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Undecideds Break for... the Incumbent?!!?To the extent I know anything about politics -- and, as you may have noticed, I know precious little -- I knew that undecideds always break for the challenger, by 2 or 3 to 1. Always. Or, almost always at least. Virtually always. I've heard this a thousand times if I've heard it once. Again and again-- Bush needs to be at at least 50% by election day, because incumbents always break for the challenger. You see, "undecideds" have already pretty much decided not to vote for the incumbent, which would be the natural action; if they're undecided by election day, that means they've really pretty much decided to vote against the incumbent but just haven't registered that as a conscious choice yet. On MSNBC tonight, Joe Trippi (Howard Dean's former campaign manager) blew my mind by stating that in a presidential election, incumbents break for the incumbent, the Commander-in-Chief. He said it's only in Senate and gubernatorial races that the "undecideds have already decided against the incumbent" rule applies. The rule is reversed as regards presidential elections. I've never in my life heard such a thing, and I don't know how much stock I put in Joe Trippi. Has anyone else heard Trippi's rule before? Has anyone ever heard someone like Sabato or Barrone or Russert say anything like that? posted by Ace at 02:45 AM
CommentsI think you mean "undecideds break for the challenger", not "incumbents". Posted by: milty on September 2, 2004 03:25 AM
Thanks. Posted by: ace on September 2, 2004 03:31 AM
My question is what qualifications does Joe Trippi have to be this purported top-level political strategist and commentator? If he were so good, whey did Howard Dean, his man, only win one primary? This guy seems to me like Ron Reagan, Jr. That is, someone out of their element and simply riding real or imagined coattails (Ron, of course, besmirching the name of his father). Posted by: addison on September 2, 2004 04:45 AM
I've heard that concept before ace, but can't remember where. Might have been Barone or Sabato talking to Brit Hume. And yes, when I heard it the context was that guys like Morris are taking the "rule" out of context by applying it to a Presidential race where it doesn't apply. Posted by: The Black Republican on September 2, 2004 08:56 AM
True "undecideds" generally split in the same direction as the rest of the electorate. That concept is incredibly anti-climactic, but it has panned out in almost every campaign for which I've worked. Posted by: Larry Jones on September 2, 2004 10:38 AM
Trippi may be basing that on 2000, when it was accepted as common wisdom that the late breaking news of Bush's DUI caused most fence-sitters to vote Gore instead of Bush. Posted by: chris on September 2, 2004 12:33 PM
Karl Rove said the exact same thing on Brit Hume's show last week. So it must be true. Posted by: brett on September 2, 2004 01:22 PM
It is an historical fact -- undecideds in Presidential campaigns have almost always broken towards the incumbent. I think there are only two instances of them breaking toward the challenger and that was when the incumbent held such a huge lead (Nixon 1972) etc that undecideds made no difference in the race. I'll take the hits for the Dean failure but I have been doing this for 30 years and I am reporting historical fact not making it up like Morris is want to do. And just for the record -- don't learn the wrong lessons from Howard Dean's campaign -- it was a miracle that we made it as far as we did. No insurgnet campaign has ever gotten as close to the nomination as we did. Did I make mistakes? Damn right I did. There has never been a mistake free campaign in history either. Thanks for your post Posted by: Joe Trippi on September 2, 2004 05:08 PM
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