Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!



Recent Entries
Absent Friends
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024
Captain Hate 2023
moon_over_vermont 2023
westminsterdogshow 2023
Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022
Dave In Texas 2022
Jesse in D.C. 2022
OregonMuse 2022
redc1c4 2021
Tami 2021
Chavez the Hugo 2020
Ibguy 2020
Rickl 2019
Joffen 2014
AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published. Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me
Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups






















« Obama: I won't campaign for "no" voting congresscritters | Main | Tea Party Seeks Recall of Senator Menendez (D-NJ) »
March 16, 2010

The Slaughter Solution Will Probably Pass Constitutional Muster

Gabe laid out the procedures involved in the Slaughter Solution and former Judge Michael McConnell's argument for it's unconstitutionality. While I, and I think most sane people, agree with McConnell, sanity is a relative term when it comes to the law.

Shannen Coffin makes the case for why it's going to be very hard, if not impossible, to get a court to overturn the bill based on a challenge to the Slaughter Solution.

The short version is, courts don't do legislative sausage making. If the Speaker of the House, the President Pro-tempore of the Senate and the President say it was passed and signed properly, the courts generally take their word for it.

The Supreme Court, since an 1892 decision in Marshall Field & Co. v. Clark, has refused to look behind the signature of the speaker of the house and president of the Senate (or president pro tempore) on an enrolled bill to challenge the process by which that bill was enrolled and a claim that the bill was not properly enacted. There was a bit of daylight opened in a more recent decision in which the Court examined whether a properly enrolled bill was nevertheless enacted in violation of the Origination Clause (which requires that bills that raise revenue originate in the House), but lower courts (such as the D.C. Circuit in the recent challenge to the Deficit Reduction Act linked by Andy) have reasoned that the enrolled bill rule itself wasn't affected by that later decision.

Look at what the Constitution actually says about the passage of bills

Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States;

Article I, Section 7 goes on about vetoes and overrides but that's the heart of the matter. Notice it doesn't say what 'passed' means. We all assume it means a vote where the majority of members vote yes but that's not actually stated. What it takes to pass a bill is left up the rules of each house and courts aren't likely to get involved in that.

There are a lot of things we take for granted, as being understood and inviolable rules but the reality is democracy requires a respect for institutions, customs and shared understandings. There's no force of nature that ensures democratic norms are followed. The checks and balances of our system help but ultimately it comes down to the willingness of individuals to be bound by them. Get enough people in power agreeing to push past those boundaries and bad things can happen.

The Democrats know this Slaughter Solution won't shield members from the wrath of the electorate, it's likely to increase the anger. This isn't some legislative trick played in the middle of the night on a bill no one has ever heard of. Voters are going to want to know how their representatives voted on 'health care reform', not the 'rule under which the Senate sidecar reconciliation bill' passed. This is not a vote anyone can hide from, it's a bottom line deal...did you vote to screw things up or not? That's what will matter.

By this maneuver the Democrats are showing that they hold the customs of consensual democracy in contempt. While the institutions of government may not be enough to constrain these bastards, there is still one final court of appeal and that's the voters.

Hardcore liberals in the Democratic leadership just don't care about the consequences or what people want or don't want. This is their Holy Grail and they know once they shove it down our throats it's not going to be undone.

There's something fundamentally very ugly and dangerous when elected representatives don't respect the voters or at the least fear them.

Related: House Republicans are going to try and force Democrats to hold an up or down vote on the Senate bill or at least go on record as saying they won't.

Nancy gets a Yes vote to stay Yes.

Added... A few years ago, Nancy went to go to court to stop Republicans from doing something similar, though on a much smaller scale. Good news, we've got her on hypocrisy. Bad news, she lost the court challenge.


digg this
posted by DrewM. at 11:56 AM

| Access Comments




Recent Comments
Way,Way Downriver[/i][/b]: ""Spending the night in Palo Alto" has to be a euph ..."

m: "150 Hi, this is Cindy. I buy houses in (your area ..."

Ian S.: "The only user count that matters: both Ace and Ins ..."

San Franpsycho: " Visegrád 24 @visegrad24 · Follow T ..."

Ian S.: "Axios: The IAF destroyed Iran's nuclear program (a ..."

m: "150 Hi, this is Cindy. I buy houses in (your area ..."

Way,Way Downriver[/i][/b]: "[i]She seems mice. [/i] That Egyptian stalking ..."

NaCly Dog: "Unknown Drip Under Pressure Naw. Cindy is the ..."

FenelonSpoke: "Thanks, Krebs vs. Carnot. I should have remembered ..."

Way,Way Downriver[/i][/b]: "Jacuzzi Brothers (a local firm in Berkeley!) were ..."

m: "148 Let the loonies go to BS. X will be a better p ..."

neverenoughcaffeine: "Thanks m. All of this seems suspect, much like to ..."

Recent Entries
Search


Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
Powered by
Movable Type 2.64