I can't decide if The Warriors is a good bad movie or just a good movie.

Good-bad, if anything (not really as big a fan as some).

It's definitely not just "good." Swann can't act, the gangs are silly, and that raven-haired chick is annoying.

If Swan can't act, why was he in Xanadu, smart guy?

Tin Cup? TIN UP? Tin Cup SUCKED! Kevin Costner is almost as bad an actor as Keanu Reeves.

I have some:

Sabrina - the remake (with Harrison Ford)
While you where sleeping
Boiler Room
Reality Bites
Tommy Boy

I think it was made for HBO, but "Dead Solid Perfect" with Randy Quaid kicks the shit out of Tin Cup for the title in best golf movie.

If Swan can't act, why was he in Xanadu, smart guy?

Touche. Well-played, my friend. Exceptionally well-played.

I thought Caddyshack was the best golf movie ever.

I agree with many of the selections listed above, in particular Big Trouble in Little China. In addition, I would suggest Lake Placid, Soldier, Tremors, and The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension might also qualify as Good Bad Movies, if they are bad enough to qualify.

The original Under Siege was had to be Seagal's best work, meaning only that the action was highly enjoyable, while the acting and plot were not 100% putrid. And it had Tommy Lee Jones, adding just a hint of respectability. The Transporter has, without question, the worst acting of any movie I own on DVD, but the chase and fight scenes are topnotch. Speaking of chase scenes, The Chase with Charlie Sheen aimed very low, but still holds my attention every time I run across it on cable.

HT, thanks for reminding me of Soldier. A really underated movie.

Escape from New York. I know, some might say it's good-good, but it was shot on a super-8 and has a spazzy Ernest Borgnine.

And the idea that Blade Trinity was better than the original is ridiculous. Ridiculous.

Blade: Trinity had 1) Dracula and 2) actual humor.

Plus, they finally killed Whistler, this time for real (I hope). I was sick of him.

As to your f/u question, have you really seen Robocop lately? I thought I love that movie, then I saw it a couple of months back and realized how abominable it really is. At first, I thought I was watching one of the horrible from the start sequals, until I saw Ronny Cox flying out the window.

I just thought of a movie I loved at the time and just rewatched it again a few months ago and thought..."what the hell..."

Dirty Dancing - I LOVED that movie when it came out, knew all the songs, dialogue, dance moves, etc. After watching it again, I realize I was a moron in my youth. Dirty Dancing really does suck.

I do remember my roommate from college thought the song She's Like the Wind was Cheese Like the Whiz - she thought the song was about Cheeze Whiz. She was dumber than me.

Who the hell would say Escape from New York was good-good?

Hell, I'm not even sure it's bad-good. Yeah, Snake Pliskin is fun to say, but the action is lame, the minor characters SUCK, the sets/locations are atrociously cheap and look nothing like New York, and the payoff is weak at best.

PS, an American President wouldn't have a British accent. Just sayin'.

Killer Clowns from Outer Space

You omitted another '80s B classic: Lifeforce.

I really don't know who the hell on the face of the earth thinks Roadhouse was an enjoyable or clever movie on any level...

You blaspheme, sir!

Actually, on a non-ironic level, Sam Elliott was cool in it. But Sam Elliott is just plain cool.

As to your f/u question, have you really seen Robocop lately?

Yeahp, I have. (Have it on DVD.) It holds up fine for me. I like just about everything about it.

It's a bit silly, sure, but it's great.

Darkstar (I've got Darkstar on the brain because I just found the theme, Benson Arizona, online the other day). The Cars That Ate Paris (AKA, Cars That Eat People). Teenagers From Outer Space. Total Recall. So many. There's a lot at Badmovies.org, it's a fun site.

Movies I initially liked, but later grew to revile:

Easy Rider
Heavy Metal
Pink Floyd's 'The Wall'
Fritz the Cat

Anyone ever see that Peter Weller/Sam Elliot action film "Shakedown"? It's really pretty damn good.

Oh, man. Heavy Metal. I don't know if I EVER actually liked it. I remember really thinking I'd like it, wanting to like it, and then...

...man, did that suck.

Haven't seen Shakedown, but Breakdown is a good-bad movie that also meets the Kurt Russell criteria you outlined.

Yeahp. That was another good Kurt Russell movie.

You know, I think he's got a pretty high percentage of good movies. He's never been in a great film (well, I think the Thing is great, but no serious critic would agree), but he's hardly ever in bad movies.

Yeah, Escape from LA. But sequels are a crapshoot. You sign up for the movie before the script is even in outline form.

Platoon. Loved it in junior high and high school. Freshman year of ROTC it was just OK.

Now, years in the Army later, I can't look at it. "You f*cking potheads, unf*ck your g*ddamn gear, fix your formation" and so on and so on. That movie is physically painful to watch. I got one of my VN vet friends pretty mad last year when I said even the Iraqis looked better than that unit, and it was so far below the 101st's league (even the 25th Division's league, the unit depicted as it was Stone's unit in VN) that it counted as a different sport.

"Well, we did things differently in Vietnam."

"No wonder you lost."

Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man

Aside from the title characters (Don Johnson's best work aside from....Tin Cup), you also have the characters:

Virginia Slim
Ol' Grandad
Jack Daniels --> played by BIG JOHN STUDD
Jimi (Hendrix)

The Big John Studd element is at least a +12

And don't forget these lines:

Marlboro: You know, that gun costs about two dollars every time you fire it. That's two bucks a bullet.

Harley Davidson: Well how many'd I hit?

Marlboro: You spent twelve dollars and didn't hit a goddamn thing. I nailed one and it cost about four and a quarter.
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Lay off my boots Harley!, I'm in no fucking mood.

Sounds like iowahawk quit doing drugs at some point.

You mentioned "They Live" earlier, and I pretty much agree with what you said. But the really cringeworthy part about that movie is its politics. I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I sure as hell don't remember there being a second Great Depression sometime in the mid 80's.

I've heard that the fight scene in the "Cripple Fight" episode of South Park is based exactly on the fight scene from "They Live," but I've never seen they side by side.

2) actual humor.

Ryan Reynolds' lines fell flat. The original Blade had the vibe. A landmark film in the pantheon of rave culture. Vampires. Techno. Sunglasses. Violence. Cool.

Escape from New York has all those bad points, but I love watching Kurt do that friggin voice and kill people. Some regard it as a classic.

Plus, the characteristic Carpenter musical score.

Wesley Snipes was also wearing some false vampire teeth in Blade III that were so bad that his speech was slurred.

I rented Executive Decision, just barely got into the movie and thought "What the F***? Seagal's in this movie?" So I turned it off and never watched it. Can't stand that guy. Years later, I find out the SOB gets killed about 2 minutes after I turned it off.

Soldier kicked ass.

Somehow I got onto a Sheen/Estevez brothers tangent. Men At Work has always cracked me up and, last time I saw Young Guns, I still found it entertaining. I guess there total lack of seriousness makes up a little bit for Martin.

I guess I've always understood "great-bad" differently than you're suggesting here. "Great-Bad" is like, sublimely bad. It achieves bad on a scale so grand, so mind-numbingly awful, it is the pinnacle of the art of bad. It doesn't just "suck", it redefines "suckiness", in a way that makes you physically and spiritually ill once you comprehend this new meaning.

It is bad at almost every level. Bad acting. Awful plot. Atrocious dialogue. Horrid direction. Think the original Ocean's Eleven and you aren't even halfway there.

Over-hyped, under-delivered, dependent upon an actor or actors, a director, a producer - people of fame who couldn't carry this bucket of shite twenty minutes if you spotted em five and a really funny cartoon.

Therefore, I present you

Ishtar

Long Kiss Goodnight - Kicks Ass.
Funny dialog with Geena Davis and Sam Jackson.
Great Stunts.
Rent it you'll be pleasantly surprised...

(I hope)

MoS

Shakes the Clown.

I own all you bastards.

How's this one, Point Break? Great shots of the Pacific's waves crashing and Bodhi's crew skydiving, well-edited heist scenes, guilty- pleasure hair- band soundtrack, and of course, the single worst actor outside of an Ed Wood movie, Keanu Reeves. Reeves' level of suckery was tolerable in this one though.
Ace, one good-good Kurt Russell movie was Dark Blue. Great performances and the story was by James Ellroy, probably best crime writer breathing.

MoS,

That's a kickass movie. "The last time I got blown candy bars cost a nickel."

Fat Kid:

I was just about to ask where fat kid and hobgoblin have been. Haven't seen you around ...or maybe I have and just didn't notice.

Bad movies I love:

Love Stinks
Lake Placid
Singles
Revenge of the Nerds
Little Shop of Horrors
Loverboy and Can't Buy Me Love (biiig Dempsey fan)
Porky's
Shag
Don Juan De Marco

there are just too many!

I must've rented the movie RUSH, with Jason Patric and Jennifer Jason Leigh about 400 times when I was in college.

Saw it again recently and immediately wished I hadn't. Awful.

Excalibur
The Last Starfighter

A dozen more good-bad movies:

The Thing
To Live and Die in L.A.
Liquid Sky
The Wild Bunch
The Little Cigars
Putney Swope
The Relic
The Beast with Five Fingers
Dead Alive
Meet the Feebles
Soylent Green
Willard

I'm with Dave in Texas on Ishtar - it's so bad that it's great. And come one, Escape from LA - you've got to love the surfing scene.

Anybody else thinks that ace fantasizes about being Goldie Hawn? Not being with Goldie Hawn, but BEING Goldie Hawn.

I thought Lost Boys was very good.

Sgt. Dan: What did you think of the unit in Saving Private Ryan?

"Roadhouse" is enjoyable because it is packed with cliches, but each cliche has a strange twist so you don't know what to expect next. Like, we understand that the rich baddie has a gallery of animals that he has hunted, to demonstrate his wealth and bloodthirstiness. Only "Roadhouse" would fill that menagerie with more animals than Noah encountered.

I guess it's that the movie is so weird that your brain doesn't know what to do with it. It is like dadaism in that respect.

Someone else mentioned "The Warriors," which has the same effect. You can't figure out what it is you are watching, exactly.

I thought about these two movies for a while (I am not proud of this fact), and then it clicked with me. Both movies feel like inept gay speculation on what heterosexual tough guys might be like. I have no idea if the men who made these movies are gay men who never met a straight guy. But it sure seems like it. The toughness and the sexuality all rings false. All of it. The tough guys all have hairless chests. They wear pink shirts or denim vests completely open in a way that no straight guy would outside of L.A. They gaze admiringly at each other. They have no idea how to interact with a woman. As if the filmmakers said to each other, "What would a straight tough guy do in this situation?" "I don't know. Grab that woman's boobs or maybe start a knife fight with one of those guys or something like that." "Yeah, that's what I was thinking."

I think caspera might be a genius. That is absolutely brilliant analysis. Dead f'n on.

Cannonball Run is greatness.

What...no mention of 'Showgirls'?

A lot of these movies aren't bad in the sense of 'Con Air' bad. They are just really off the wall...which can be quite a virtue. Take 'Zardoz' for example...it's considered a blemish on Sean Connery's acting resume, but to me it was boldly ambitious. And it has enough of Ken Russell type wierdness to make it memorable. Speaking of which, if you haven't seen 'The Devils' by Russell, by all means get an uncut (as much as possible) copy.

Best good-bad movies:

Fright Night
Deadly Friend
Purple Rain
Weird Science

I worked in a movie theater at the time all 4 were out, and I'd go into the theater playing these movies just to watch particularly amusing bad scenes. The basketball beheading of the crone in Deadly Friend is an all-time classic, and the line "You've got to have FAITH for that to work on me, Mr. Vincent!" from Fright Night was always good for a chuckle.

OK. I am not going to participate in this incredibly lame thread. I just wanted you to know that I am not absent, and have not passed out yet.

Except, Hubris is right about Roadhouse.

And Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man should not even be up for discussion. It's not a good-bad movie by any stretch of the imagination. It's a classic, right up there with Citizen Kane and Rollerball.

But, I am not going to participate in this stupid thread.

I think that movies that are so bad they are good usually are combinations of different genres or movies that are serious ending up to not so serious.

The perfect example of this is a combination of slapstick/verbal comedy and science fiction.

"Attack of The Killer Tomatoes".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080391/

This movie is actually good being a send up of low budget scifi flicks, but the dialog and acting are so bad that you just have to laugh which ends up entertaining despite the fact that it is a horrible example of film making..

Wow, that sentence just gave me a headache.

In any case, there are other examples even in TV land. "Bablyon 5's first" year couldn't possibly be considered good (except for the CGI) if only because Michael O'Hare only worthwhile emotional expression was "constipated puppy love". The FOX "Action Hour" with "Jack of All Trades" with Bruce Campbell followed by "Cleopatra 2525" with Gina Torres, Jennifer Sky and Victoria Pratt was really bad TV, but it was fairly entertaining.

Other movie candidates: "Silent Running" the scifi movie with Bruce Dern, "Spaceballs" and "Ice Pirates" would top my list.

Hmmm I'm sensing a theme here.

Anway, enjoyed the movie commentary.

OK, whilst I am not participating in this thread, I still have to give you credit for remembering Purple Rain.

Hmm...good bad:
P.C.U. - I know it sucked, but every time it comes on Comedy Central, I watch it

Demolition Man
Well, any non-Rocky I Stallone movie is either good bad or just bad

Commando (Ahhhhnold at his funniest...take it for what it is worth)

Waterboy

Caspera: You might be on to something with the gay theme in Roadhouse. It's been a long time since I saw Roadhouse, but I seem to remember a scene where one of the bad guy's tells the good guy just before the big fight scene, "I used to fuck guys like you in prison". What straight guy would write a line of dialogue like that?

I love Overboard, i actually watched it very recently. I also have to put French Kiss in the same category, i can watch that movie countless times, i know it's shite but i love it so. In terms of bad movies how about Boondock Saints - it has William Defoe in a dress.

"Beastmaster". Duh.

Worst good movie: "Gangs of New York"

Good Bad Movies:

Rambo: First Blood
Bachelor Party
Red Dawn
Red Heat
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Dirty Dozen
About Last Night
Better Off Dead
The Last Dragon ("Bruce Leroy")

Movies I loved that don't hold up:
Smokey and the Bandit
Lethal Weapon
(Team America was great in satirizing action movies of that those eras.)

Movies I liked that got bad reviews, IIRC:
Serial Mom (Kathleen Turner as a mom who murders people who don'r recycle, or who wear white shoes before Memorial Day)
Broken Arrow—John Travolta vs. Christian the perv Slater

I'm still not participating in this stupid thread, but:

Papillon

OT a bit, but...

Worst Movie Ever Made:

Nothing But Trouble

You all are lucky Tinkerbelle was here to remind you that Caddyshack is the best golf movie ever. I though Tin Cup was fine until the ending. Any golfer will immediately recognize that as physically impossible.

For me, Resident Evil currently occupies the role of "Sure, Movie X was bad, but was it Resident Evil bad?"

Repo Man is another good-bad movie. A weird premise coupled with deliberately stilted acting.

"Duke, let's go do some crimes."
"Yeah. Let's go get sushi and not pay."

"Resident Evil currently occupies the role of "Sure, Movie X was bad, but was it Resident Evil bad?""

Tim, not only is Resident Evil not the worst movie of all time, it's not even the worst video-game-based-movie of all time.

That would be "Alone in the Dark" starring Tara Reid as an anthropologist (!) and Christian Slater as ... well, some guy.

I mean, for all its faults, you'd have to agree that Milla Jovovich > Tara Reid every day of the year. Michelle Rodriguez as well.

AITD's director is Uwe Boll, who is gaining a well-deserved reputation as the Ed Wood of the 21st century. The blame for "House of the Dead" falls at his feet, and he'll soon be vomiting forth such video-game-based-titles as "Bloodrayne" (starring the Terminator 3 chick and Ben Kingsley(!) and Billy Zane (!), "Hunter: The Reckoning", and "Far Cry."

Second best great bad movie ever.

Out of Africa

Good-bad movies?

Better Off Dead - "I want my two dollars!" 80s music, a cool car and that guy from Moonlighting

Army of Darkness- The special effects were cheesy, the acting was pretty bad and what the heck is up with 'bad Ash?' Still a lot of fun to watch.

Iron Eagle - Jason Gedrick saves his dad in an F-16. 'Nuff said.

Blue Thunder - The first R-rated movie I was allowed to watch.

Innerspace - Hey, it's funny and stupid at the same time.

Dreamscape - Let's face it. Snakeman just wasn't that scary, but gads is this movie fun.

Eddie & the Cruisers - Good soundtrack.

Movies that don't hold up well:

Ferris Bueller's Day Off - I just didn't like it that much when I saw it on TNT recently. Kind of stupid, and Ferris is actually pretty damn annoying.

Gremlins - Boy, was this a disappointment the second time.

Transformers: The Movie - I don't care if it had Orson Welles. It sucked.

Oh, and Bad-Good movies?

The English Patient - I really can't describe how much I hated this movie. It was a bunch of "see the pretty pictures I can make with my camera" crap filled with unbelievable pretentiousness.

In fact, I have so much hatred for this movie that it's the only one on this particular list. I HATE it.

Hey, "Fright Night" is a good good movie.

And "Attack of the Killer Tomatos" is a classic just like "Santa Claus Conquers The Martians." But you know, a LOT of B science fiction movies can fit into this category.

Can anyone get through "The Conqueror?" I watched the first 15 minutes and I just couldn't handle John Wayne as Genghis Khan.

"Congo" is a movie so bad it's good. Tim Curry is always fun to watch.

"Doc Savage" is another good bad one.

Did someone mention "Buckaroo Banzai?"

And Woody Allen's "What's Up, Tiger Lily?" is the only Allen film I liked.

I LOVED "Executive Decision." Thanks for reminding me, I need to get that on DVD.

Later,
bbeck

JMFlynny,

Kudos for thinking of Lake Placid. Any movie that gets Betty White to say the line, "If I had a dick, this is where I'd tell you to suck it." deserves some honors.

Slu, I just CAN'T handle "The English Patient." Yikes.

OH, and "The Abyss" is one of those crap films I'll watch just because Ed Harris is totally HOT.

Later,
bbeck

Hard to be a God

I especially like that the locals convert the principle of the printing press into a more efficient guillotine.

Kudos to slublog for remembering Bruce Campbell movies. I might as well mention all the Evil Dead flicks while we're at it.

Also, on the list of good/bad movies, a Dennis Quaid one: Enemy Mine. A classic from the '80s, with an understated performance by Lou Gossett.

Well, as understated as you can be while wearing a lizard mask.

I have to add this since I haven't seen it mentioned. Blair Witch Project.
It's not Good/bad or Bad/Good.... it's just really bad. I would go so far as to say the worst ever. I have never felt so robbed as when I saw that in the theater. Like two hours of my life were murdered. I want justice.

If you want a fun movie viewing experience, rent "Bruce Campbell vs. Army of Darkness" the Director's Cut version and watch it with the commentary by Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi.

The comments those two come up with are funnier than the movie itself.

Bubble Boy (the Gyllenhall one, not the old Travolta TV-flick)

Ski School (one of the more cheerful slob comedies, and full of people who became nearly famous later).

Return of the Killer Tomatoes (while the original is a classic, the sequel has some nice bits, including one of the best product placement bits ever. Plus George Clooney.)

I totally agree on Blair Witch. I saw it with a friend, and we really both wanted to like it, but we didn't. We started entertaining ourselves by mocking it. When the movie built up to a part where it would have been a totally cheap ending that would make you feel completely ripped off, I blurted out, "The End!" Then the credits starting rolling. We looked at each other and just burst out laughing that they actually did end it there.

Maybe this makes me a simpleton, but I believe when I pay for a movie, I pay for a whole movie, including an ending, thank you very much.

"The Evil Dead" was actually well-received by critics so I'm not sure if it would fall in this category.

Later,
bbeck

Worst movie ever made -- so far -- is "Open Water." And that actually got some good reviews. I have NO clue why.

Later,
bbeck

The Outlaw Josey Wales

But am I the only one here who's seen Lifeforce? Naked space vampires who suck up the hero to have interstellar sex at the end? Who can argue with that.

Phantasm and Hellraiser are both good-bad movies that have the cinematic feel of seventies porn.

Castle Keep is a pretty messed up 60s flick with a stellar cast and probably makes sense only for free-associaters.

Prior to reading the analysis of Roadhouse on this thread and the gay angle, I would have said Roadhouse just sucked and had nothing redeeming to it. Now I think it sucked and had nothing redeeming to is, but I did enjoy the analysis.

Pointbreak is quite possibly the worst movie of all times, despite the fact that it brings together two titans of the screen, Keanu and Swayze. How is it neither of these men has an Oscar? Oh that's right, neither can act. This movie sucked on just about every level that a movie can suck. The script sucked. The actors sucked. The plot sucked. Even the gaffer and best boy sucked. Anybody who likes this cinematic excrement sucks.

Bronco Billy and the Gauntlet are good bad movies, if you can get past Sondra Locke. Just goes to show that there is no telling when it comes to taste.

Finally, the ultimate Kurt Russell movie, Used Cars. If you can watch the commercials without pissing yourself, you have no sense of humor. Throw Jack Warden and Grandpa Munster into the mix and you have pure film excellence.

If you want a fun movie viewing experience, rent "Bruce Campbell vs. Army of Darkness" the Director's Cut version and watch it with the commentary by Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi.

Couldn't agree with you more, Slu, but I'd pick up the "Boomstick Edition" instead. It has both the Director's Cut and the theatrical release. I love how they keep bitching (in the DC commentary) about how Ash shouldn't be doing what he's doing because it doesn't fit his character.

What bugs me is that for some reason, the Director's Cut has inexplicaply cut out the best line in the movie:

"Good, bad--I'm the guy with the gun."

I know this thread is on good/bad movies (or was it bad/good movies?), so I guess it would be OT to mention that I walked out on Coming to America at the theater.

Couldn't stand it. Years later I found out that I left about 15 minutes before the end.

GREAT bad movie - "Rad". Also - Clue.

Horrible "good" movie: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Try watching the "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" scene without getting the stupid chills.

Anything by Kevin Smith also does not hold up today. Clerks, Chasing Amy - all have an embarassingly dated early 90s feel to them.

Bubble Boy (the Gyllenhall one, not the old Travolta TV-flick)

Actually, the old Travolta TV-flick made me cry.

O shit, does that mean I'm gay or something?

I dunno, CL, the "Send me an Angel" scene from Rad seems a little embarrasing in this day and age.

The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension.

But I haven't seen it in 15 years so it well may suck.
I will rent it and refresh.

--What about F/X?
Is that a good/good or a bad/good?

Yeah, Buckaroo Banzai and Big Trouble in Little China are classics in the good/bad category. To which I would add;

"The Keep" with Jurgen Prochnow (Das Boot) as a WW II German officer who finds a balrog/vampire in the Transylvanian alps. Went straight to video I think, but a very cool movie for its time. Still kinda spooky today.

And who could forget the D&D classic, "Sword and the Sorcerer" - naff at the time, unintentionally hillarious today. It has it all; bad story, bad script, bad hair, bad acting - but any true connoiseur of the genra cannot say it is not entertaining.

"And who could forget the D&D classic, "Sword and the Sorcerer" - naff at the time, unintentionally hillarious today. It has it all; bad story, bad script, bad hair, bad acting - but any true connoiseur of the genra cannot say it is not entertaining."

Scott, I'm trying to FORGET that movie, but admittedly it WAS funny when the hero was crucified as dining entertainment.

Later,
bbeck

I know we're debating good/bad movies and bad/good movies, but a couple people have nominated 'the worst' movies. Which are really naff at being bad. Or something.

In any case, watch 'Even Cowgirls get the Blues', and the other contenders for worst-ever/way-worst-ever won't be worthy of places on the list any more.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106834/plotsummary

Sean,
How about when the evil jumpsuit twins do their dance routine? That was awesome.

Still in the Good-bad category (i.e., movies that received indifferent box office and reviews, but which stand the test of time):

The Thirteenth Warrior

To which I add a recommendation to read the Seamus Heaney translation of Beowulf.

BTW, also liked Outland (which I think someone mentioned above) and The Great Race, neither of which will win any awards for anything other than sheer entertainment value.

They listed "Red Dawn."

That wasn't a "good bad movie."

That was just a good movie!

Wow, I'm glad somebody else recognized Repo Man...

But how about Heartbreak Ridge? Sure it's just a vehicle for Clint Eastwood to rasp menacingly at some goofballs, but everytime Mario Van Peebles refers to himself as the "Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah", I laugh myself out of my chair.

Sean M. - I didn't get that either! My husband and I got the director's cut of Army of Darkness, and when that line just vanished we both yelled at the TV simultaneously. I mean, the hell? It was still fun, though. I think we quote it far more often than we quote most actual good movies. I also inexplicably enjoyed Judge Dredd. "Eat recycled food! It's good for the environment, and it's OK for you!" And Ed Wood's "Bride of Monster" should have won a prize for Least Convincing Attack By Giant Squid Onscreen. Not to mention the line that got reprised on MST3K several times: "He tampered in God's domain."

God, I'm sad.

Good list. I don't know if Midnight Run is considered a bad movie by anyone, but its an underappreciated one at least.

Pretty much the last movie you'll ever see featuring, get this, Muslims as terrorists, if you can imagine such a thing.

The Siege came out two years later and had Muslim terrorists.

Midnight Run isn't good/bad -- just good.

And what a crying shame that Charles Scrotum didn't kill himself right after that movie. He would have been remembered fondly instead of as the most boring talk show host in history and later as the most boring wanna-be Andy Rooney in history.

Sonetka,
Yeah, the line they used in the Director's Cut ("I ain't that good") is a puzzler. I mean, why would they cut one of the movie's best lines?

And W.C.,
Charles Grodin had at least one more awesome performance in a good-bad movie: Clifford. I don't know if it was intended to be so, but it's a very dark comedy.

And what about Vampire's Kiss? Bad in so many ways, but such an awesomely odd performance from Cage.

Besides, it'll make you smile everytime someone says "There you are!"

Sci-Fi ran Thirteenth Warrior last night. I love that movie. Very good combat film. Lighting is bad and there is blood everywhere, that's what makes it real.

I will hunt down anyone who rips on Buckaroo Banzai. I love that movie.

Excalibur is fun but way mediocre. First Knight had better fight choreography for f*ck'sa sake.

I saw Blair Witch Project in the PX theater in Korea in '99. Most of us were wasted, and being guys who hang out in the woods for a living we were yelling at the screen the whole time. A couple captains in back of me were doing great Ranger Instructor imitations.

Girl on screen: "We're lost!"

Captain: "OK, let me see the platoon leader right now, everyone else do pushups until we find out where we are." Was funny as hell, but it may be a subculture thing.

And Red Dawn...has some flaws, but I love that movie. Jon Milius is still one of my gods.

Every Which Way But Loose
Kentucky Fried Movie
Gray Lady Down
The Concorde: Airport '79
War Games
Entrapment
Poseidon Adventure
Midway
The Devil's Advocate

Oh, man. I forgot about War Games. I just saw that again a few weeks ago on cable. I love the whole 'hacking is easy' feel to it.

"What are you doing?"

"Oh, I'm just plugging my computer into the phone lines and changing grades...hey, look! We're in the Pentagon's system!"

Anyone who used DOS back then knew exactly what would happen if you typed in something like "Hello computer."

And Ally Sheedy looks pretty much dazed throughout the entire movie. What? The director couldn't spring for Molly Ringwald? Every other 80s movie starred one of those two.

Best War Games line:

General Beringer: Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks.

I'll throw in a couple Val Kilmer flicks from the 80's, Top Secret! and Real Genius. Both were mediocre productions that still make me laugh. Wonder what ever happened to that poor, goofy looking kid that played Mitch.

TheDude,

Mitch is currently on the run from the law.

On e of the all time best good bad movies would have to be "The Night of the Comet". Classic zombie movie that draws you in and makes you wonder how you would react in that situation. The seen in the department store with the semi-zombie playing russioan roulette with the younger girl is priceless.

In regards to "Big Trouble in Little China", buy the DVD if for no other reason than to see John Carpenter singing the theme song. So bad it hurts.

Point Break is a great entertaining movie. That and Bill & Ted was the role Keanu was born to play.

Can't believe someone else mentioned The Keep. That's another good one. Same with Used Cars and PCU.

Any Leslie Nielson movie other than Naked Gun flicks. OK, maybe they are just actually bad bad, but usually some good dumb laughs.

Transformers the Movie is a classic.

Hm. I liked Resident Evil, actually. It reminded me of various games I've played.

I liked how they got all the way down to the lowest level of the underground secret lab before all hell broke loose. (The computer's defense system was also cool in a "that's totally unfair" sort of way.)

("Oh, NOW the zombie hordes appear...")

Hm. People beat me to other movies. Otherwise, I thought Jason-X was bad-good. It was horrid cheesiness, but it had Lexa Doig in it so it was fun. Also, her character was rare: smart lady in a horror flick. ;)

(Jason's "THAT'S not supposed to happen" reaction when he threw his machete into the android's gut was also priceless.)

Here's another one:

True Lies (this may be a good-good movie, but the special effects/action at the end with the Harrier left much to be desired)

I can't believe nobody has mentioned one of the best bad-good movies of all time:

The Adventures of Ford Fairlane

"Hit paydirt with K-DIRT"

Hm. Don't know how my name didn't get into the posting mentioning Resident Evil and Jason-X. Oh well.

I would also mention that I like movies that can be MiSTed. Those two films are full of such moments. ("...like the elevator WOULDN'T be full of zombies? Doofus.")

Where do you people find time to see all these chessy movies? Do any of you have jobs? How do you pay Blockbuster, in trade with those shorts of your adventures with farm animals?

Kids? Exercise? The opposite sex? Any of you?

I get to about 2 movies a year, and that's only if I know somebody in them. My friend starred in Lambada--this is like my best friend, too, and I walked out of it. What's worse, I yelled at him for even telling me to check it out! It wasn't just a bad movie, it's the worst ever hands down.

I almost destroyed the theater walking out of Blair Witch. If I ever find those people who made that thing, they are toast.

Interesting take on Roadhouse. I knew there was something odd about that thing when I saw about 6 minutes of it on TNT.

I don't know whether to be jealous or piteous of you folks. I can only hope you watch these awful movies after riotous sexual encounters with non-inflatable people.

caspera - great comment. LOL at that one!

No doubt there are a lot of movies that my college roomate, our 3 foot grafix bong, and I found highly entertaining that would cause my eyes to bleed and what's left of my brain to evaporate if I were to watch them today, with or without the herb.

Eyes Wide Shut left my wife and I saying "What the fuck?" and leaving the theatre pissed off about never getting back two wasted hours. The idea behind the story is great and I really like Kubrick (especially The Shining), but this movie was a big plotch in cinema's tighty-whities.

But that's off topic.

Jesus, Spongeworthy, try some frickin' decaf. And remember that most of us are self-proclaimed geeks, so why bother going down the "do you have a life" road. Besides, most of these movies came out in the 80's or early 90's while we were young, carefree dorks. Oh, and you might want to google satellite and cable tv, it's amazing. Pay a flat fee and watch as many movies as you want. As a serious response, at least on my part, I don't have kids yet, so I'm enjoying my remaining time as frivolously as I can.

I'm with TheDude. No kids yet and just got a subscription to Netflix.

Plus, I live up north. Winter is a great season to catch up on movies.

Here's a few more choices for movies that are so bad they're good:

Silverado, the 1984 Western with Scott Glenn, Brian Dennehy, Danny Glover, a young Kevin Costner, and too many other stars to list. A good old-fashioned, entertaining Western. And John Cleese, as a foppish small-town sheriff, was hilarious. Remember the line "Today my jurisdiction ends here. Somebody pick up my hat...?"

Robin Hood- the Kevin Costner version. It's a good bad movie due entirely to the performance of Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Anything with Rickman is worth watching; nobody can chew scenery quite like him.

Tombstone, with Kurt Russell(!) as Wyatt Earp, Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday, and an excellent supporting cast (Sam Elliot, Bill Paxton, Michael Biehn, Powers Boothe, Charlton Heston, etc.) Russell was great (as usual), but Kilmer made the movie. Remember the part where the villanous "Ike" accused Kilmer's Doc Holliday of being so drunk he was seeing double, and Kilmer drew down with both his Colts and proclaimed "I've got two guns; one for each of you?" Priceless.

Quigley Down Under, the Australian Western starring Tom Selleck, Alan Rickman as the villian, and a badass Sharps .45-110 long-range rifle. It's entertaining from beginning to end.

The Fast and the Furious. Hey, it had good stuntwork and the lovely Michelle Rodriguez. Probably Vin Diesel's best role to date (although he was good in Pitch Black, too). The only thing I didn't like about the movie was the end; the best car in the show was Diesel's Pro Street '68 Charger, and they absolutely killed it. Bastards.

And here's two nominees for Worst Movie With Absolutely No Redeeming Features:

Battlefield Earth. L. Ron Hubbard must be rolling in his grave at what his disciple John Travolta did to his novel in the film version.

Watchers. Based on nothing more than the title of one of Dean Koontz's lesser novels, this disaster of a movie starred an adolescent Corey Haim, Michael Ironside, an annoying dog, and some guy in a gorilla suit playing an "genetically created" monster; all four of which ended up clashing in a climactic battle royale won by Haim. Drugs and partying may have killed Haim's career, but this flick put the last nail in the coffin.

Anybody mention Real Genius and They Live yet?
"I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum. "

In the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes vein there's
The Stuff

Worst movie of all time.... Meet the Deedles. The only Disney movie with softcore porn, and surfing in Yellowstone.

How about a new discussion of actors/actresses who ruin every movie they are in?

For me, it's got to be Julia Roberts. She plays the same damn character in every movie and it's almost as though she's aware of her own acting/charm/etc, if that makes sense.

If you don't agree with me, answer me this: what were the worst scenes in Ocean's 11?

I thought so.

And before I forget

Them

where would Shaun of the Dead fall on the continuum?

Just skimmed through the thread, but I can't believe nobody's mentioned Joe versus the Volcano, the most embarrassing thing Tom Hanks has done since Bosom Buddies. Hudson Hawk got a well deserved mention. And what about Valley of Gwangi-- cowboys capturing dinosaurs so they can put them on exhibit in a Mexican circus? With a premise like that, you really can't go wrong.

Slu, Dude:

You guys have a lot of movie gold ahead of you. One tip: The hottest movie babes I've seen lately are the Baby Einstein chick and Sally Ann Howes from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Both are better beat-off material than Julie Andrews.

You think this information is useless, but you'll be singing a different tune one day, mark my words.

Slu:
"I almost destroyed the theater walking out of Blair Witch. If I ever find those people who made that thing, they are toast."

LOL - I didn't go see it because it sounded bad, but I was so curious having been told it was made with a digital camera and tiny (comparative) budget AND got bigtime distribution.

Armaggedon and The Waterboy were a couple of turds that I actually found entertaining. Actually, pretty much any Adam Sandler movie would be awful if he wasn't in it. Heh, I just find the guy amusing in movies. Don't care for his live act though.

Support your Local Sherrif, Support your Local Gunfighter, Paint your Wagon. I too am a huge fan of Big Trouble in Little China. The movie I used to love, but can't stand now, Little Big Man.

Am I the only one old enough to remember Vanishing Point?

34 years later, I still think of Kowalski as an American Icon.

Movies that were good that were not the biggest box office or critics choice:

Summer Rental with John Candy
Predator
Rob Roy
8MM
ConAir ( unitl the stupid ending)

Movie I thought was the best when I first saw it and now not impressed is Speed.

Heh. Someone beat me to 13th Warrior. Great movie up until the first cavalry attack... Actually until Antonio Banderas ground that sword down into a scimitar and suddenly discovered his sword swinging skills.

And True Lies - that scene where the harriers strafe the trucks on the bridge is just freakin AWESOME. BRRRRAAAATTTTTTT!!!

How about a new discussion of actors/actresses who ruin every movie they are in?

For me, it's got to be Jenna Jameson. She plays the same damn character in every movie and it's almost as though she's aware of her own acting/vagina/etc, if that makes sense.

Plus her modern looking tattoos ruin the scenes when the time is supposed to be the year of our lord 1492 or whatever.

How about a little Chevy Chase? I remember Modern Times being pretty funny as a kid, last time I saw it I didn't even chuckle. Cops and Robbersons seemed, to me, underrated. Not great, but it kept me laughing. Would Foul Play fall into the good/bad category?

Of course, I thought of Chevy Chase only b/c he's been a movie killer for a decade or so. I guess we've figured out the half life for goofy jackass equaling funny.

Clue: The Movie

Albert Brooks kills a movie for me. He hasn't been a guy for so long he can't even play one. There's a difference between nebbish and eunuch..

Chevy Chase can be forgiven for a lot of bad films given his performances in Vacation and Christmas Vacation -- both hilarious movies.

Dark Star (smart bomb with identity crisis, killer beach balls)

Schizopolis

Brazil (DeNiro as a heat & air superhero, heh)

Blue Velvet

Dune (Lynch also)

THX-1138 (probably just good)

Amazon Women on the Moon

On the subject of Christmas Vacation, who has seen the sequel, with the only returning cast member being Randy Quaid? I think it's called "Cousin Eddie's Christmas vacation". If so, hang your head in shame.

Ace, if you didn't notice Caspera's critique of Roadhouse and Warriors, take a look. It is genius:

I thought about these two movies for a while (I am not proud of this fact), and then it clicked with me. Both movies feel like inept gay speculation on what heterosexual tough guys might be like. I have no idea if the men who made these movies are gay men who never met a straight guy. But it sure seems like it. The toughness and the sexuality all rings false. All of it. The tough guys all have hairless chests. They wear pink shirts or denim vests completely open in a way that no straight guy would outside of L.A. They gaze admiringly at each other. They have no idea how to interact with a woman. As if the filmmakers said to each other, "What would a straight tough guy do in this situation?" "I don't know. Grab that woman's boobs or maybe start a knife fight with one of those guys or something like that." "Yeah, that's what I was thinking."

Clue! That's a good one. Not quite good, by why is it everytime it's on I watch it all the way to the end?

Caspera's critique reminds me of the Ruthless Reviews take on 80's action films:

Firstly, action films from the 80's are all exceedingly homoerotic. It is an essential part of the given movie's aesthetic. Sure, Steve Reeves took his shirt off in The Thief of Baghdad, but he spent most of his time chasing after the princess, not touching other men. Of course all of the heroes in 80s Action flicks talk like tough guys, but there is rarely any hetero-sex and by the end of the movie they are typically locked in mortal, lascivious combat with another muscular, shirtless man. Furthermore, the heroes of these great films are men who in real life could actually beat the living fuck out of you. Say what you will about his political abilities [Ed Note: Vote Larry Flynt], but back in 1983, Arnold Schwarzenegger could have ripped the arms off your body. Sylvester Stallone, Dolph Lungren, Charles Bronson, Chuck Norris, Jean-Claude van Damme or Clint Eastwood, back about eighteen years, were all actually muscle-bound, tough-as-nails uber-mensches. You would not have wanted to run into any of them while lurking in a dark alley. Especially if you're a commie-nazi, drug-dealing terrorist leftist cop who's soft on crime and likes kidnapping/molesting under-aged white girls in said alleys. These days, more often than not, all you get are androgynous pencil-dicks like Jared Leto playing the heavies. Put more succinctly, if me and Leto met in a darkened alley, I'd be the one bending him over. And Will Smith is exactly as intimidating as Milhouse Van Houten. Action stars of today are pussies. Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me.

And Ace, don't forget all the alternate endings for Clue!

Ace,

Dave at Garfield Ridge is back to giving you crap about posting on old topics. If it gets to be too annoying, just remind him of the phrase he uttered earlier this week:

I'm a big Luhrmann fan (especially of Moulin Rouge, which I adore)

Worst comes to worst, you can threaten to go to his superiors. I'm pretty sure that was a violation of "don't ask, don't tell."

Seriously Dave, did you have to "adore" it? You couldn't just enjoy it or like it a lot? I mean, you can't even backtrack and say you have a thing for Nicole Kidmen, unless you like your women hacking up blood.

Clue is definitely good/bad. For me, the movie's high point is Jane Wiedlin's cameo as the singing-telegram girl who gets shot one line into her song.

Just about anything by Ken Russell qualifies for a so-bad-it's-good thread, but but his crap masterpiece has got to be Lisztomania. The film has a laser-like awfulness that practically burns through the screen.

Dude--

Hey pal, I already owned up to my comment being very, very gay.

And for the record, I think Nicole Kidman's tuberculosis was fabulous.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Dave,

Sorry, it was just too easy to pass up. And I was afraid there were a few people who had not seen it.

Dude, it was on my blog-- NOBODY has seen it.

Except for you. What, were you lost or something?

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

I thought Moulin Rouge was terrific, but I'm practically a card-carrying artsy-fartsy metrosexual. I might as well wear a leotard to work. I'm guessing it would do Dave's position at the Pentagon no good at all if it were to come out that he had a secret love for Baz Luhrmann.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Of all the movies that people made noise about and are total pieces of crap for reasons too numerous to list, 'Dances With Wolves' has to take the cake.

"Soul Man," starring C. Thomas Howell. Whatever happened to him? Also has a little bit of (pre boob-job) Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

Regarding the reverse, bad good movies ( bad movies that get good ratings), I would say the Monty Python/Gene wilder type comedy films. I think they are quite lame, but once in a awhile it veers into a nice silliness or an actually funny quip. Obviously, the film industry has shown there is a huge market for lame humor.

Utron, the policy only matters if you're wearing the uniform.

Me, I wouldn't be caught dead in such hideous colors, for shame!

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Where's The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch when you need it?

I adore Dances with Wolves.

It's funny, Garfield Dave, I always thought the one thing Moulin Rouge was missing was a well-clothed monkey or two.

Later,
bbeck

Late to the party, but John Carpenter's "Prince of Darkness" is one that doesn't hold up so well. Scared the crap out of me and the starter husband back in the day; I bought it from secondspin and showed it to Permanent Husband and it was embarassingly bad. Jameson Parker with a bad 80s feathery haircut and lots of mullets, plus Donald Plesance and Victor Wong eating the scenery. Alice Cooper was pretty cool in it though.

Flight of the Phoenix, the original with Jimmy Stewart and not that remake crap, is still a damn fine movie.

Late to the party, but John Carpenter's "Prince of Darkness" is one that doesn't hold up so well.

Hey, we once had a DM write a module based on that movie.* The whole mirror thing WAS pretty creepy, but the movie did stink.

Later,
bbeck

*Obligatory Geek remark

Slu, I can't think of a single performance by Julia Roberts that I didn't hate.

Spex, Flight of the Phoenix (original) is a terrific film. My favorite part is where Stewart and Attenborough realize the German engineer designs model planes. Best sub-plot in the film, the conflict between the engineer and the pilot.

HEY, The Dude,

The geeky kid from "Real Genius" is not so geeky lookin' anymore.

The last movie he was in that people might recognize is "Apollo 13."

Later,
bbeck

Crappers, he looks different. Great, now I look dorkier than him. This shifts my whole worldview.
Thanks a lot, bbeck.

Ah, but Dude, you have INNER beauty. :)

I would not have recognized him either. He was a complete DINK in "Genius" (which I have on DVD, great fun, along with "Top Secret"). I wonder if he had "help" from a plastic surgeon.

Later,
bbeck

Night of the Comet- damn, the gun-toting hottie offspring of a Special Forces sergeant. I had totally forgotten how much I wanted to meet that chick. Took me until age 31 to meet a woman I could hand a .45 Grease Gun to on a first date and still get a second date.

As for Moulin Rouge, never seen the whole movie, but I have fast-forwarded through the DVD and made heavy use of the pause button. You really can't go wrong with Nicole Kidman (and I like tall pale redheads) in a corset and some CFM heels.

On the subject of Christmas Vacation, who has seen the sequel, with the only returning cast member being Randy Quaid? I think it's called "Cousin Eddie's Christmas vacation". If so, hang your head in shame.

It's called "Christmas Vacation 2: Cousin Eddie's Island Adventure" (see IMDB). I had never actually heard of it before you mentioned it. It apparently was a made-for-TV sequel.

Vegas Vacation was also pretty bad. That came out shortly after I had gotten used to looking up movie reviews on the Internet, and I was really puzzled why I couldn't find any for that movie the day it came out. I later learned that for real turkeys they don't submit them to reviewers in advance, figuring that (contrary to the common expression) no publicity is better than bad publicity.

Vegas Vacation did has one almost-redeeming moment, though, when Clark said that it might be their last time to vacation as a family because the kids were getting so old. He then looked at the kid, who were once again being played by new actors, and said, "You guys are growing up so fast, I hardly recognize you anymore!" Heh.

"Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board with your penis?"

"Not right now."

"A girl's gotta have her standards."

"Is it a dream where you see yourself standing on a pyramid in sort of Sun God-like robes and you're surrounded by a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"

"No!"

"Why am I the only one who has that dream?"

Later,
bbeck

good/bad movie : Conan the barbarian

OK, I have another Jon Milus work for you then, "The Wind and the Lion". How the f*ck you can have Sean Connery playing an Arab is beyond me, but the charge of the Marine detachment is great. Brian Keith (as Teddy Roosevelt) has a speech at Yellowstone where he likens America to the grizzly bear that alone is worth the nine bucks it will cost you on DVD at Wal-Mart.

Oh geez, Utron...I haven't ben able to make it past the first ten minutes of Moulin Rouge. Their attempts to be artsy are waaay to 'in your face'.

Worst movie I've ever seen...a tossup...Hollow Man or Falling Down. Bad then, bad now.

Both are supposedly about men who were driven insane by the circumstances in which they suddenly find themselves. Truth is, they were both dicks, long before then.

One that hasn't stood up well to time: The Blues Brothers - on a recent viewing it was pointed out to me, and I had to concur, that the acting and dialogue were horribly amateurish. While I still liked the musical bits, the stuff in between, I had to admit, was pretty bad.

I'm stunned, stunned, that there have been over 160 comments on this thread, and yet not a single person has mentioned the greatest good-bad movie of all time: Tremors. A modern day B-movie classic: the Earth Vs. The Spider for our generation!

It perfectly matches Ace's description of a movie that's not "good" in the traditional sense, but that you can't help watching until the end if you catch it by chance. (Given that the USA Network and TBS seem to run it every other weekend, this is not improbable.) It's pretty clever, has some genuinely hilarious lines (Fred Ward: "You ever seen one of these things?" Kevin Bacon: "Yeah, everybody knows about 'em, we just never told you."), is well-acted, and even takes a surprising right-wingish turn by making the local gun-nut survivalist couple into heroes and not predictable left-wing caricature victims. Nobody who likes good-bad movies has an excuse not to see this film.

Another Bad-Good movie:

The Thin Red Line. It was this movie, along with The English Patient, that helped convince me once and for all that critics were full of crap.

I don't get this movie. I don't want to get this movie. I've spent much time trying to forget the mind-numbing boredom that was Terrence Malick's movie.

Yeah, I still want to be the Michael Gross character in Tremors when I grow up and retire. I don't know about retiring to a desert though, seen enough of that for one lifetime.

The NOVEL "The Thin Red Line" isn't bad, if a little too pretentious, but then not a lot of hard literature comes out of rifle companies. You don't get rawer work like Swofford's "Jarhead". The movie DOES suck. Its biggest problem is it came out right after Saving Private Ryan, which immediately shoved the bar for accuracy and effects in a war movie to an untouchable level. The year before it would have been a lot less noticeable as bad.

Tremors. Jiminy Cricket! I had forgetton all about it, and now I'm ashamed.

Still, not quite in the same good/bad league as Vanishing Point, which is either great or the worst piece of shit you ever saw, depending on your mood. But, most of you are too young to have seen Kowalski, Supersoul, the Dodge Challenger . . .

Sigh.

More information here
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Vanishing Point is a good/bad movie? I thought it was just good...

And, as long as we're on the subject of thirty-odd year old action flicks, how about Bullitt? You've got Steve McQueen, Jacqueline Bissett in her first movie role, crackerjack action and probably the best car chase ever filmed.

Speaking of McQueen, here's a couple of classic good/bad movies featuring him: The Getaway and The Hunter.

And here's another good/bad movie: the original Phantasm.

did anyone else think Chicago was a barf bag?

how did that thing get Oscars? :-P

good/bad movie : Conan the barbarian
Posted by: Some Guy

Are there people who have actually watched this movie?

It's like Godzilla... or King Kong...

which reminds me... I don't know if these are good bad movies or bad good movies, but...

Tarzan!!! the original ones...

maybe in the "cheesiet good/bad movies of all times" category- along with some Westerns

Conan? Of course I've seen Conan. I've seen it enough times I can quote dialogue extensively. You need to see the DVD version though, not the chopped up for TV variant. We used to blast the soundtrack in the weight room at my high school.

darkman. just watched it the other day. horrible; I loved it.

and Lost Boys was one of my favorite movies

I have both Conans on DVD. Great actions films.

I have "Tremors," too, and I wish I had "Critters." And of course, Stewart's "Flight of the Phoenix." One of his BEST acting jobs, IMO.

I haven't seen "Chicago," tho, Alessandra. Did it really stink? Do you normally like musicals?

Later,
bbeck

I always thoought "Re-Animator" was underrated. Any movie, even of the cheap-horror variety, that has a disembodied head performing cunnilingus on a tied-down hot chick, HAS to be bad-good.

Or maybe that's just me.

And if you think "48 Hours" was overrated, just check out the excruciating sequel.

Conan: good/good. Milius never got his due in liberal/leftist Hollywood.

["Crush your enemies, watch them flee before you, and hear the lamentations of da women."]

Slublog -- she was effective in My Best Friend's Wedding, where she played an irritating jerk. Not too bad a movie, either.

I third the Conan recommendation.
Awesome movie (unedited, per SGT Dan), but I think the sequel stank rotten, bad/bad.

Vanishing Point is a good/bad movie? I thought it was just good...

Depends on how many beers you've had, IMO. If you've had a couple, it's consistently good. If you've had none, it can be kinda pretentious.

Gracious - this thread still going? Well here's my $.02 - I love the old, cheap, cheesy Vincent Price horror flicks. Nobody could chew the scenery like Vincent Price. :-)

Having grown up on his work, ranging from Red Dawn to Conan to 1941, I'd love Jon Milius even if he turned around and made a Barney the Dinosaur flick. One, I have a pic of me with his (one of the original three) "Dirty Harry" Model 29 S&W .44 Mags he loaned the NRA Museum, second a mutual friend hooked me up with some Cuban cigars from his stash.

Conan I think is good-bad, almost good. It's well done, but really, it's a nothing little revenge fantasy that's just nicely executed with some surprisingly good dialogue and some good fights. (Love the two man stand at the end, and of course Conan's immortal prayer to Crom).

The sequel? Bad-Bad. Red Sonja Bad. Awful. I have no idea how someone could fail to differentiate the quality of the first film from the unmitigated cheese and dreck of the sequel.

I should've known people here would like Conan the Barbarian...

:-D

what can I say?

I haven't seen "Chicago," tho, Alessandra. Did it really stink? Do you normally like musicals?

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bbeck,

It stinks most foul :-D

It's not because it's a musical, I adore musicals, but it's this particular barfbag sexual aura impregnated in all these music acts and routines, it's nauseating... I was trying to find words to depict this type of crappy sexual feeling, it's so hard, the closest I got was: it's like some over-the-hill alcoholic Hollywood ex-star's ideas of what "sexual" would be like... :-P

I can't find the adjectives... in short, it just stinks :-)

Thanks, Alessandra. I hadn't rented it because I was just so-so about it. I MAY see it someday now, but only if a copy of it ends up in the Walmart bargain bin.

As for Conan: IMO the first movie was very well done despite Arnold's poor English at the time, but the second really doesn't compare in terms of plot. As such, I personally wouldn't call the first movie good/bad but good/good for what it was: not quite Oscar material but a decent, respectable rendition of the fictional character of Conan. I WOULD, however, put the second movie in the good/bad category because, even though the plot stank and it didn't compare to the first film, I enjoy watching it for its production values and its unintentional silliness. Oh, and Arnold is just plain HOT, and I think it's neat to see the difference in his acting and his accent.

I HATED "Red Dawn" and "Red Sonya."

Later,
bbeck

Brain Donors

That is all.

Caveman.

Ringo Starr, Randy Quaid, Shelly Long, Barbara Bach chasing Harryhausen dinosaurs and speaking in a fake language that parodies all the other caveman movies. Never fails to make me laugh for all the right reasons.

bbeck, if you hate Red Dawn we officially can't be friends anymore, sorry. Now I can sit back with over twenty years of formal and informal military education and sharpshoot that movie all to pieces on little stuff and USSR uniform goofs, but it's the perfect Second Amendment/Cold War period piece, and when I was in elementary school I thought it a divinely inspired work on what Those Damned Russkies would do if they could. Little did I know Ivan was just sitting back chugging vodka trying not to freeze or starve the next winter.

Slu, Dude:
You guys have a lot of movie gold ahead of you. One tip: The hottest movie babes I've seen lately are the Baby Einstein chick and Sally Ann Howes from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Both are better beat-off material than Julie Andrews.
You think this information is useless, but you'll be singing a different tune one day, mark my words.

Uh... Sound of Music, Victor Victoria, or Princess Diaries Julie Andrews ?

LOL, Sgt Dan, I'm sorry, but regardless of its message I just couldn't get past the movie's silliness. When they were all sitting around the campfire lamenting the recent slaughter/invasion and Lea Thompson says something like, "Nothing's going to be the same anymore," I found myself screaming at the screen, "NO $HIT!" I then debated taking an ice pick to my eardrums just so I could avoid hearing any more crummy dialogue like that, but the husband gave me a few beers to numb the pain instead. So the 2 hours wasn't a total loss. :)

Hopefully I'll be able to redeem myself in your eyes some other way than liking that movie.

Later,
bbeck

OK, I'm gonna get a lot of crap for this, but....

Hudson Hawk is one of my all-time favorite movies.

Blowin' shit up while singing "Side by Side?" Doesn't get any funnier than that.

Plus I still crack up whenever I hear the words" Toll booth?!?!"

Oh, and I didn't see anyone mention One Night at McCools. When Andrew Dice Clay bursts in at the end dressed like Michael Douglas in Falling Down I laughed so hard I pulled something. Course, that may have been the alchohol...