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January 25, 2005

Hillary Criticizes Bush On Abortions [Say Anything]

ALBANY, N.Y. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton complained the Bush administration is shortchanging family planning efforts and said that may be causing abortion rates to go up in some parts of the country.

The New York Democrat told about 1,000 fellow abortion rights supporters Monday, two days after the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, that family planning funding was a priority during her husband's administration and "we saw the rate of abortion consistently fall."

"The abortion rate fell by one-quarter between 1990 and 1995, the steepest decline since Roe was decided in 1973," Clinton told the 28th annual conference of the Family Planning Advocates of New York State, referring to the Roe v. Wade decision. "The rate fell another 11 percent between 1994 and 2000."

Asked about the Clinton criticism, White House spokesman Ken Lasaius said, "The president believes we ought to work together to promote a culture of life.

"He's made it very clear that whether we agree or disagree on the issue of abortion, that we can all work together to take practical steps to reduce the number of abortions that occur," Lasaius added.

If Senator Clinton is so interested in reducing the number of abortions in America maybe she'd like to chance her pro-abortion stance on the issues.

I don't understand these politicians who take the "make abortions legal but rare" stance on the issue. That seems like a vain attempt to get on both sides of the issue. To me there are no such gray areas in this issue. Either you're for abortions, or you're against them. Either you believe that an abortion ends a life or you believe that it is no more than a procedure to remove some excess tissue from a woman's body.

Trying to keep abortions "rare" while working to keep them legal is a self-defeating cause. As long as they are legal, they will not be rare.

[Cross-posted at Say Anything]


posted by Ace at 10:12 AM
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"[the] Bush administration was shortchanging family planning efforts and said that may be causing abortion rates to go up." I wonder if that is true? I'll bet there is far more here than has been written in the article and can conjure up different scenarios to explain it all (much like Hillary did) but still, I wonder what are the real facts?

Posted by: 72VIRGINS on January 25, 2005 11:00 AM

Its a fact that banning abortion will not stop abortion. There is no debate to that. Its simply a fact. What the Dem's are trying to do is keep them safe by maintaining regulations over them and not pushing them underground like an all out ban would do. Abortions are an incredibly sad reality. They should not exist, ever, but they do. Once people come to that realization, then we could actually progress the topic through education, and not regress through all these back door anti-abortion schemes the President is pushing.

Posted by: Ryan on January 25, 2005 11:46 AM

Its a fact that banning abortion will not stop abortion. There is no debate to that. Its simply a fact. What the Dem's are trying to do is keep them safe by maintaining regulations over them and not pushing them underground like an all out ban would do. Abortions are an incredibly sad reality. They should not exist, ever, but they do. Once people come to that realization, then we could actually progress the topic through education, and not regress through all these back door anti-abortion schemes the President is pushing.

Posted by: Ryan on January 25, 2005 11:51 AM

True. Banning murder will not stop murders from happening.

But there is a difference between 'justifiable homicide' and killing for sheer convenience.

We can ban one while protecting the other.

Posted by: lauraw on January 25, 2005 12:07 PM

Sure, the only two views are: abortion is taking a life, or it is not. But there is a wider range of conclusions that can be made from that dichotomy than just two.
For instance, I think abortion is the taking of a life, but I can't prove it well enough to satisfy the legal definition of 1st degree murder. Thus, while I personally oppose abortion on moral and theological grounds, I do think it is a sin that is between the mother, the child, and God, and nothing we can do on earth can affect her testimony in front of Him. Holding that view, my main priority at this point is try to eliminate any accomplices to the sin and make the choice truly in the mother's hands: no surgical abortions, just medical abortificants that must be taken by the mother's own hand, like RU-486 and the so-called "morning after dosage". The fact that it would put something like a 2- or 3- week limit on the allowable range of abortions is just a nice bonus.
But you won't hear many people advocating my position despite that (I fancy) it is logical, self-consistent, and ensures the accountability for the act rests completely on the mother.

Posted by: Nathan on January 25, 2005 12:58 PM

Either you believe that an abortion ends a life or you believe that it is no more than a procedure to remove some excess tissue from a woman's body.

Well, this is silly. I think an abortion ends a life, but I don't think it's a life of a person. I don't consider a fetus to be a person, but it doesn't mean I consider it to be just a bunch of tissue.

I must say, I can't take uncompromising pro-life rhetoric seriously. Saying, "If you don't view abortion the way I do, then you don't value life" is almost like saying, "If George Bush is re-elected, then this is not a democracy". It's a self-righteous wishful thinking approach, that never leads to any results.

Posted by: Ivan Lenin on January 25, 2005 02:40 PM

I thought my view had calcified to pro-choice.

But for some reason I started seeing the other side a year or two ago.
Is uncompromising rhetoric against infanticide really that difficult to understand?
I am faithless and have no religious objections here. I don't know what a bundle of cells ' is'; the ethics of excising such is not clear to me.

But once that thing looks like a baby, once you have to start cutting what looks like baby parts off in order to remove it, it becomes morally repugnant.
I understand if that seems arbitrary, but there it is.

Posted by: on January 25, 2005 03:30 PM

But once that thing looks like a baby
This is not "uncompromising," and that's how a lot of people feel: when it looks like a baby, abortion is repugnant, and when it doesn't, it's not.

Since people start getting confused, I'll elaborate. What I meant by "uncompromising rhetoric" is "Any abortion is murder, and should be banned"

Posted by: Ivan Lenin on January 25, 2005 03:59 PM

You can't believe a word that comes out of Hillary's mouth. Just see pages 14, 23, 44, 79, 105, 231 and 249 of any of my books.

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