Intermarkets' Privacy Policy Support
Donate to Ace of Spades HQ! Contact
Ace:aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com CBD: cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com Recent Entries
Javi Milei Defunds the Bureaucrats Tasked with Reducing Violence Against Women and Yet the Murder Rate of Women Somehow Drops 10% Anyway
America's Worst Previous President, Jimmy Carter, Dead at 100 THE MORNING RANT: Government is Paying Manufacturers to Produce Electric School Buses, and Then Paying School Districts to Buy Them Mid-Morning Art Thread The Morning Report — 12/30/24 Daily Tech News 30 December 2024 Sunday Overnight Open Thread - December 29, 2024 [Doof] Gun Thread: Post Christmas and Pre-New Year 2024 Edition! Food Thread: Raccoons, Brisket, And Latkes...A Match Made In Heaven! First-World Problems... Absent Friends
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024 Captain Hate 2023 moon_over_vermont 2023 westminsterdogshow 2023 Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022 Dave In Texas 2022 Jesse in D.C. 2022 OregonMuse 2022 redc1c4 2021 Tami 2021 Chavez the Hugo 2020 Ibguy 2020 Rickl 2019 Joffen 2014 AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published.
Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups
|
« Food Thread: Cooking For Fun And Profit |
Main
| Sunday Overnight Open Thread (3/31/19) »
March 31, 2019
Gun Thread: Handloading and Accuracy as a Training Tool [Weasel]It's Rocket Surgery!
Before we get started, and before I get all carried away, let's acknowledge there are varying levels of reloading sophistication depending on the experience of the reloader and the intended use for the ammunition. For the purpose of this general discussion, let's assume the methods and techniques are at the introductory or beginner level. Shooting isn't particularly difficult; if you fire exactly the same weight bullet at exactly the same speed in exactly the same conditions without moving the gun even a teeensy little bit, the bullets will arrive at the same place on target. I'm not sure why you guys make this so complicated. In shooting there are some elements you can control and others you cannot. Anytime you eliminate a variable, or a potential cause of inconsistency, you're doing yourself an enormous favor with regard to improving your accuracy. You've probably heard me preach the wonders and joy of consistency in ammunition, and it's because consistency is a requirement for accuracy. Reloaders purchase four basic components; cases, primers, bullets and powder, and assemble them using specialized tools to make loaded ammunition. At the most basic level, the reloader influences the quality of the finished product by carefully choosing and assembling high quality components. Probably the most critical factors under the reloader's control is the selection of an appropriate powder, carefully measuring it into each prepared case and then precisely seating the bullet to achieve the desired velocity results. Once you have assembled your ammunition, how do you test it for consistency? One way is to look at the target and assess the size of a fired group. Let's say you do this and the holes are all over the place - do you just suck as a shooter, or is it perhaps your ammo that's making you look bad? Defining and Measuring Consistency How do you define consistency? Extreme Spread vs. Standard Deviation So how is muzzle velocity measured? Old School Chronograph
Magnetospeed Chronograph Sporter Model
Labradar Chronograph
Labradar at Work So now that we have working thresholds for accuracy, how do some commercial ammunition brands hold up? I grabbed some examples in various calibers from home, headed for the farm, and set up the chronograph. For each type I fired and recorded velocity extreme spread for 3 groups of 5 rounds each, as follows:
Results How do handloads compare? Does any of this really matter? For casual rifle shooting, the Federal Gold Medal Match ammo is what I usually recommend to people. It comes nowhere close to handload performance, but is consistent by commercial ammo standards. To illustrate, the 30 fps velocity spread shown above in a .308 at 1,000 yards equals almost 7 1/2 inches at the target. That's a huge miss by competitive standards but not bad by commercial standards. The numbers for American Eagle 5.56mm look terrible on paper, but for plinking a steel plate at 100 - 200 yards, it's a good value. I can spend a very enjoyable afternoon at the farm plinking steel with this, and it's a great example of matching ammo to your intended use. Why use your best handloads or expensive commercial ammo when you're just passing the time on the range, and a high level of accuracy isn't of paramount importance? Accuracy as a Training Tool What do you all think?
Link-O-Rama Magnetospeed Chronograph Magnetospeed Videos LabRadar Chronograph LabRadar Video GA Arms - Hurry! This Weekend Free Shipping! Scott Duff Publications: Add to your Shooting Library Shooting Sports USA Article: Point Shooting Shooting Sports USA Article: Target Perception
In our discussion last week regarding the benefits of reloading, I didn't do a very good job including the fact that for some shooters, particularly competitive shooters, reloading is their only option for sourcing ammunition. These "wildcat" shooters have weapons chambered in calibers for which ammo simply isn't produced by commercial manufacturers. Our pal TBone bitch-slapped me with some knowledge which I had to pass along.
.38/.45 Clerke reloads courtesy TBone TBone sez: Regarding nonstandard loads, in IPSC shooting you are awarded more points for non "A" zone hits if you are shooting what are known as "Major" loads. A major load is one in which the bullet weight x velocity / 1000 = 165 or better. In the case of 9mm, there are no commercial loads which attain this power factor so you must handload your cartridges, and have a gun with a fully supported chamber. TBone's STI Race Gun TBone goes on to add: The pistol is a custom STI 2011 from JV Industries LLC. Commonly known as a "Race Gun" it is built in ".355 Lightning" caliber. This pistol is designed to use high powered 9mm cartridges, and is optimized for low recoil while still using a round that makes IPSC "major" caliber. The compensator, red dot, and extended mag put this gun in "open" class. IPSC shooting is a fast, dynamic, shooting sport that places emphasis on fast, accurate shooting. Each target is scored, penalties are deducted, and the resulting score is then divided by the time it took to shoot the stage. Very impressive, TBone! Thanks for sharing!
Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome! That's it for this week - have you been to the range? | Recent Comments
[i]Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)[/b][/i][/s][/u]:
"
James Earl Carter was a meddlesome twat ... The ..."
scampydog: "June Lockhart in Lassie. What the hell is wrong ..." Citizen Cake: ">>>The natural gas thing was among the regionally ..." SMOD: "On July 15, 1979, then president Jimmy Carter went ..." blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1): "Young gals in pj's at the store I sort of get. Guy ..." The ARC of History!: "[i]What kind of mean shit can the executive branch ..." Thomas Bender: "@311 >>For details, see the Law & Order episode ..." TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher: "332 Decency, yet Biden fingerbanged a staffer. Po ..." naturalfake: "[i]Airline deregulation gave us people wearing paj ..." Quarter Twenty : "268 Why do I suspect Biden's "eulogy" will involve ..." eleven: "They'll try to rub the Carter funeral ball sack i ..." Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden: "Decency, yet Biden fingerbanged a staffer. ..." Recent Entries
Javi Milei Defunds the Bureaucrats Tasked with Reducing Violence Against Women and Yet the Murder Rate of Women Somehow Drops 10% Anyway
America's Worst Previous President, Jimmy Carter, Dead at 100 THE MORNING RANT: Government is Paying Manufacturers to Produce Electric School Buses, and Then Paying School Districts to Buy Them Mid-Morning Art Thread The Morning Report — 12/30/24 Daily Tech News 30 December 2024 Sunday Overnight Open Thread - December 29, 2024 [Doof] Gun Thread: Post Christmas and Pre-New Year 2024 Edition! Food Thread: Raccoons, Brisket, And Latkes...A Match Made In Heaven! First-World Problems... Search
Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Primary Document: The Audio
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings) George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party" Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?" Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance Collective Names for Groups of People John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive" Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments John Edwards Campaign Excuses John Kerry Pick-Up Lines Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney Torments in Dog-Hell Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny More Margaret Cho Abuse Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed" Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means Wonkette's Stand-Up Act Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report! Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet The House of Love: Paul Krugman A Michael Moore Mystery (TM) The Dowd-O-Matic! Liberal Consistency and Other Myths Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate "Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long) The Donkey ("The Raven" parody) |