast a marshmallow on it, but in some ways, that kind of paternalistic view of black people is worse, and more insidious than the overt kind.

OT, SJKevin. The discussion isn't about animal cruelty, it's about PETA's exploitation of black people to further their own ends.

PETA is trying to anthropomorphize animals so that people feel empathy for their mistreatment. But it's a stupid idea, in part because it can too easily be interpreted as animalizing humans (which is why this is offensive), and also because animals are not equivalent to humans, making their whole point easy to dismiss as being based on a falsehood.

CraigC -- they could compare modern slaughterhouses to the Armenian genocide. They could compare them to the Rwandan genocide or Sudanese genocide or Bosnian genocide or...

They =have= compared them to the Holocaust.

This has nothing to do with being racist. This has everything to do with them thinking animals = people.

If there were a huge massacre of (non-Jewish) white people, you can bet PETA would compare slaughterhouses to that. PETA loves animals more than people. Period. It's not that they think black people are animals, it's that they think all people are less than animals.

Yes, this is highly offensive. It's highly offensive because people are worth more than animals. And it's highly offensive because no one wants to be considered less than an animal.

Meep that makes them the ultimate racist. Hatred of the Human race.

I doubt that many PETA members hate the human race. It's not as if they're calling slavery a good thing. PETA's main problem is that they talk about animals as if they were equivalent to humans.

You're missing my point, Meep. Or maybe we're coming at the same thing from different angles. Even if I concede that it wasn't racist--which I don't, I just think it was the garden-variety liberal paternalistic type--the fact that they could use the suffering of blacks as a comparison betrays an almost unbelievable cluelessness and lack of thought about what they were doing.

It's not as if they're calling slavery a good thing.

With due respect thats the second time I did not get the logic of your statements SJKevin. It may just be me. Of course they hate everything about slavery as it was an evil human trait as much as the butchering of animals for food. It is humans that have destroyed the forests, ruined the atmosphere and poisoned the waters. Humans are the cause of all suffering in the world. That is self hate that fills some of them with so much guilt that it can actually make them physically ill.

OK, Dman, I'll try to be clearer.

You're describing a world-view of somebody who hates humanity but loves nature. Such a world-view is consistent with PETA's behavior. Therefore, you assume that this is the worldview that PETA members hold.

In my criticism of PETA above, I offer a different world-view of somebody who does not hate humanity, but who mistakenly tries to elevate animals to the level of humans. Such a world-view is also consistent with PETA's behavior.

I think it's a mistake to attribute the worst possible motives to people just because you disagree with them. (Especially since I have met people involved with PETA and other groups, and many of them are actually nice people.) Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity, and so on. In other words, please consider the possibility that many of those people do not actually hate humanity, but are merely misguided in their thinking about animals, or about what will cause people to stop being so cruel to animals.

Does this make sense?

PETA's philosophy, and the philosophies of most animal rights organizations, are based on the writings of Princeton Professor Peter Singer.

Peter Singer believes that the lives of certain handicapped people and infants are "unworthy", and that they can (and probably should) be euthanized. He believes that the lives of infants are worth less than the lives of chimpanzees.

The Germans say that Singer's philosophy comparable to a Nazi practice of murdering "unworthy life"

Singer also believes that humans and animals might be able to have "mutually satisfying" sexual relationships.According to Wikipedia, PETA supports Singer on this.

I'm not really sure what restrictions Princeton Professor Singer puts on sex with animals - ungulates but not rodents? Vertabrates but not invertebrates? However I may be giving him too much credit. He doesn't seem to place any restrictions at all on sex with animals. Neither does PETA

PETA is pro-murder, pro-infanticide and they really, really love nature. PETA is a perfect example of how leftism, and utopian ideals of state-enforced equality can lead to lunacy. Making fun of them is the very least we can do.

My Brasilian wife is always amazed (and sometimes nausiated) as people in NYC always seem to go "coco for Cocoa Puffs" whenever any sees a dog in the street. All the ooggling and agggling is enough to set really make one ill. Having been to Brasil I can understand her feelings as there dogs are treated as they should be, like dogs. They arent fawned over like they are here. Ive seen more ppl treat dogs in the street better than most other people, its pretty sad. I cant imagine a PETA member surviving in Brasil they just dont accept that kind of crap.

Yeah, Peter Singer is a nutcase all right. In Matthew Scully's book Dominion, he talks a bit about Peter Singer and what's wrong with his world view. Read Scully if you want an honest, intelligent, and conservative look at animal cruelty issues. I highly recommend this book.

Most animal advocates are not the lunatics they're made out to be. They're frustrated and desperate at society's inexcusable indifference, and it often clouds their judgement. Most of the people involved do not believe in infanticide, bestiality, or anything crazy like that. You can tell yourself they do if it makes you feel good, but I doubt you've actually met many of them.

They're frustrated and desperate at society's inexcusable indifference, and it often clouds their judgement.

Is that why every PETA branch recommends Singer's works? Is that why they call his books their "Bible"?

I have met PETA activists, and yes, they are the zealots and lunatics they're made out to be.

You wrote "and the philosophies of most animal rights organizations". Check out the Humane Society.

Most people involved in trying to end animal cruelty are not motivated by any weird abstract principles. They're motivated by simple compassion.

"This has nothing to do with being racist. This has everything to do with them thinking animals = people."

Gotta disagree. The Armenian genocide, etc., aren't analogies in the same way. Slavery was *exploitation* of human labor, not just cruelty to humans; PETA can't abide exploitation of animal - well, not labor, but animal bodies.

PETA equation: Exploitation of black labor = exploit. of animal labor
Corrolary: black humans = animals in some "higher truth" or "bigger picture" or "radical consciousness."

This would be creepy if it weren't so funny - or is that the other way around?

Oh, and an ex-roommate of mine dropped off the grid and joined the ALF about 6 years ago.

Scary stuff.