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June 03, 2005
Don't You Know That It's Different For Unlawful Combantants?Worth reading, even if you already get it. What is the obvious difference between an enemy Prisoner of War, and an Unlawful Combatant? Suppose two of them were standing in a line-up. What one glaringly obvious thing sets them apart? You know, I've said a thousand time to lefties: When you see a WWII movie, and a Nazi announces to our covert ops that they will be hanged as spies because they're out of uniform, did you think the screenwriters were just making that shit up? No, they weren't. A soldier wears a uniform to announce to the enemy that he is a combatant (and, of course, that those out of uniforms are not). A combatant out of uniform is, legally, a "spy" or "saboteur," and hence a common criminal, to be dealt with by criminal justice (including hanging or the firing squad), and not to be afforded the protections and privileges of soldiers actually in uniform. Now, of course, it will be pointed out by the ninnies that our covert soldiers and actual spies don't wear uniforms all the time either. True enough-- and that's part of what makes them such gutsy motherfuckers, because they know they could be tortured or killed if captured out of uniform, but they're courageous and dedicated enough to run that risk to accomplish an objective that couldn't be accomplished in uniform. The US has largely abandoned the practice of killing "spies" and "saboteurs." But we still have that right, were we not such pussified sissified twats to exercise it. But we sure as shit have the right to jail these people, and no, we don't have to afford them the full panoply of protections offered to POW's under the Geneva Conventions. Why do leftists continue to insist that these unlawful combatants be treated precisely as legal soldiers, despite the fact that they are breaking the rules deliberately in a way as to disadvantage our soldiers and greatly increase the chances of civilian deaths? Do they not comprehend -- or, perhaps, do they refuse to admit -- that legal soldiers should be given POW rights as an inducement to obey the Rules of War, and that illegal combatants should be denied such rights, also as an inducement to obey the Rules of War? Whittle then examines the mindset of such "progressives:" Why then, do so many people – most of them on the far left – so fundamentally hate humanity? A long excerpt, and I hope he doesn't mind. Worth reading in full. Thanks to TomM. Update: Why We Need Gitmo: Unclassified report on Gitmo-- who's there and why. I guess maybe it's just a popular timepiece. H/T to NickS.
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CommentsWRT to unlawful combatants, what he said. As for the second block quote--. it *did* happen to Manhattan. . . and they still don't care. They never seem to care. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on June 3, 2005 12:11 PM
I've been wondering at what looks to me like a significant uptick in the criticism of US policy w/r/t the War on Terror by the domestic media. Is it possible they sense a recognition on the part of the country as a whole that as difficult as it is in Iraq, there is no way we are going to lose the larger War or cut and run with W in office. And, having sensed that attitude, they realize that the permissible bounds of criticism have widened and consequently turned up the heat in response? In other words, if Iraq was perceived by the public as not only difficult but as a possible loss, would they have enough courage to voice their true feelings? Posted by: pepys on June 3, 2005 12:57 PM
I'd like to have Bush and Rumsfeld just hand out Whittle's essay since he makes a better case than they can for why the US is right in how it is handling these unlawful combatants. In fact, hand his essay to Amnesty International and say - what is incorrect? Please mark it up with your alternate world-view and the Amnesty In'tl response will be posted all over the planet in newspapers and the blogosphere. The sorry fact of Amnesty In'tl is that it is a liberal organization with limited popular support but LOVED by the US and Euro elites and Foundations. The Euro elites hate it - but the common folk there who are blocked from voting in most important matters - finally had their crack at the elites with the EU Constitution referandum votes. They also - to the amazement of Americans who think Euros are timid poofs - hate Muslim immigration, Bob Geldorf, Amnesty In'tl, are pro-death penalty - and would say so if they were allowed the vote. In America the elites band together to prevent popular vote on less issues than Europe. Immigration, corporate crony welfare...but Americans actually have a real say in many matters with their vote that average Euros don't. The day is coming when the 5th Column that supports the radical Islamist enemy, any enemy, over hated America, hated white oppressors, & Western Civilization will collapse like a house of cards. That includes most of the MSM organs set up by leftists, groups like the ACLU and Amnesty International. Just a few more Muslim attacks....and more circulation will dry up, and the Foundations and wealthy Leftists that underwrite the ACLU and Amnesty will be getting high-intensity scrutiny.. Posted by: Cedarford on June 3, 2005 01:26 PM
I was just thinking of that Joe Jackson song, for the first time in years, walking down the sunny Berkeley hippie-ridden street the other day. "I know a lot of things that Posted by: Knemon on June 3, 2005 01:46 PM
I understand the points, however, I must point out that spies are not "common criminals." Would you call the folks at the CIA and military intelligence common criminals? These people risk their lives, reputations, and even sometimes inadventantly put their family and friends in danger, all to bring us information that allows us to combat these terrorists. The reason unlawful combatants are bad is because they are terrorists who would use information/civilian to harm anyone who disagrees with their ideology, peaceful or not. Guerrilla warfare and espionage are not just tools of insurgents, they are also used by the United States and our allies-- and without it we probably wouldn't even be a country right now. Our spies collect intelligence to stop the destruction of civilians, their spies conduct espionage to kill all who get in their way. The "common criminal" distinction lies not in in the classification "spy", but in the who the spy is spying for, and why they are spying. Posted by: Amy on June 3, 2005 01:54 PM
Not that I disagree with the overall point, but uniforms do serve a sort of protective function by reducing incidents of friendly fire. For instance, the Pat Tillman incident started when soldiers mistook Afghan friendlies, with no uniform, for enemies. Posted by: Some Guy on June 3, 2005 04:27 PM
It's a very romantic idea to imagine one's self to be a brave dissident pitted helplessly against a tyrannical regime. An American leftist must be insanely jealous of the Poles, or Romanians, or authors imprisoned in dictatorships like Burma, Egypt or Iran. How it must kill them inside to know they live in America, the freest country in the history of the world, and their brave dissent earns them not the romantic prison cell of their imagined movie biography, but a tenured professorship at Bumfuck University, making six figures and repeating the same lectures year after year to adoring students. Of course, something tells me that the fantasy of that prison cell is much more romantic than the cell itself, were the possibility there. So they wind up their brains and say to themselves: "You know, I don't live in a free country; I live in a dictatorship. America is not a force for good at all in the world; we're an imperialist hegemon....I really am a brave dissident!" It's the best of both worlds, all the glory and adulation of a dissident from his fellow travelers but without that damn prison cell. Posted by: Ben Lange on June 3, 2005 05:01 PM
A combatant out of uniform is, legally, a "spy" or "saboteur," and hence a common criminal, to be dealt with by criminal justice... Actually, under the Geneva Convention, they're not even entitled to civilian criminal justice. They can be summarily executed without trial. Posted by: Steven Den Beste on June 3, 2005 08:41 PM
This is an awesome piece! It's perfect for an emotional part in a movie script! yet, it's not a movie, it's reality! I can easily send this to my stubborn liberal brother and seed! Made me teary and I will remember it always! My heart bleeds for the victims and their families in Iraq... Posted by: G on June 3, 2005 11:16 PM
As if on cue, the MSNBC presents yet another story of dastardly Q'uran mishandling. I swear they are having some kind of "how long can we drag this out?" contest between this and NYT Abu Ghraib tales. Posted by: Dave in Texas on June 4, 2005 10:15 AM
whatever happened to our country? we used to know the difference between right and wrong... now we're just a bunch of narcissistic appeasers who won't even control our own borders... Posted by: jtb-in-texas on June 5, 2005 11:32 AM
Al-Qaeda probably gets a volume discount on those watches. Posted by: Jim C. on June 5, 2005 11:38 PM
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