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January 11, 2011

Pima County Democratic Chair: I Don't Have Any Evidence To Back This Up But I'm Certain I'm Right To Throw Around Baseless, Reckless, Dangerous Rhetoric About Conservatives Using Baseless, Reckless, Dangerous Rhetoric

Adventures in Elevating the Discourse, Chapter 183:

Conservatives gloating about the biography of the suspected shooter of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) will eat their words in the end, according to the chair of the Pima County Democratic Party.

"Here's what I think you're going to find," Jeff Rogers told me in an interview today. "I think you're going to find that he was [a conservative]."

Rogers, a defense attorney in town and a man with long connections to the city he calls "the Berkeley of Arizona," said that he's convinced people who immediately connected the shooting to the violent right-wing rhetoric of the past two years in Arizona have the right idea. He's convinced that once more is known about Loughner, a connection to the right will be found.

"I think we'll find a treasure trove of stuff from his computer," he told me. "How much of that we're going to get from law enforcement and know about and when? I don't know. But I'm betting you'll see a fair amount of that."

Rogers told me he's closely read Loughner's available internet postings and said that they suggest a rightward slant.

"How many lefties are anti-government?" he said. "I mean, That's not us."

"Maybe in the the 60s, but not now," he added. "We [on the left] tend to view government as the solution to problems, not as the problem."

Fact: It's hateful and inciting and in all ways untrue to say Democrats are socialists.

Fact: We know that Loughner couldn't have been a Democrat because he was anti-government and we know Democrats aren't anti-government; they're socialists by selective admission.

Reconcile these two facts at your leisure.

Thanks to SJ.

Ponder: Democrats continue insisting it's unforgivably inciting to call a socialist a socialist, but also insist that it's okay to continue calling of their opponents murderers.

See, you can't call a socialist a socialist, because even though that either is true, is arguably true, or is otherwise acceptable rhetoric, people get too upset when they think socialists are running their government and they may resort to violence to oppose them. So, that's out of bounds.

However, you can call conservatives such as Bush, Palin, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc., murderers all the live-long day. Apparently people might get upset if they realize a socialist has achieved a high political office, but they will not -- not -- be overly incensed to discover a killer has gained same office.

Compare and contrast to Keith Olbermann branding the right as inflicting a "New Holocaust" on the country. See, it's not like avoiding a Holocaust is a good reason to take up arms and go extralegal or anything. That's just some tough rhetoric, that's all that is.

But if you say Obama is pushing a New Socialism, that is excessively dangerous because people might resort to force of arms to stop that.

But a New Holocaust? No biggie!

These Are Not The Facts You're Looking For: Loughner was anti-government, in the sense he thought the entire space program was a hoax and the government was covering up UFO visitations.

Actually, even on a UFO site, Loughner manages to convince everyone there he's crazy. Because he can't even stick to the crazy topic at hand. No, he needs to talk about...

“What is wrong or right with the current date? How is the current date right or wrong? Why is or isn’t this the date? When is or isn’t the date ending or beginning? Today is July 7th 2010. Why is the year infinite in the date,” he wrote in another.

See, even when the accepted topic is already kind of out there, Loughner can't restrain himself to that topic; he's got to indulge in his brain-damaged sage crap about dates being somewhat arbitrary. (Wow, major insight there, Detective Einstein... next thing you'll be telling me that "Tuesday" is just an artificial idea I impose on the world."

Then he just rambles more about dates and, of course, grammar.


In one comment thread, Loughner put forward his theory that the entire space program was a hoax and that space shuttles were unable to support life, another poster soon questioned Loughner’s grammar. “This is sad to bring grammar into the argument,” Loughner said in response. “Get out of my face you miscreant with misconception!”

Perhaps the irony of that hasn't been underscored, with all the more serious stuff to discuss -- Loughner obsessed over "grammar" but in fact was an illiterate who knew nothing of proper grammar.

I believe maybe that's why he fixated on it -- because he was too stupid to understand what most kids pick up by middle-school, and also (as many lunatics do) conceived of himself as a messianic genius, he invented the theory that grammar is a conspiracy to explain away his complete FAIL at the English language, blaming his own illiteracy on dark government forces making up crazy rules just to confuse him and make him sound "wrong."

Oh PS it's Sarah Palin's fault because she said "refudiate" and that gave him a clue that top-level government people were changing the language on a daily basis.

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