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March 31, 2005
More Bad News: Oil to "Super-Spike"... to $105/Barrel?!According to a Goldman Sachs report (this article also lifted from Drudge). What the hell is there to say about this, except-- gulp? This would be bad. This would send us into Carter-like recession. Maybe worse. Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at Alaron.com, said $105 oil is technically possible but not likely for at least 3 years and only if a major supply disruption, such as a halt to imports from Saudi Arabia, occurred. posted by Ace at 05:25 PM
CommentsI've got a new sub-title for this blog "Drudge's clearing house" oops, wrong thread... ;) Posted by: fat kid on March 31, 2005 05:27 PM
hey-- I'm doing my posting in the comments, dickface. Posted by: ace on March 31, 2005 05:39 PM
This strikes me as an attempt on Goldman-Sach's part to move oil prices in the short term. Too bad I didn't buy futures yesterday. Posted by: mike beversluis on March 31, 2005 05:41 PM
Too bad I didn't buy futures yesterday.Too bad that's not what Goldman's saying. All the analysts on the street are coming out and lambasting this guy - kinda entertaining, and I would *NOT* want to be on the receiving end of that backlash... Posted by: fat kid on March 31, 2005 05:44 PM
This is a sucker game... go ahead and listen to the Goldman analyst and invest in call options on Oil futures at 60 (heck if it's going to 105, 60 is a safe bet right?)... On the bright side, you can't lose more money than you invested in the options (unlike GS, and other investers in this oil bubble which will get killed if the price of oil spikes down) Posted by: JFH on March 31, 2005 05:50 PM
I lived most of my life in the oilfields of west Texas and I know that this is possible but it's so improbable that I'm more worried about being struck by lightning every Wedneday for the rest of my life. If Venezuela were to cut us off they'd have to sell that oil somewhere and they'd have to lower the price to keep from bankrupting themselves, their economy is extremely fragile and if anything it would start a price war and break up OPEC. Whoever starting buying Venezuela's oil would stop buying from whatever country was supplying it before and we'd just buy from them. It's already a sellers market and I don't any OPEC member rushing out to find new customers. It might cause a short-term surge of a few dollars because of increased distance to ship it but Venezuela would also be shipping further so they'd have to lower their price accordingly to their new customer. I'm not going to lose any sleep over that article, I doubt that anyone that gives it much thought will either. The oil business has always been feast or famine, it'll swing back the other way, always has, always will. Posted by: bullwinkle on March 31, 2005 05:55 PM
As someone also involved in the oil/NG field, I don't think it could happen either, but only because I think China is going to have their first recession very soon and that will cause the demand to slack up a HUGE amount. And even if it did occur, it would only drive gas prices up another 1.60 per gallon, bad yes. But it would hurt Europe & China even more. Europe becuase all of their social programs are floated on the back of gas taxes, (I think the avg. price in th e EU was $4/gal back when we were paying $1.25), and china because they would be hit by it harder than we since they have to import something like 80% of their oil anyway. Just my 2cents... Posted by: McDirty on March 31, 2005 06:03 PM
If oil hits even $80/bbl, you're going to see a lot of old fields opened back up, including most of East Texas and Louisiana. They're not profitable at current prices, but the higher amounts would suddenly make it possible. One sign of this happening would be if a ruling gets passed on reopening old "sealed" wells. If you hear that's been done, invest in domestic production companies... The Canadian oil sands would get a *huge* boost in production investment, too, and we'd see massive increases from there in a couple of years. Posted by: cirby on March 31, 2005 06:12 PM
I don't think it's economically possible for the price of oil to really get that high. Once it gets to around $75/bbl, I'm pretty sure it becomes cheaper to convert coal to oil. Some company in South Africa used to do that during apartheid. Posted by: Allen on March 31, 2005 07:56 PM
Ace, you're easier to spook than Chicken Little. Maybe you should get a Depends blogad? (Oops, wrong thread...) Posted by: someone on March 31, 2005 08:08 PM
A silver lining is that would make thermal depolymerization commercially viable. It's almost there already, and it's quick and easy to set up, extremely scalable, fits into the existing oil/gasoline infrastructure, and gets rid of hydrocarbon-based waste. More. No, it wouldn't completely replace current energy sources, but it could make a big dent and solve recycling problems at the same time. Posted by: Yehudit on March 31, 2005 08:23 PM
Never will happen. Once the oil price get to $90 a barrel. we will start processing the oil in Senator Kennedy's and Senator Byrd's hair. That will end the oil shortage and stop the price increases. Posted by: Jake on March 31, 2005 09:57 PM
Won't happen. Why? (1) Iraq is getting its shit together, which means increased production there. (2) Alternative-fuel vehicles are growing in popularity. (3) Because I f'ing said so. Posted by: Dogstar on March 31, 2005 10:54 PM
The oil companies know that Michael Schiavo's cremation order is the signal that we are on the verge of being able to extract fuel for internal combustion engines from human corpses. They want to make as much money as they can before it becomes general knowledge. Or maybe not. Posted by: Dimmy on April 1, 2005 12:25 AM
Its the "Soylent Green scenario" Dimmy - its coming if this crap keeps going the way it is, bank on it. Posted by: on April 1, 2005 03:09 AM
Um you're thinking of the Nixon Ford years. We had a 16 month recession in 1973-75. The recession in the Carter years was relatively mild, 6 months from Jan 1980 to June 1980. We also had a 16 month recession in 1981-1982. We did have high inflation during the Carter years, in fact the recession of 1980 was because the Fed tightened the money supply to combat inflation and soon interest rates rose and people could get less credit or would spend less and the eventaully the GDP went down. Posted by: on April 1, 2005 06:29 AM
The moonbats will blame George Bush for this and completely ignore the part about a disruption in Saudi production. Then, in the next breath they'll complain about our presence in Iraq. That's like crying about being out of beer while your uncle's buying a liquor store. Posted by: spongeworthy on April 1, 2005 10:46 AM
OPEC's way of saying "We do not want democracy in the Middle East. Hear that, America"? Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2005 11:21 AM
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