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May 23, 2005
Filibuster Fight or Shadow-Boxing?There may or may not be a filibuster fight. Hit that link to find the link for contacting these dummies. He suggests that Democrats don't want to have this fight now, as the public isn't really paying attention -- who cares about the Appeals Courts? -- and should have the fight later when the public is focused on the issue (i.e., for a Supreme Court nominee). Therefore, he suggests, there will be no GOP victory, because if the GOP has the votes, the Democrats will stop filibustering, denying the GOP the opportunity to end the filibuster. (And if the GOP doesn't have the votes, they won't call for a vote, of course.) He thinks the GOP has its best chance of winning this fight now, and the Dems have the best chance of winning it later. Ergo, the Dems will avoid having the actual confrontation, at least if they're going to lose. I think the odds of the Democrats simply stopping filibusters in order to keep the possibility of filibusters open in the future is unlikely... sure, some centrists may jump ship for this reason, I suppose, but then, the Democratic Party has been claiming for years these judges are right wing ideological extremists who will destroy this country. It's sort of hard to back away from that kind of vitriol and say, "Well, maybe they're not so bad after all." A lot of Democratic fund-raising is based on keeping these Konservative Kabalist Krazies off the bench. The other thing he mentions -- that the GOP won't call for a vote if they don't have the votes -- is pretty obvious, and is, alas, as I fear it will actually unfold. I think the GOP leadership is bluffing-- they don't have the votes, they probably only have 48 or even 47, and they're hoping to extract a decent compromise by pretending they have 50. But hope springs eternal, obviously. Kaus Right, Me Wrong? Update: Apparently it's a very live possibility that some Democrats may break ranks to vote for cloture in order to stave off a confrontation on the nuclear option. It even has a name-- the "Nelson Option," after Democratic Senator Nelson of Florida. Further, Mort Kondracke and Charles Krauthammer say Frist has the votes, either 50 or 51. Some chick from NPR, I think, only cautions "that may not be a done deal." This from Brit Hume, of course. posted by Ace at 06:02 PM
CommentsThere wouldn't be any point for Frist to schedule the cloture vote unless he knew he had the votes. To pull the vote at the last minute would be as bad as losing it outright. Posted by: Laddy on May 23, 2005 06:47 PM
Posted by: Jeff Larkin on May 23, 2005 06:49 PM
Ace, your pessimism springs eternal. ;) Posted by: someone on May 23, 2005 06:59 PM
I think calling these senators might be counterproductive. Senators are pampered and arrogant, and don't like to be told what to do. If they get flooded with hundreds of angry or threatening calls, they might just get mad and decide to vote the other way. Kind of like Ken Salazar going nuts and calling religious groups "the Antichrist" because they were calling him. Now he's gone from moderate freshman to loyal lefty. Posted by: W.C. Varones on May 23, 2005 07:38 PM
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman! I hereby move that the Republican Party, the Grand Old Party, change its mascot from the Elephant to the Steer to more accurately represent its current leadership. . Posted by: OCBill on May 23, 2005 07:47 PM
Looks like the Rs sold out. What a pathetic group of mfs. If McCain thinks he has a chance at the Rep nomination in '08, he's nuts. I'm petty sure the wallets just snapped shut for Republican campaign contributions in many places. Frist can kiss any chance of his running for President goodbye as well. Posted by: Laddy on May 23, 2005 07:53 PM
First off, let me say that I have a lot of respect for Sen. Lindsey Graham, so it's no surprise to find he's being consined to the RINO list; he's too much of a critical thinker. Second, I think that Kaus is exactly right about how this would play out wrt non-supreme court nominees, so it might be the best play for the Repubs to reach an agreement and then whenever the Dems filibuster pull out the nuke/constitution option. It would be best, from a purely partisan political standpoint, if the Repubs could force the option now, but I hope, without much evidence, that the Dems are better game players than that. Posted by: vonKreedon on May 23, 2005 08:02 PM
I wish I could edit my posts. To clarify, I think it would be best for the Repubs if they could force the vote now, but I don't think they will get the chance. Posted by: vonKreedon on May 23, 2005 08:04 PM
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