My opinion all along is that he was guilty but I didn't think they had enough evidence to convict so I'm mildly suprised. This seems the polar opposite of the OJ verdict. Go figure.

I'm with BrewFan here. No doubt in my mind that 'he done it', but I'm truly surprised they convicted him. I bet Mark Garagous (sp?) is amazed, too.

Either the bastid gets the death penalty, or 23/7 lockdown, no other choices with this verdict. I'm sure though that the defense will immediately file for an appeal, and they'll get it, too.

You know what brewfan, if you were on the Jury, you'd have to vote "innocent". By law.

This thing, and specifically, my offices reaction has me so fired up, I just wrote a VERY angry blog post about it.

I f*cking HATE the women I work with. I swear, their reaction makes me go a big soft one, and over time, will turn me into a frigging misogynist.

Just think - if only she'd had an abortion five minutes before he killed her, he'd only have one count of murder against him.

I had no doubt he did it when I learned that:

1.) she had been missing for only a couple weeks when he hired an attorney.
2.) one of the next things he did was sell her jewelry and buy a new vehicle.

I love my husband...if he went missing, I'd be a shaky weeping wreck, deserate for any information...I'm going to be calling the police everyday, not insulating myself against them. And I'm sure as HELL not gonna be finding a buyer for his fishing rods and checking out the cute new Hondas.

Guy's got balls or he's a sociopath.

One thing I don't get here. Peterson was convicted of 1 count of murder of his wife and one count of murder of the unborn fetus.

Peterson is guilty of "murder" for killing the fetus, but abortion - killing the fetus - is legal. It makes no sense.

To me, killing the fetus should either NOT be a crime - as defined by abortion, or it IS a crime as defined in murder, but it CAN'T BE BOTH.

I wish someone could explain to me how the very same act can be both legal and illegal at the same time.

I think the definition has something to do with what trimester you're in. For example, you can't abort 3rd trimester etc etc. Dunno about the 2nd - but you can in the first.

Reaction?

1. Just another crime of passion, one of thousands, was elevated by a slow news period, a victim of the appealing caucasian race, with a pretty smile, a dastardly spouse, and a jilted cumslut star witness (of nothing incriminating) into a major national story by savvy TV marketers who quickly noted that women fixated on this tale early on and drove their ratings up, and that after a week saw the ladies couldn't get enough of this soap opera. Hence, Fox and CNN virtually went "All Laci, All the Time".

2. It was close enough to a major media market that cable TV could cover this story relatively cheaply and plug into the LA celebrity market of "expert commentators" and patch in other legal celebrities from elsewhere. Do you want to spend 50,000 a week to cover Iraq with a 0.7% market share, or go with the Laci circus at 10,000 a week coverage costs and have a 5.7% market share? A total no-brainer.

3. The best thing about the verdict is that the whole Laci & Scott saga will go away soon....What man isn't sick of it??? The bad thing is a new "Chandra & Gary" "Kobe and his Un-named Accuser" soap opera will soon be found to replace "Laci & Scott" as part of the desired cable TV "news formula mix", and we will soon see Gloria Allred's disgusting face and those of all her lawyer media whore cohorts dispensing "expert opinions" on the next appealing, attractive, young white girl meeting an unfortunate fate that cable TV elevates above thousands of other victim candidates "to be the next Chandra, the next Laci!!

Say it with me everyone: I hate everybody.

Now, on a lighter note: I think we should start coming down hard on Bush for not nuking the shit out of Arafat's burial ceremony. At the very least he should have sprayed them with AIDS or something.

(p.s. I know you can't *spray* people with AIDS - but the other part of it was only kind of a joke)

Fat Kid,

I just cracked open a Blue Moon; soothing the savage breast and all that. Join me? :)

Fat Kid,

Get some counseling. Seriously. You've got issues that go far beyond politics.

People here are worried about 12 year olds on Bill Maher board talking about republican genocide. While here in their midst is a grownup talking about how he feels like smashing in the faces of his female co-workers with his bare fists.

If you're going to hate everybody - I suggest you exchange the word "misogynist" with "misanthrope".

Too bad I'm in Cali, and it's only 3:00 - otherwise I would. :)

I think I just take things too personally, but I go batsh*t at how stupid some people are. I've had ulcers since I was 21 b/c I get so worked up over stuff like this.

I *do* need a beer.

LOL - batman's giving me advice.

Brewfan,

And I just cracked open a Dead Guy (Rogue).

Cheers and Happy Friday!

I’m a bitch, I’m a bitch
Oh the Batman's back
Stone cold sober as a matter of fact
I can bitch, I can bitch
`cause I’m better than you
It’s the way that I move
The things that I do...

(apologies to Elton John)

I drink Dead Guy too. Random beer I found at Vons that I just so happen to like. Never heard of it before though - where you at Batman?

And, on further reflection, you are most likely right - misanthrope is most likely a better word. However, the people that I explicitly *really* don't like here at work, are all in that department, they're all "chatty cathy's" and they're all women. Hence, misogynist. ;)

fat kid,

Once you take away reason and accountability, all you have is the batman. Let it go, brother.

PS - I like your pics a few posts down from your snapping, but I gotta tell you, Corralejo is expensive but it isn't even 100% agave. Go for the Jose Cuervo "Tradicional" for cheap but primo agave tequila, and the Herradura Reposado for the best drinking of your life (no hangover!)

I drink Dead Guy too. Random beer I found at Vons that I just so happen to like. Never heard of it before though - where you at Batman?

Why Oregon, or course - home of more truly great craft breweries per capita than anywhere else in the nation (Rogue, Des Chutes, Full Sail, Bridgeport, ad infinitum...)

Hey, if you like Dead Guy you can't be all bad! ;-)

Oh, for pete's sake! The Batman is in Oregon?

Not in PDX, please tell me.

although it would fit nicely with your "wierdness," batty.

(I'm just razzing you bat, no overt antagonizm intended)

And Batman, let's just see if you are respectable in the realm of malt and barley concoctions, which is the best overall beer in our fair state?

(and you better say Mirror Pond)

Oregon, eh? Yeah, they actually do turn out some good brews up there. I'll give you the "per capita" claim, however I'm gonna say my favorite 'micro-brew' has got to be Harpoon - out of Boston/VT. I was on a triathlon team back east and they sponsored us - such incredibly good beer. Since moving out to CA I've given serious thought to trying to import the stuff out here, I don't even know that we have local breweries here :( In any case, I ramble, if you're looking for a good winter beer - try "Harpoon Winter Warmer", my all-time favorite. Even tops Guinness.

I really like the Dead Guy (too much!). Mirror Pond is awesome - but I think if I had to pick a favorite, I might go for Black Butte Porter or the Terminator Stout that you can only get on tap at McMenamin's.

Hey at least Black Butte is from the same brewery as your fave ;-)

Stout man, eh?

No ball busting is in order for enjoying a pitcher of Terminator (especially when they have it on the nitro tap). I've been drinking less of the stouts lately, but your taste can't be faulted.

Well, at least your living in the People's Republic of Oregon puts your politics in perspective.

Fat Kid,

You can find Harpoon in CA if you look around - I know I've had it there before... yeah, their Maibock is excellent.

Dude, you're in California - soak up the Sierra Nevada! If your ever up toward Chico, go tour the brewery (They've got these huge beautiful copper kettles that they imported from Germany) and have dinner in the Pub there.

fat kid,

pick up some Deschutes Brewery Mirror Pond if you get a chance. It's a pale ale, not quite as hoppy as an IPA (though I like a lot of hops in general), with a phenomenal malty goodness to balance it out. You won't be sorry

Chico! That's where I did my undergrad degree,back when the place was still a major league party school.

The brew pup at Sierra Nevada is the best. I always go there for dinner and a few pints when I visit my folks.

By the way, November just keeps getting better and better.

All we need now is for Kim Jong Il to get blown up in a mysterious train explosion.

H.D.,

Chico! That's where I did my undergrad degree,back when the place was still a major league party school.

When was that?

Chico freshman class of '84 myself... that was the year Playboy named it the #1 party school - although I knew from visiting cousins who went there before, that it true party rep had already passed

Try a little slice of heaven sometime from the state that brought you such classics as PBR and Old Milwaukee :)

Since we've hi-jacked this thread - anyone else tried "Fin du Monde"? It's a quebecois beer that pretty much owns.

Also the Chimay Reserve beers kick my @$$ up and down the street.

Besides those though, funny you guys mention Sierra Nevada - that is my beer of choice when turd-snuggling bar tenders don't know how to pour a Guinness. Which, unfortunately, is 95% of the time here in SoCal.

I started in '80, dropped out after the Fall of '83 to join the army, and then came back and finished in 92.

The greatest of the parties, especially those associated with Pioneer Days, were in the mid-70s, or so I've been told.

Speaking of parties, if you were there 84-88 you may have attended an annual party held in my honor called "Howard's Wake".

Pioneer Days - a week long bacchanalia unrivaled to this day. It was during those years (84-88) that President Wilson(?) 'took it out in the backyard and shot it'. Very sad.

"Howard's Wake" - hmmm don't recall it specifically - but I don't recall most of the parties I went to :-P Was there a 'group' of folk it might be identified with?

Some of the things I miss most about Chico: breakfasts at Oy Vey Bagels, Flume Burger(?), and the The Kramore Inn; Curly fries and beer at the Bear, Bloody Marys and shuffle board at the Town Lounge after staying up till 6 in the morning, the swimming holes up above 5 mile in Bidwell Park (Salmon Hole and Bear Hole?) and of course, floating tube parties on the Sacramento River.... ah, memories. Oh! and Gas House Pizza (south)... sigh.

Fat Kid,

I'd drink Chimay Cinq Cents on a daily basis if I could afford it :-)

Probably best as it is. A rare treat that I savor like fine champagne.

Chimay = goooood.

That said, I feel an obligation to discuss the original topic of the post, so...

BrendaK: "I'm sure though that the defense will immediately file for an appeal, and they'll get it, too."

California law actually makes a first appeal from a capital conviction mandatory. But even if it wasn't, the defense has preserved a whole host of issues for appeal. However, I wouldn't expect reversal: an appellant has to deal with the doctrine of harmless error, namely, showing that but for the error of law argued to have been committed by the trial judge, the result would have been different. That's a very high hurdle, and a major factor in why the overwhelming majority of criminal appeals result in affirmation.

JM Galvin: "To me, killing the fetus should either NOT be a crime - as defined by abortion, or it IS a crime as defined in murder, but it CAN'T BE BOTH.

I wish someone could explain to me how the very same act can be both legal and illegal at the same time."

The California murder statute makes killing a fetus murder the same as killing a born human being. It then provides that abortion, as detailed and regulated in its medical practice law, is an exception and thus not murder. Whether normatively this makes moral sense, legally it's really pretty straightforward.

If I kill you in self-defense, that's not homicide, because it's a lawful killing. Indeed, if I kill you by accident it may be homicide of a degree less than murder, i.e., manslaughter due to my recklessness, or it may not be criminally culpable homicide at all, in which case your estate might still have a civil cause of action against me for the tort of wrongful death, caused by my negligence. Regardless, the idea that not all taking of human life is murder is hardly a novel legal concept.

The two mysteries about this affair are:
Why did the man knock off his beautiful wife to be with the homely mistress?
Why was this a celebrity case, all over television for so long? He was a fertilizer salesman, for Pete's sake.

This just in: Greta Van Susteren looking for a job.

The Planned Parenthood people couldn't ask for a worse thing to stand for when they open their pie-holes about the Peterson case. I saw one of them yapping their jaws about it last night and I snapped.

To use their own barbaric logic, I thought its about CHOICE??? If Lacey's CHOICE was to have the child, then shut the F up please.

I never had any doubt that he did it. I just hope the FBI gets to study him before he gets the death penalty.

Kimberley, there will definitely be plenty of time for that and anything else. California has only actually managed to execute ten people since reinstating capital punishment in 1978, even though it has more than 600 on death row. Scott Peterson might well die of old age before the state ever sticks the needle in his arm.