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May 22, 2007

Poll: 26% of Young *American* Muslim Men Find Terrorism Sometimes Justified; 48% of All American Muslims Oppose War Against *Taliban*

Is there any way we can maybe induce more illegal Muslim immigrants and then put them on a pathway to citizenship?

They're definitely willing to do the jobs Americans won't do -- like blowing up innocent civilians in the name of Allah.

Um, seriously? Can we have a moritorium on immigration until it's clear the plusess of immigration outweight the rather-substantial minuses?

Counterpoint: Insta-man links Stephen Schwartz arguing the MSM is not giving enough air-time to "counter-jihad" Muslims.

That may be true. And giving more attention to such Muslims may help.

But let's not sugar coat this: Even in America, where we're told Muslims have assimilated and are more law-abiding and less perpetually outraged than Muslims in most other country, over a quarter of terrorist-aged Muslim men believe that terorism is either sometimes or at least rarely justified.

And I'm supposed to take solace in the fact that many Muslims are active opponents of terrorism?

Let's say 50% of American Muslims are strongly counter-jihad. Hell, let's be generous-- let's say 70%

Is this a good number?

You know my idea of good number? 99.9% to 100%.

50%? 70% Not really floating my fuckin' boat, pardon my fuckin' French.

It's like taking a poll of a large group of people -- let's say white men between 25 and 40 -- and finding out that "50% oppose serial killing, rape, and sexual torture in most situations."

Is that supposed to be reassuring? Would anyone be praising adult white men for their tremendous support for basic norms of human decency if half of them had the courage to oppose psychopathic murder in most situations?

Hey, I oppose it all situations.

Maybe someone should give me a fuckin' medal, huh? I should be featured on all the cable news shows as a "Moderate White Male."

I'm out here on a limb, condemning serial killing the abduction and sexual torture of women, and not enough people are giving me credit for my brave moral stance.

Hypothetical: Let's say a poll found that 26% of non-Muslim American men between 25 and 40 believed that murdering innocent Muslims simply because they were angry about terrorism was "sometimes" or "rarely" justified.

70% condemned this practice of randomly murdering American Muslim civilians. 4% expressed "no opinion."


Would the media praise the forebearance of most non-Muslim American men in condemning this practice?

Or would they maybe have a bit of a problem with the 26% declaring an open mind about the propriety of randomly murdering Muslims as a method of expressing their political disatisfaction with that group?

In other words, would 70% agreement with a fucking common sense agreement with the primordial, basic human code against murder be considered satisfactory for any other group besides the Religion of Peace?

Maybe we should have a parade to praise most Muslims' condemnation of murder in most situations.

Support the Council on American-Islamic Relations

We support the moderate position that most of you will be permitted to live. Either meet us halfway, or we might just change our minds about that.

How CBS/AP Plays This: With great power comes great nuance.

Watch them mitigate the bad news with the "good news" that "most Muslims" are against the murder of their fellow Americans.

One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most American Muslims overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al Qaeda, a poll says.

Like I said: 70% are anti-murder. Whoopee!

The survey by the Pew Research Center, one of the most exhaustive ever of U.S. Muslims, revealed a community that in many ways blends comfortably into society....

Except for a quarter of young Muslim men believing it's sometimes justified to murder those with whom they blend in so comfortably, of course.

Even so, the survey revealed noteworthy pockets of discontent.

"Discontent" is one way to put it. "Support for murder" is another way.

Let's just chalk that up to a sytlistic disagreement.

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam cannot be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.

Nearly 80%. Again -- wow. What an astonishingly high number.

Except when you compare it to the norm. Which is 100%.

That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11 percent say rarely.

"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.

He admits that which CBS and AP attempt to obscure. So good on him.

My respect for him hardly diminishes, however, my contempt for, and last-straw get-the-fuck-out-of-my-country-attitude towards, that "hair-raising number" of his fellow Muslims who give the big thumbs-up to murder.

He said most supporters of the attacks likely assumed the context was a fight against occupation a term Muslims often use to describe the conflict with Israel.

Oh, well, that's okay. The Prophet Mohammad was pretty clear that Jews weren't really human, so no foul, I guess.

Of course, Christians aren't entirely human, either. But more human, so that's something.

U.S. Muslims have growing Internet and television access to extreme ideologies, he said, adding: "People, especially younger people, are susceptible to these ideas."

They should also be susceptible to deportation and/or denial of visa/asylum requests, on the off-chance they've actually bothered to try to come here through our outdated and soon-to-be-mothballed immigration system.


"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America, one of the largest mosques in the US.

Other faiths have them to the tune of 26% of all military-aged men, do they?


Here's the problem with the "few bad apples" defense so often invoked:

One quarter of a population is not "a few," and never, in all of human history, has been defined as such, at least until now, and only with regard to the very inaptly named Religion of Peace.

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