Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!



Recent Entries
Absent Friends
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024
Captain Hate 2023
moon_over_vermont 2023
westminsterdogshow 2023
Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022
Dave In Texas 2022
Jesse in D.C. 2022
OregonMuse 2022
redc1c4 2021
Tami 2021
Chavez the Hugo 2020
Ibguy 2020
Rickl 2019
Joffen 2014
AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published. Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me
Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups


NoVaMoMe 2024: 06/08/2024
Arlington, VA
Registration Is Open!


Texas MoMe 2024: 10/18/2024-10/19/2024 Corsicana,TX
Contact Ben Had for info





















« O'Keefe Medicaid Sting Hits NYC, South Carolina | Main | Two Great Clips: Deranged Old Man Wanders In Front Of Microphones And Begins Rambling About Deadbeats And Cultists; Nasty Bit of Gutter-Scrunt Plays Credentials Game, Gets Owned »
July 20, 2011

Hey, Let's Freaking Push a Marriage Amendment That Can Actually Pass

Here's the current version:

Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman.

How's that workin' out? It's not. It's base-bait. It gets the bait all excited. And it goes nowhere.

It's intended to go nowhere. It's intended to get the base excited, while going nowhere. This gives those who endorse it a two-fer:

1, The base gets excited.

2, Moderates who are uncomfortable with this do not vote against the people who supposedly endorse it, because they are reassured by that part about "it's going nowhere."

People are being played. The political class is pushing a document that serves all of their interests. Those in red areas can endorse it without political consequence. And those in blue areas can oppose it without political consequence.

And nothing happens. Everyone's base gets fired up and the donations flow in, but there's no actual movement on the issue.

And this is a feature, not a bug.

Let's drop the base-bait crap and push an amendment that can actually pass -- and if it doesn't pass, it will require Democrats (and socially "moderate" Republicans) to take an unpopular position.

Here's my proposed more modest amendment that can actually pass (or at least put Democrats on the defensive, big-time). It just omits the first sentence and changes the second a little:

1. The laws of marriage shall be enacted into law by the normal and usual legislative process only, or by explicit amendment to a state constitution expressly creating a new law of marriage.

2. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, nor the laws of any foreign jurisdiction, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman.

3. The law of marriage in one state shall not be construed to create a right to marriage in another state.

Note that this pretty much just jettisons the attempt to resolve the issue for all of the country by amendment, at the federal level. It permits gay marriage -- so long as it's a genuine legislative law (or secured via explicit amendment -- none of this "penumbras and emanations" crap). But it stops all courts from imposing it.

And note well: It is mostly the courts who have forced this on the states, even when a state has acted "legislatively" to create a right to gay marriage. As was said in NY: Hey, at least the legislature did this before the courts forced them to.

This amendment would stop all that "Let's beat the courts to the punch" thing. And if the citizens of states genuinely want gay marriage, they can pass it, legislatively, or by express amendment to the state constitution... democratically.

This amendment respects federalism, and not just for gay marriage states, but for non-gay marriage states -- it enshrines DOMA's provision barring a gay-marriage couple from one state forcing the institution on another state by lawsuit (based on the Full Faith and Credit clause).

Further, it can pass.

Further, reluctant Republicans -- who are covertly in favor of gay marriage, but claim, publicly, to be opposed -- can no longer use the "federalism" dodge to excuse their inaction on the issue.

Further, Democrats will be hard-pressed to oppose this. Here's a little insight: People like getting to vote on things. They dislike having the power to vote taking away from them.

I was told this by a pollster. It is a common practice, for example, to seek to stop new buildings being built by creating a law stating that all new buildings must be voted on specifically by the public. This is a method that people who already own buildings -- and don't want their property value diluted by competition of new buildings -- use to keep new buildings from going up. And it's a tough law to fight, because people like the idea of getting a vote on everything.

It's a hard case to make that they shouldn't get a vote.

Anyway, I consider the current FMA to be some conservative fanservice which by design has no chance of passage and is an easy vote either way. It's an easy "yea" vote, as those who vote for it don't have to worry about moderates voting against them, because the moderates know it's just conservative fanservice not going anywhere.

It's an easy "nay" vote, because people can always say "federalism" and "state's rights" to justify their nay. Even Democrats do this -- this is their favorite dodge.

But what if a marriage amendment specifically did respect state's rights and federalism?

What would be the argument against it then, apart from the obvious -- that a lot of people actively desire the courts to impose the institution on reluctant citizens?

Let's stop the posturing and get something done. Let's push an Amendment that can actually pass.



digg this
posted by Ace at 01:36 PM

| Access Comments




Recent Comments
Philip J Fry: "[i]A can of sardines packed in 2000 will still be ..."

[/i][/b]andycanuck (vtyCZ)[/s][/u]: "283 I love the early goalie pull … -------- ..."

JT: "The difference between a sardine and a smelt? 1/2 ..."

browndog is petty that way : "I love the early goalie pull … ..."

Cannibal Bob: ""That and showing off for the kids, trying to be r ..."

San Franpsycho: "*reaches for brain bleach* ..."

San Franpsycho: "The scene of Biden mistakenly reading the stage di ..."

SFGoth: "Billboard that used to be in San Francisco: w ..."

...: "NEW: UCLA medical school's mandatory health equity ..."

Ben Had: "The difference between a sardine and a smelt? 1/2 ..."

SFGoth: "If you leave out eggs, butter, milk, OJ, Bread and ..."

JackStraw: ">>They've been like that for decades even with coa ..."

Recent Entries
Search


Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
Powered by
Movable Type 2.64