My money is on Wilson-Plame as Miller's source.

el rushbo has been saying the same thing, the NYT started this mess and now have themselves in a corner with j miller, bee-u-ti-ful!!!

Don't drink alone, Ace. Nothing good can come of it.

It's actually easier to see how Wilson/Plame could have spilled the beans to Miller (via Kristof) than how Karl Rove could have learned of Plame's secret identity.

I still think the best bet is that it was not secret and was the subject of a lot of scuttlebutt.

Ace, you know I love you man (in a non-lavender way), and I know you loaded this one on the front-end with all sorts of qualifiers and "just speculations" and "what ifs" and "take-this-with-a-ton-of-salt"..

But.

But.

But...

I usually only expect to find this quality of conspiracy theory on Kos, DU, and Indymedia.

On substance, I can only echo Allah (I miss you! Come back!).

On style - Ace, it's "she herself" if you simply must use the reflexive, and it's "fraught", not "frought."

Sorry. Mom e-mailed me this morning, calling my attention to the fact that I'd left in a noun/verb disagreement in the second para of my latest essay. I'm feeling hyper-sensitive.

If we're placing bets I'm going with some kind of a Powell-Fleischer parley. Okay, Fleischer if I have to committ.

No, Powell. Remember? The source was "no partisan gunslinger". Has to be Powell. That's my bet.

I don't think the Times will collapse. But I do have this wonderful mental image of thousands of journalists and editors wandering aimlessly through the streets, no longer able to take their cues from the NYT front page.

Mmmmm, zombie reporters...

I've suspected Joseph Wilson for quite a while. He seems the braggart type and those personalities can't keep anything quiet. He may not have told Judity Miller directly, but he likely told his neighbors, the cashier at the grocery store, every waiter at every restaurant he's frequented, etc.

-Michael McCullough (Stingray blog)

The only important thing is how many full body cavity searches is Judith Miller subjected to a week.

Keep sipping man...I've read this now in too many places to just discount it all together.

I think Wilson is the NYT's source. He has all the sober gravitas of...George Costanza.

If you create a flowchart of the connections of all involved it will be obvious that the source of the leak was Jack Ruby.

"Out on a limb speculation here. Complete bullshit off-the-cuff stuff. Discount greatly."

Isn't this what should appear at the top of every page of the New York Times?

Nothing wrong with speculation, it's when you start claiming it's true is when you run into problems with credability. As the left and the media are finding out.

Ok, for purposes of the pool:

Novak's original source: Powell.

Miller's Source: Plame and Tenet. (Toss in Powell for good measure)

Rove's Source: Miller (and WH scuttlebutt from State Dept. memo)

I've seen Hillary mentioned a number of times. On one hand, I think it's wishful thinking, but having seen it numerous places, either there may be something there, or it is often repeated because of wishful thinking. I wonder whether we will find out. I believe Miller can come out of prison something like 60 days after the investigation is finished. She just has to wait it out unless the investigation will be ongoing until she 'fesses up.

I think this will have repercusions if Rove is completely innocent, he is pretty clear of the most serious charges against him. I think the media did rush into this full charge without checking it out first. It's easy to do when they are stuck in an echo chamber and have a political party that is as insane as they are to go along for the ride with them.

I really do think that the internet, and blogs have really put a dent in their ability to sucker the public into their bullshit. I think they are probably starting to see that now as well.

Will it be the end of the times, I doubt it, but their reputation is still shrinking, along with their subscription numbers.

(Note to the moonbats.....see, this is called speculation, sane debate, we do not come out of the corner demanding resignations on the mere whiff of unsubstantiated wrongdoing)

Yes, this theory seems highly improbable, but is it any more ridiculous and stupid as what CBS and Dan Rather did?

I have a very hard time believing that Judith Miller would sit in jail to protect Karl Rove, particularly after he gave her written permission to talk.

I also have a hard time believing that this is a stand on principle. Sorry, I guess I'm just cynical that way.

I think that Rove and the White House know that the identity of the leaker, if uncovered, is someone who would greatly embarrass the Times and maybe the Democratic Party as well. This all looks like another case of rope-a-dope to me.

Time will tell. Or maybe not. Is it possible that this will never be resolved?

Bush's administration seems to have little appetite for prosecuting the opposition even when they so richly deserve it.

This may well just blow over.

It's time to start using "scare quotes" whenever we use the word "LEAK" in connection with the Plame affair. MSM needs to be taken to task for calling the Plame case a "leak" when it has not been shown that a "leak" actually occurred. It is unknown whether the release of Plame's identity was an intentional breach of secrecy ("leak"), or even whether Plame's identity was a secret at all, and if so, at what point it became public.

People! This is obviously instigated by Rove... only he and Novak knew that Rove heard it from Novak. Rove let Cooper assume whatever he wanted, then released him from any implied confidentiality agreement, then let him dig his hole, and now"GOTCHA!"

Just. Friggin'. Beautiful.

I hope Ace extinguished his cig before he passed out on the keyboard.

The New York Times is guilty of a far, far worse leak.

One year ago, the arrest of AQ computer guy Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan was allowing the good guys to roll up his end of the terrorist network. But this was cut short -- for obvious reasons -- when the Times went to press with Khan's name.

Well it turns out that Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan's network was the one originally planning the London subway bombings -- as well as attacks on Citicorp and Prudential in the US. The guys who actually carried out 7/7 (one of whom, confusingly, is also named Mohammed Khan) seem to have been the leftovers/backups from that network, connected to the original plan but not captured at the time.

So the question is: is the New York Times responsible for the London bombers still having been free? Do they have the blood of hundreds on their hands?

btw, Josh Poulson put 2 and 2 together on this first

Actually, if I remember correctly (I blogged it a while ago), Miller and/or her sometime partner (forget the man's name) actually *CALLED THE TERRORIST "CHARITY"* in question right before a raid to ask if they had any comment on the fact that the FBI was about to raid their offices, right?

There's a lot of speculation that Miller is in jail not over the Plame leak, but over failing to reveal the source that precipitated *that* incident.

BETE NOIR

You're wrong, it doesn't mean black beet. Check babelfish. It means you are wagering your stake on a flush, all clubs or spades.

Yup, it was the Holy Land Foundation

Ace and Slickdpdx,

It's actually bete noire, one must add an e to the end of noir to make it agree with the noun: bete. It may have been dropped as it became into common english usage.

Anyway, it means black beast , not beet, as in something to be avoided. It's not intended to be racial, it's black as in evil. And yes, I'm ashamed to have so much knowledge of the cowardly language of Frogs. Spanish class was full when we signed up for foreign language in high school.

Ace, I'd guess you'd want to pass on any black beets that you found on your dinner plate, too!

Okay, let's get this straight:

I provide a lot of "helpful translations" on this site.

They're goofs, guys.

"per annum" is not latin for "for each annum," it means "for each year."

"oevure" is not French for "soft eggs."

I make this crap up.

And yeah, I missed the "e" at the end (and also the little hat the first e in bete is supposed to wear), but I know it means "black beast," or, less literally, "sworn enemy; ultimate nemesis."

I'm a moron, but not the level of moron I represent.

C'mon.

Puleeze. Apparently everyone and their plumber knew that Plame worked for the CIA.

As for the NYT, it can't be killed. Even given the standard vampire treatment (holy water, wooden stake, cutting off head, removing heart, burning whole thing) would not kill that beast off. It is clearly some kind of alien life form that we have no weapons against.

"I'm a moron, but not the level of moron I represent." - ace

I don't know about that - earlier today you gave a gratuitous link and ergo traffic to your non- bete non-traffic noire santa.

On a lighter note, wouldn't it be great if the nyt did fold and/or the sulzbergers' fortune were paid to all the Ukrainians, Jews, Cambodians etc. whose deaths the nyt enabled at least in part..

And as a bonus, the rest of the msm and the chattering classes of Manhattan would have to fall silent as their talking points would no longer be written for them.

The moonbats have been yapping for years now about Rove being an evil genius. Yet, they think he is stupid enough to make this dumb mistake. Moonbats, sheesh.

I had four years of Latin in high school (commence laughing if you will, but it was an easy A) and I figured Ace was playing dumb with his "per annum" bit.

I also took some French for shits and giggles. Just FYI... Baton Rouge translates to City of the Twirling Red Make-Up Applicator.

.... or Greasy Hell-Hole.

Could never remember which.

Sorry, Ace. I shoulda known you was just funnin' us.

...and the little hat is a circumflex.

Hmmm, sounds like the exercise equipment used to get in shape for a bris.

I don't think the paper of Walter Duranty would go down for lying about something. I could swear they've done it before.

"she herself" as a subject phrase is never strictly correct. "She" is nominative; reflexives, by definition, are oblique. "Herself" used loosely as an intensive (ipse), not a reflexive (se), can go with "she" but then the whole phrase is nominative.
So, "she hit herself" = OK, but "she herself hit me" = technical foul

/intolerable pedantry

I believe "Black Beet" works perfectly when spiced up with some Plame Leeks in a delicious Traveler's Stew.

Don't forget to salt the tale of the mockingbird for added flavor.

Soooooo mnany bad puns, so little time.....

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