So what we really tryin to say is body count loves
Everybody. we love mexican girls, black girls, oriental girls,
It really dont matter. if you from mars, and you got a pussy,
We will fuck you. you know, thats all were sayin, word.

And I'm kind of sick of the guys who keep starting it.

If this is in response to my comments in the other thread, then you misread what was said.

Making categorical statements that certain women cannot, by definition, be attractive (or only, at best, be barely so) is likely to provoke women.

See comments above.

Ace, I totally agree with you.  Older women are hot.

Right. Ace can't read. Good luck with that argument. Let's see how far it gets you. lol!

So really, I'm kind of tired of these endless wars of the sexes, particuarly when they're started by dudes who apparently have never heard of the concepts of "male chivalry" or "female insecurity over sexual desirability."

Male chivalry stops at female incivility.

"Male chivalry," as an ideal or concept is like "peace" - that is, only situationally the best course of action.

Everyone gets older and flabbier and nastier looking. The reality is almost any woman who is not underaged or way too old is fair game given the right circumstances. If you are friends with some girl who may be plain at work and you get to like her and go out for drinks one night--you might wake up in her bed. And you would have had a decent time (although you might not admit it to your friends). It happens all the time.

The guys with their insane standards (like saying Cindy Margolis is not hot) are dweebs whose only girlfriends are at the end of their arms.

Or perhaps they don't like girls at all. They are probably confused over their sexuality and are gay. A few of those guys end up screwing pit bulls on the porch, or even worse, dead dogs in Michigan.

Oh, please, Bill, you have to get in on this AGAIN?

It's like catnip to you, isn't it?

Why?

Amen. ( Although I do love the geeks. And I'm hot. But that's beside the point.)

Male chivalry stops at female incivility.

No way, man.  You stoop to their level, it's basically like being beat by a girl.

Stand strong.

I'm not making a point with anyone except for you. And it's not a bad one: sue me, I'm a feminist.

:

I understand some of your sentiment about tact, but I still don't think Margolis is hot.

Not because she's old, but because she's plastic. It's creepy.

The fuck did I miss?

Right. Ace can't read. Good luck with that argument. Let's see how far it gets you. lol!

Um, that was never said.

Why is everyone must attack strawmen?

That said, I do find geeky guys panning (relatively attractive) women one of the more ridiculous incarnations of the internet. So if that was your point, run with the ball.

Bill,

If this were over something of political import, I'd agree there's no reason to defer to a woman's sensitivities.

But over and over again the argument seems to be "You're too old/fat/flat to be hot, and I would definitely not hit that," which, you know, isn't really a political argument, or one really worth having at all.

You like a certain kind of woman.  Fine.  Vaya con Dios, and follow your bliss.  I don't see the need for the constant explanation of who falls beneath your standards.

Yannow?  It's just insulting, and I don't see the point of it.  That's for Hot or Not or an online dating service.

By the way, thanks for the poll!

For the record, my points which caused a near hysterical reaction were:

1. There is a rather large descrepancy regarding the physiology of women at 21 compared to 41.

2. Men generally desire younger women and over 2,000 years of recorded human history confirms this.

BB,

Really, I didn't follow the discussion much past the word "cunt."

Kind of told me most of what I needed to know.

BB,

How old are you?  Just curious.

BB,

Really, I didn't follow the discussion much past the word "cunt."

Kind of told me most of what I needed to know.

Well, my apologizes for the personal insults which occurred after me being called various names and attacked for things I never said.

I won't engage in that type of language in the future then.

Hunchback chicks are hot.

You know what I find particularly amusing? Every time this topic comes up, I'm always in the group of women being dismissed as undesirable. (Not so much this time, but if you use Derbyshire's definitions...)

And yet, I'd be willing to bet I'd get almost as many responses to a putative personal ad as Jacqueline Mackenzie Paisley Passey would. Because I'm a quality woman. Did you know that I have a bachelor's degree, which only 95% of American women above the age of 22 do?

Bill,

Yes, it is ridiculous.  And the categorical statements about feminine beauty always causes a riot, so why go down that road?

Not that you did.  Just saying. 

Cindy Margolis?

All this for HER?

How bout that...

Any man who disparage's an AoS female poster's looks should be forced to post his picture for potential mockery or face banning.

That ought to solve it.

You are quality, Mrs. Peel. If I remember correctly, you have many children.

That means you put out - which is always a bonus.

Any man who disparage's an AoS female poster's looks should be forced to post his picture for potential mockery or face banning.

Or photoshopping.

Sinistar,

No, it was about bbeck, who is for all intents and purposes far hotter than 11ty7 Cindy Margolises.

* hopes bbeck notices the plug for pics *

i thought this post was referring to bbeck

Ace, it's me, Chris Klein of 'American Pie' and 'Rollerball 'fame. As you know, I am an alpha heterosexual who only dates 8 to 10's.

As I said in my interview with Elle magazine a year ago, you will remember how I feel if a woman I'm seeing gains a few pounds: I'm not tolerant of that at all, and I have no problem telling my swollen squeeze to shape up.

When a woman isn't feeling good about herself and you combine that with her period, eventually she'll ask you if you like her body. You have to say no.

If they're just looking for you to say, 'You look beautiful to me, honey.' If they do, it's placating. I don't placate.

Just remember, I'm not here to hold hands and babysit. She's got to come to the table with something.

Peace -- CK

Well, at least one lesson was learned here.

BB has learned that calling a woman a "cunt" is unacceptable. Always a good lesson to learn.

Ace, from now one when you do one of these stinking polls, please include a choice I can whole-heartedly embrace. For example:
What Sort Of Dinosaur Would You Most Like To Be?

A Retard Female Ace Moron -- "I want to have hot-sex with Sam Elliott.

Thank you!

Face facts - for most of us guys (ie not Prad Pitt)there are two totally distinct categories of woment:

(1) Real Women - ie the women we see on the street, at work and at home - they are often lovely, smart, sweet, talented etc.

(2) Magazine women - these are often insanely (physically) attractive women, and then they are often air-brushed within an inch of their lives.

When someone says "Miss December is totally not hot", what they mean is "Miss December is not nearly as hot as Miss August was" - but really, all these comparisons exist in a fantasy world no less unreal than that created by Ace's favourite DM. It's not real and neither are the comments.

Aging - guess what, men and women both lose their looks after a while - I happen to think that women tend to lose them a bit faster and sooner, but that's probably because they have more to begin with. But guess what? Outside of the Magazine Girl fantasy land, looks aren't eveything - or even most things. There are brains, talent, kindness, empathy and the ability to suck a golfball through a 50 foot garden hose. And all of those tend to get better with age and practice.

Um, that was never said.

This is what you said: you misread what was said.
Same difference. Ace didn't misread what you said. And here you are looking for more trouble.

Ace -

But over and over again the argument seems to be "You're too old/fat/flat to be hot, and I would definitely not hit that," which, you know, isn't really a political argument, or one really worth having at all.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Though your perspective might change if there was actually anything that you'd turn down.

What?

I kid!

Poor Chris Klein! His hairline is receding an inch a year.

Hunchback chicks are hot.

My monitor and keyboard both really needed that Diet Coke.

I was just thinking about you. I'm glad you're here. Here, sit down.

Look, I know it's hard, that, thing you're going through. You've been so strong, and I want you to know I'm here for you. No one should have to go through that, thing you're going through.

Sometimes, when I'm having a hard time and I need something to do to make me feel better, I saw some wood.

Come saw some wood with me.

There you go.

Just relax your shoulders and let the saw do the work. That's it. Yeah. You're great at this. Feel better? I feel better too.

Alright, whoever, whatever, be nice to beck...

I always think of the Studman69 pic from Fark threads when it comes to these sort of things. *sharp knees*

Whatever, this looks like a big retarded slapfight.

Sorry adolfo, no kids, and in fact, I'm not even married. (And I was joking in my comment above, not implying that I actually think I'm unattractive. You may all rest assured that I have a very healthy ego.)

I thought Mrs. Peel was actually single. But without a doubt, she was smokin' hot.

As, come to think about it, are all AoS girls.

calling a woman a "c*nt" is unacceptable.



Always.  Regardless of the situation or whether you were insulted first or not.  It is never acceptable to refer to any woman in this fashion.

I was at a bar with two female friends of mine a bunch of years ago.  While I was at the jukebox, I overheard a couple of guys, who could have easily kicked my ass, trying to pick them up.  I was amused at their attempts, as I was dating one and the other was gay, so I pretty much knew they were destined for failure.  Once they figured this out, they quite clearly called them both "c*nts" and walked away, proud of their use of such a brilliant rejoinder, I'm sure.

As I said, these two guys were larger than me and could quite obviously beaten the shit out of me, but I walked up to both of them and demanded that they apologize.  Of course, they refused and began to threaten me, but I stood my ground, continuing to demand that they apologize.  Eventually the owner came over and asked what was up.  They told him that I was looking to start a fight.  I told him what they had said to my friends.

They were immediately escorted from the bar.  I returned to my seat, shaking like a leaf, but a hero to my "dates."

Some things are just worth fighting for.  A certain level of respect for the fairer sex is one of them.

Bill,

True enough.  But then, sex is like a pizza.  When it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

Then you must not be able to cook.

^ to Mrs. Peel.

Sorry Mrs. Peel.

Now I'm trying to figure out which of our few female commentors had four or five kids.

Chivalry? C'mon Ace. Don't you think the following statement might have been offensive to women?

Never have I beheld a bitch more in need of a serious breaking.
Old school.

*gasp* Who write that?!? What does it mean to break a bitch?!?! oh, the implications!!

But who cares? It was funny and it was true. But let's call a spade a spade (no pun intended) -- this site is hardly a bastion of sensitivity. Dudes talk about how hot chicks are who they can't score with just like they talk shit about athletes they couldnt hope to hang with.

I believe that everyone, even Helen Thomas (please don't hurt me), has at least a few sexiness points. And a person's points can increase or decrease with age and other factors. It is really not helpful to generalize. I'm 48 and I still find women in their twenties attractive. Dur! But, they look more like cool toys and race cars to me now. My tastes have changed, for the better too, I think. I'll take a real, and real-looking, woman over anything else anyday. Cindy Margolis should have said no deal on the Playboy special effects. Bbeck is right, Playboy Turtlewaxes every model. Sorry for the rambling.

Oh, gee, Allah has a post about Ace with a photo of Brokeback Mountain. lol!

I thought sex was like pizza because it's always brought to my house by a teenager or a foreigner in 30 minutes or less.

Ace didn't misread what you said. And here you are looking for more trouble.

I'm not looking for trouble, I made clear what I said.

It is never acceptable to refer to any woman in this fashion.

Never?
I would think there would be at least a Susan Sarandon clause.

I'll have thin crust sex with pepperoni and onion.

Sex is like pizza because it comes from an oven and has pepperoni on it. No wait. That doesn't make sense. I'll ask somebody. "Mom! Why is sex like pizza?"

calling a woman a "cunt" is unacceptable

Unless, of course, by "cunt" you really mean "Bush is uneducated".

Never?


I would think there would be at least a Susan Sarandon clause.



Never!. 

_{Well, maybe for Susan Saran...}

NO!  You can't make me waver on this!  Never!

BB, I tried to point this out to you the other day. I'm not trying to be preachy and frankly, don't give a damn what you do.

Just an observation. There are a lot of really sharp, smart accomplished people here. You may only get a glimpse from what they say or, equally, what they don't say about themselves. You have no idea who some of us are.

Don't be so quick to assume your superior and call others stupid. And if you call a woman a c*nt, for any reason, or brag about all the hot women you have cheated on and dumped, be prepared to be assumed your as big an asshole as you proclaim yourself to be.

Do with that as you will.

Cindy Sheehan after a few beers?

It's funny, but the "inner person" does influence how attractive the outer person seems.

I know (oh, how I know) my objective physical shortcomings.  And you know what?  Every now and then someone will tell me how pretty I am, which has got to be based on the total me, not my appearance.  I know of objectively gorgeous people who are such jerks that others I know don't find them attractive at all.  I want to be thought of as attractive, but I honestly don't care if anyone thinks I'm "sexy."  I mean that:  if I had to choose, I'd rather be thought of as a respected lady who's smart and funny than a drooled-over babe.  I'll NEVER have the figure that y'all would use as a screen-saver, but I like to think if we were friends, the memory of me would make you smile.

adolfo_velasquez,

That might be me. I have four kids.

It's kinda nice that BB is showing some remorse here and not getting all rude and crude, which I was expecting.

paully,

Ace says things all the time that might be offensive to many, but the difference is he isn't personally referring to a commenter. (plus, it's a joke)

Big difference.

I find the poll denigrating to women and dinosaurs. We should not be pitting women against dinosaurs or dinosaur against dinosaur! This is America dammit and in America every dinosaur can be a beautiful woman no matter how fat and old she may be! It's a proven FACT that all women are equally pretty and that nobody has favorite dinosaurs. We find them ALL equally the same. Look it up.

Sex is like pizza because it's quite satisfying, but if you're not a careful girl, it can make you very fat.

JackStraw: "Just an observation. There are a lot of really sharp, smart accomplished people here. You may only get a glimpse from what they say or, equally, what they don't say about themselves. You have no idea who some of us are."

Honestly some of the people I've read in here scare the crap out of me. Seriously. But I mean that in a good way, cuz they do seem crazy sharp and smart..

If BB is thinking he is the cock of the walk here, well, I ain't seeing it.

That was me at 9:50. Forgot to type my handle.

_{Well, maybe Cindy Sheehan after a few..}..NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!!

You may bend me, scott, but I shall not break.   On this, I stand strong!

Strong, I say!!

_{although Cindy Sheehan is probably the most deserving recipient of .......} NO!

Damn, why do I miss all the good stuff?

My late 2 cents, in my experience, looks in a woman only last a few months. But intellegence and personality just keep getting better.
I've never known a truly intellegent woman who didn't get more beautiful the longer I knew her.
And I never knew a stupid woman who was good looking enough to want around 10 minutes after we had sex.

And for the record, Men are just mostly ugly and disgusting. Maybe its just my tragically hetro viewpoint, but the ugliest woman is still holding a huge lead over the 'hottest' guys. Brad Pitt may have a pretty face compared to most guys, but Helen Thomas has him beat....

I am truly grateful to see Ace bring up chivalry, because I truly believe that it is not highly enough valued, by men or women, these days.

How can you trust any man who does not put the women and children first?

rightwingsparkle,
so it's cool to make comments about "breaking a woman" as long as it's a joke and it's not referring to a commentator?

I always though that sex was like a popsicle on a hot day; sticky, sweet and always finished too soon.

"Never?
I would think there would be at least a Susan Sarandon clause.

Scott"

I agree. And no, Helen Thomas has no sexiness about her whatsoever. None. Can anyone else here imagine being in bed with that horse? The grinding, whining voice with the pinched face?

Helen- "Don't you think Bush should admit his failures in Iraq?"

Snow- "Helen, our Armed Forces have built over 4,000 schools in Iraq and over 1,200 hosp ..."

Helen- "Why has the administration failed to provide our forces with body armor?"

Snow- "Stop interrupting me you wrinkled, old bitch."

I love women but there are some who don't deserve it.

godessoftheclassroom,

I liked what you said a lot. It was mature, honest, and refreshing.

Very groovy.

Gosh, all this tawlk of pizza and women is making me HUNGRY, so so so HUNGRY.

Where did I put that flagon of pork gravy! I need some gravy and butter as soon as I can get it! I love eating a danish, cheese perferably, with pork gravy ladled all over the top so that it runs down my arms and into my carotch.

That is heaven hunny.

paully,

I didn't say it was cool. I certainly don't think it is, but there is a big difference.

If I got offended by off color jokes and remarks then I would have to stay in my room all day. It's just the way it is. I guess it depends on who is saying it. When you know someone well and you know they are kidding and the joke doesn't cross the line (which is objective I know) then you either laugh or ignore. But a personal insult to a person directly is quite different.

Wouldn't you agree?

I had four or five kids.

No, it wasn't you Rightwingsparkle.

I think it was pajamamama, maybe?

The best sex I had as a lad, was with a women in her late thirties early forties. She taught me things. Goddam was she hot.

Now that my wife is in those golden years, things are actually pretty hot. She still teaches me things.

Yeah a girl in her twenties is hot, until you have a discussion with her. You might bang her but you won't stick with her. Sex is mental--you need the entire package.

I stopped at the Andrea Yates joke.

I need intervention.

Not that you don't have kids, RWS, it's just that I was thinking of a different commentor when I was talking to Mrs. Peel.

Erik is right...ain't no amount of political correctness (or beer, or even blindness) gonna transform Helen Thomas into hotness.

Just ain't gonna happen. There some absolutes in life. Crazy crone is one of them.

Ace,

You post one link to hot naked chicks and you get a guilt trip and post this shit.  you need more value rite vodka.  She was hot, even with the air brushing, so PLEASE stop this guilt trip.  Give it up.  You know when men are not thinking about sex, they're day dreaming. 

Da Huh

"My late 2 cents, in my experience, looks in a woman only last a few months. But intellegence and personality just keep getting better.
I've never known a truly intellegent woman who didn't get more beautiful the longer I knew her.
And I never knew a stupid woman who was good looking enough to want around 10 minutes after we had sex. "

You're right EFG. Sharp people.

I had four or five kids. - Jeffrey Dahmer



Amateur.

I had four or five kids. - Jeffrey Dahmer



Oooooooo, four or five, huh?

Piker.

Don't be so quick to assume your superior and call others stupid

I don't assume anything. The only time I would refer to someone as "stupid" is based on what they say.

You have no idea who some of us are.

And quite frankly, I don't care. It is most likely wholly irrelevant to the discussions taking place.

"And if you call a woman a c*nt, for any reason, or brag about all the hot women you have cheated on and dumped, be prepared to be assumed your as big an asshole as you proclaim yourself to be.
"

I don't care. I really, really do not.
Some anonymous person's opinion of me, who by the way doesn't have the slightest clue as to who I am, is utterly irrelevant.

You boys have never seen me emerging from a sheepdip, my skin glistening with hot wet disinfectant, and my veiny crusty melons dragging on the ground, as I open my legs wide and say "Open for business, boys!"

Your not a man until you've tasted me!

Some anonymous person's opinion of me, who by the way doesn't have the slightest clue as to who I am, is utterly irrelevant.



...As are the opinions of a person who feels that calling a woman vulgar names is appropriate and defensible. 

"I don't care what you think. "

Take your ball and go home then.

I was prepared to defend you, BB, but you were just way too much of a dick. I ain't hitching a ride on your argument, no matter how hot young tail is.

Ace, someday you're going to have to write a FAQ that answers why newer readers can't reciprocate bbeck's style of discourse after she trolls through yet another comment thread or why wickedpinto isn't considered to be a sociopath in these parts.

It just seems like a seniority based nerd clique.

...As are the opinions of a person who feels that calling a woman vulgar names is appropriate and defensible.

Fair enough. She chose to engage me and started the name calling.

"Some anonymous person's opinion of me, who by the way doesn't have the slightest clue as to who I am, is utterly irrelevant."

And yet, you never comment. You just sit back and wait for others to say something and then jump in to call someone an idiot or a cunt or stupid.

Hey, keep arguing. When you have a post dedictated to your obnoxious, arrogant behavior and you even have some of us who you have given your special treatment tried to give you a warning and some advice and still you act like a an stubborn dickhead...hey, as I said before, go with what you are.

I'll try not to miss you.

why wickedpinto isn't considered to be a sociopath in these parts.

*raises hand*

Uh, that's my bad, right there.

I took a shine to the lad.

But to be fair and accurate, he is considered a sociopath by most here. It just doesn't seem to matter (as long as you avoid prolonged eye contact and run in a serpentine fashion if you nip out to get the mail).

Fair enough. She chose to engage me and started the name calling.

What the hell is this?  Kindergarten?  I know you are but what am I?

Going nuclear with the c-bomb is unacceptable in my opinion, regardless of what was said about you.

And yet, you never comment. You just sit back and wait for others to say something and then jump in to call someone an idiot or a cunt or stupid.

Actually, if you go back to the thread in question and read post #51 you'll see that.

Going nuclear with the c-bomb is unacceptable in my opinion, regardless of what was said about you

And I made clear what I think of your opinion.

I live for WickedPinto comments on my blog...he's the gift that keeps on giving.

BB doesn't care what you think. I don't know how many times he has to tell you that before you will get it.

"But to be fair and accurate, he is considered a sociopath by most here. It just doesn't seem to matter (as long as you avoid prolonged eye contact and run in a serpentine fashion if you nip out to get the mail)."

That right there, is the exact reason why I for one, adore lauraw, bbeck, Nice Deb, every single woman who comments here.

But particularly lauraw and bbeck. Sue me. And absolutely protect me from their husbands.

You boys have never seen me emerging from a sheepdip, my skin glistening with hot wet disinfectant, and my veiny crusty melons dragging on the ground, as I open my legs wide and say "Open for business"

That would have been soooo hot had Hollywood not perverted me.

And I made clear what I think of your opinion.

Thank you.

Your disapproval is a badge of honor.

She chose to engage me and started the name calling.



Oh.  Well, then she obviously deserved it.


And I took you up on your offer to go back through the thread and the first personal attack was posted by {gasp} you.  Remember this gem? (#87)

Holy shit are you fucking bitter.



Well, that's certainly a reasoned contribution to the conversation if I ever saw one.  I sure can see where bbeck was out of line in her daring to engage in a verbal joust with the intellectual power and agility that you displayed there.

Damn! I missed the whole fracas, and it took me 45 min to read all the comments and get caught up. So I am going to throw in 20 cents worth into the pot:

- If I ever heard some man call a woman a c*nt (and I have) I go Viking on their ass! (and believe me, I have a lot of berserker Norse in my blood). It is totally unacceptable, and I rank it up there with hitting a woman.

- Older woman can be and are Hot. Maybe they don't have the butt and skin of a 18 year old, but they can ooze sexuality that could make you break rocks with you dick.

- Looks are definitely not everything. I have met total gorgeous women that turn me off with their personalities, and I have met plain janes that are incredible because of their personalities.

- Personally mousy women turn me on. Maybe it was that crush I had on my Jr High School Librarian, I don't know.

- And one of the biggest thing older women have going for them is experience, looks and youth can not make up for good ol' fashion experience. HooYah!

But it all boils down to, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. BB like the youngsters, and a lot of us like the older women, neither is right and neither is wrong.

BB, not trying to start a fight or nothing, but if I had been present on that thread when you called bbeck the "c" word, I would been all over you like stink on shit boy!

Now that I have got that out of my system I feel better,.

She chose to engage me and started the name calling.

Daddy taught me that lesson when I was in Jr High. When he said, a Man never hits a woman. I said, but what if she hits me first?

He said, That is when a Man needs to show restraint the most. Because she can't win unless he hits her back. She can't beat his ass, she can only goad him into disgracing himself.

As a divorcee, let me point out that no man ever TRULY won an argument with a woman once it runs out of the realm of polite discourse. She just holds all the damn trump cards.

Dunno, she did use the B-word.

Everybody should learn a lesson from spurwing plover who never insults a fellow poster and is always polite to the ladies.

It is my understanding that the c-bomb is permitted, and perhaps required, when a woman empties your bank account, steals your car, sells your ID to an Iranian sexslave dealer, and takes your last beer. Other than that, it's a no-no.

It just seems like a seniority based nerd clique.

Wickedpinto doesn't have much seniority.  He's relatively new.

Still, you're right that there is a nerd clique of people who have been contributing here for years, are familiar with each others' online persona, and remember when AOSHQ was a much smaller blog with hardly any trolls.  The comment threads were not so gawd-awful long then, and tended to be a good-natured and highly entertaining mix of wisecracks, serious debates, and just plain goofiness.  bbeck is a member in good standing of the nerd clique .  The nerd clique is highly receptive to anybody who adds value to the blog by demonstrating some intelligence, or at least a sense of humor.  Not so tolerant of a newcomer like BB who makes an complete ass of himself.

Why wasn't triceratops one of the poll choices? I mean, think of the phallic projection on that beast!

why wickedpinto isn't considered to be a sociopath in these parts.

Next you'll be asking "Why is spurwing plover allowed to use random capitalization?"

If you have to ask, you're probably not writing true haikus.

Still, you're right that there is a nerd clique of people who have been
contributing here for years, are familiar with each others' online
persona, and remember when AOSHQ was a much smaller blog with hardly
any trolls.

Years...whatever...ha ha...

Wait...

Has it really been years?

I've wasted my life.

:-)

Wicked Pinto may be a sociopath, but he's our sociopath. We've seen his funny side, his passionate side, his breaking side and even his loving side. He is our blog buddy.

takes your last beer.



Well, you may be on to something there.

See, Wickedpinto is not a sociopath.  He's a funny  sociopath.  Plus, occasionally he goofs up and inadvertently reveals that he's an intelligent sociopath.  When he is totally fucking stoned out of his mind, he even let's slip a few remarks suggesting that he is a decent  sociopath.

Wickedpinto and BB just do not fall into the same category.

While I don't condone the nasty insults, everything else BB said was fair. And since he acknowledeged that the word he used was inappropiate, all this piling on BB makes y'all look bad.

He's trying to justify his use of the c-bomb.

To hell with him.

Wickedpinto rules.

I bet he has enough stories to fill ten blogs. Plus, you can sense his quality. His posts are very human. That's the best word for it, I think.
(It is interesting how we can be very human with each other through our machines. There's a doctoral dissertation in there somewhere.)

I would been all over you like stink on shit boy! - Mr. Minority



Trust me, you do not want that.

While I don't condone the nasty insults, everything else BB said was fair.

Well, he certainly started with the personal attacks, which were quite insulting. Long before the c-word. Basically he claimed that bbeck's perspective was biased because she was a fat old broad who mistakenly thought she still had it.

I don't call that "fair."

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but was the original argument something along the line of
'No woman over 40 is worth seeing nude'?

The C bomb only came out because it is not a very defensible opinion. Sort of the Hitler argument when between the sexes.

Any wise man, of any age, knows a woman is not truly beautiful until she is beautiful at 40, or 50.
Any slouch can look hot at 18 or 20.

Well, as long as he didn't attack Katherine Harris.

I don't think I've ever seen such a look of misery and dejection on the face of my daughter as I just did a moment ago. She just couldn't understand why

Cindy Margolis is not really as hot in person as she is in the magazines.

"Doesn?t Ms Margolis care about us anymore?" she asked pitifully.

I sat down with her on the sofa and (as calmly as I could) tried to explain to her why Cindy seems to have inflated her breast size with such abandon.

"Honey, I think Mr. Rove, sent Ms. Margolis out to the plastic surgeon in order to keep herself in the newspapers. You see, he wasn?t sure if he was going to be arrested today or not, and so he planned Ms. Margolis' tit-job as a diversion.

I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at such a loss for words - nothing made any sense; nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit, "Honey, I just don't know - I don't know what's going on with women anymore..."

When I finished her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears, "Daddy" she said, "why are the Republicans doing this to Cindy?" Well, that was it for me: I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.

For once she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. So, she picked me up and turned me upside down...

Any slouch can look hot at 18 or 20.

Pretty much. Imagine Tara Reid 20 years from now.

Any slouch can look hot at 18 or 20.

Socrates, right?

Trust me, you do not want that.

by Wiserbud




Why thank you Wiserbud. That was just friendly repartee between us and I enjoyed it a lot. But when I am really angry, I can use disparaging words in a sentence that would peel the paint off the walls. I was a sailor and I haven't lost my sealegs completely. I have a high tolerance to crap, but when the line is crossed (as I believe it was), you had better cover the ears of your children and elderly parents.

Yeah a girl in her twenties is hot, until you have a discussion with her. You might bang her but you won't stick with her. Sex is mental--you need the entire package.

Isn't this exactly what Ace was talking about - denigrating an entire group of women as undesirable? And once again, I fall into the slandered group! BOOYAH!

(Ok, so technically I didn't fall into the slandered group on the Margolis thread, but if you use the Derbyshire limits, I hit my peak of sexual attractiveness many moons ago.)

What is fascinating is Hollywood's treatment of men and women as romantic objects of desire. If you assume Hollywood wants to make money in exploitation or romance movies (a big if I will grant you) ...

Why is say mid-thirties Ewan McGregor paired with then 19-20 Scarlett Johanssen? Or mid-thirties Firefly actor romantically paired in a Lifetime frickin movie with then 19 year old Michelle Trachtenberg?

Why is say a guy like Viggo Mortenson or Harrison Ford consistently paired with much younger women like Maria Bello? Why is Harrison Ford considered STILL a romantic leading man while contemporary Helen Mirren considered very obviously not by Hollywood decision makers.

If you assume Hollywood is in general reflecting current opinion among both men and women about relative attractiveness then clearly men are considered more attractive in their thirties, forties, and even into their fifties than women of the same age.

Big ifs but there you have it.

[My effort to elevate beyond the personal to something actually interesting. I find sexual politics fascinating particularly given technology's role in breaking apart old social structures including courtship / relationship "rules" ]

Purple Avenger, gee thanks. I'm sending you a bill for the keyboard I just barfed on.

Can't really add much to the convo, except to say that hot older women are, in fact, hot; and that, for whatever reason, Derbyshire understands animal nature pretty well but does not understand human decency. So he's competent at explaining "bad" and "ugly" but not so much at explaining "good".

LOOK, you retards, nobody is hot unless Bart says they are hot.

Don't make me stop this car.

I'll come back there and you'll be sorry.

Oh yes you will.

I'm very sorry if my use of the pejorative "cunt" was misunderstood or offended anyone.

LOOK, you retards, nobody is hot unless Bart says they are hot.

And then you have to divide by two...

I enjoyed it a lot.


I showed that thread to a friend of mine last week and she started crying, she was laughing so hard. 

Sounds like I was wise to let you win, though.  :)

It is an interesting topic, Jim. Part of it is probably evolutionary, as an older man can be assumed to be in a better position to provide for a woman, and a younger woman can be assumed to be in a better position to perpetuate genes.

And now, having stated the bleedin' obvious, I will wash my face and get some beauty rest. All this talk about courtship reminds me that I have some of that lined up for tomorrow evening, when my half-elf fighter will finally admit to the real reasons behind her pursuit of Isaac, the dashing human monk.

Why is Harrison Ford considered STILL a romantic leading man



I'm still trying to figure out Sean Connery and Catherine Zeta Jones in Entrapment.

(That was a joke, by the way. My half-elf fighter's reasons are entirely unromantic.)

"Wickedpinto doesn't have much seniority. He's relatively new.

Still, you're right that there is a nerd clique of people who have been contributing here for years, are familiar with each others' online persona, and remember when AOSHQ was a much smaller blog with hardly any trolls."

Ah, those were the days. Before some left to start their own blogs and still claimed old timer status and then camed back only selectively to bitch. Gold they were, those days

Come back and see us again, here?

Any man who disparage's an AoS female poster's looks should be forced to post his picture for potential mockery or face banning.

Yeesh. Let's not get nasty.

I don't think I need to add anything more to these threads, except to send a big Thank You to Ace and every other single gentleman and lady who posted their opinions here. Unlike BB, I'm not alone.

LOOK, you retards, nobody is hot unless Bart says they are hot.



I hope your 'hot or not' ratings are better than your ability to pick football winners.

Nobody is hot unless Bart says they're hot, and no
"woman" shall have an orgasm any way except through intercourse. Girls that have orgasms via cunnilingus are trampy sluts.

All I can say is that I am not so sure that it's about age as much as it's about looks.

An older guy will more likely date a hot older woman than a plain younger woman.

But it is true that men look for trophy wives when they can get them.

What seems to be changing to me, is the older woman/younger man thing. It's wierd how young men are now so attracted to older women. Maybe it's always been that way, but it seems more so now.

Sounds like I was wise to let you win, though. 


Lightening Bolt!
Lightening Bolt!

It's wierd how young men are now so attracted to older women. Maybe it's always been that way, but it seems more so now.

RWS,
It's not weird, what some men don't understand is some older women have this special something that they can display and sends men to their knees.

cunnil- what?

cunnil- what?

by Bart

You know, what you do to your toy poodle.

See what I was saying the other night now, Mr M?

Maybe not. But bbeck still isn't voting. I don't think you have us to blame.

older women have this special something that they can display

Tits that look like half-filled water ballons?

Pardon me.

Breasts.

older women have this special something that they can display


varicose veins?

(Sorry, I had to do it.  I apologize in advance if anyone is offended by my little joke.  It was only meant as a joke.  Bush is stoopid.)

Maybe not. But bbeck still isn't voting. I don't think you have us to blame.

Oh sure, throw that in, why don't you? :P

If there was any way my vote would rid us of Kerry this time around, I would be voting R. That's about as much compromise you're gonna get from me.

BTW, he wasn't hot at 20 OR 40.

See what I was saying the other night now, Mr M?




Maybe not. But bbeck still isn't voting. I don't think you have us to blame.

Jack,
Maybe I am dense, but I don't quite understand what you are saying.

varicose veins?

LOL. Age doesn't cause those! Sitting on your azz all day, especially with your legs crossed, causes 'em. It's a poor circulation thing.

Sitting on your azz all day, especially with your legs crossed, causes 'em.

Cure: Spread them!




I mean in a nice way.

Still, you're right that there is a nerd clique of people who have been contributing here for years, are familiar with each others' online persona, and remember when AOSHQ was a much smaller blog with hardly any trolls.

Ace has displayed the patience of the saints with every poster on his blog. I also think he's been pretty dang fair in his judgments when he's had to issue them. Should he give more rope to posters who've been around longer, that's hardly unfair simply because he knows them better. And if posters don't like it, the door's here somewhere...

"And if posters don't like it, the door's here somewhere..."

Isn't it a little presumptious for a commenter to suggest people stop coming to Ace's blog? As it's, uhh, his blog and he probably likes new readers.

Erik is right...ain't no amount of political correctness (or beer, or even blindness) gonna transform Helen Thomas into hotness.

Just ain't gonna happen. There some absolutes in life. Crazy crone is one of them.

Come on dude... nothing says foreplay like changing soiled depends

Mr M.,

I'm sure you don't get it. You may have minority as a name but you have never tried a minority opinion on a conservative Republican blog.

I know what I mean, bbeck knows what I mean. Tuesday, hard core Republicans, not conservatives and certainly not compassionate conservatives, will still have no clue.

Who's fault will that be?

If Ace gives me much more rope I may just hang myself .

Come back and see us again, here?

Aw c'mon, Jack, I'm here every day.  I just tend to stay out of all the nasty bashing.  Doesn't amuse me that much any more.  It's not like the legendary flame wars in the AOSHQ days of yore, when the insults were as vicious as they were good-natured.

Isn't it a little presumptious for a commenter to suggest people stop coming to Ace's blog? As it's, uhh, his blog and he probably likes new readers.

O Brave Anonymous Person, it's not presumptuous to state if people don't like Ace's rules, then no one's forcing them to live with 'em. That's how the "door" metaphor is typically used, you know, and does not require any presumption of Ace's opinion; it's a comment on any posters who don't like the rules. Get it?

Presumption would include speaking FOR Ace and assuming what he wants...like you just did.

I also think he's been pretty dang fair in his judgments when he's had to issue them.

Agreed, except for banning Cedarford.  We haven't had a quality troll since.  The blog has never really recovered from that mistake.

Ace: Don't you ever wonder at the over sexualization of relationships? It seems to me that saying someone's "hot" loses the romance and soul mate qualities that make mating so delightful. I think Benjamin Franklin had it right when he said "he preferred older women   because they're so much more appreciative". Is there no one here who realizes that all cats are grey in the night? Better to have a women who is delighted by your sexual endeavers than a women who has a "Queen of Sheba" attitude. Spare me the "hot chicks". Give me the experienced women who laughs at my jokes, can't wait for my sexual advances, knows how to please a man in bed and does so with enthusiasm  and then brags on my prowess. And when we're done is a fun and enjoyable companion. Women all have boobs, cunts, butts and sharp tongues. But they don't all know how to please a man sexually nor are they all good companions.  Its like the old joke about cigars and women. Why is a good cigar better than a women? A cigar is always a  smoke while a woman is sometimes only a fuck. PS. BBECK  has become quite annoying and obnoxious in her manner of discourse so it is no surprise to me that she's called on it. First she had problems with  Michael, then me and now BB.  One run in, he's an asshole; two run ins, maybe there are two assholes. But when you have three different commenters on three different subjects on different dates that BBECK has problems with (none of them sock puppets), then maybe its BBECK that has problems. Review the exchanges on the threads Ace: who instigated the  personal insults and then escalated the invective? I know she is a valued long time blog buddy, but there comes a time when  a basic standard level of civility needs to be enforced for the enjoyment of all.

Cedarford is to Quality as Rooster is to Sock.

Neither uses it and neither would know what to do with it if they had it.

So I read up on the other thread, and I gotta speak up in BB's defense just a bit.

The c-bomb was over the top, but there's no denying bbeck was laying on her "I know exactly what makes you tick after a couple fairly innocuous comments you chauvanist pig" attitude pretty thick. Doesn't make the c-bomb acceptable in this context, but she certainly wasn't an angel.

Maybe that's her style. Maybe this is only a facet of her that would be moderated by a deeper familarity with her finer points, but for a new guy interacting with her for the first time, she comes across as a grade-A bitch.

It's only fair to say that I recieved a similar reaction from her on a thread in which I was discussing the finer points of porn. I pretty much filed her in the same category of INDC Bill (e.g. choosing a style of discourse that is antagonistic and tends toward personal attack) only not as intelligent, since instead of actually trying to reason out an argument, she counts on winning the inevitable insult contest.

This is a purely subjective filing system of course, as I haven't read enough of her comments to form a real conclusion on her intelligence. I could be wrong, and maybe she's the next Albert Einstein.

All's I'm saying in the end, is that people needn't be such a prick, especially on such silly topics.

Someone made an excellent point regarding the pass given to WP & bbeck's respective online personae, which are both considerably ugly at times. It's an intersting sociological phenomena, but I think it boils down to "...but (s)he's our (son of a) bitch" based on first impressions that didn't include their most negative attributes.

I'm also intersted in the taboo on the c-bomb. I understand it as the nuclear of insults to a female, but is it really never appropriate? If so, why? Can women use it to other women, like the n-word is acceptable for intra-black discourse? Also, what other insults are inappropriate? Some people here have indicated they would physically attack someone who used the c-bomb in their presence. I feel the same way when someone calls me a Nazi or a fascist in a non-joking manner.

Honestly I don't get the perspective of the "Thou shalt not utter the c-bomb" crowd on this. I've used it twice in my life, one time deserved, one time not. I regretted the time it wasn't, but for all I care the female against whom it was used appropriately IMO can rot in hell. There are a few other times I felt it was deserved by I refrained (because I really wanted to keep my job, and because I prefer to hold the high ground if at all possible).

Big E, as usual, managed to be the funniest guy on the whole issue. Kudos to him.

Mr M.,




I'm sure you don't get it. You may have minority as a name but you have
never tried a minority opinion on a conservative Republican blog.

Jack,
I may have to reread that thread, but as far as I remember, I was civil to you in our debate. I hold no animosity towards you because of our disagreement, and I hope you harbor no bad feeling towards me. We saw two different sides of the issue and agreed to disagree. And if I ever try debating a minority position on a thread and find myself overwhelmed, I would blow it off, because in the big scheme of things does it matter?

Give me a break, bbeck. As it's obvious that people can leave if they want to, stating that fact is implicitly telling people to leave when it rightly isn't your place to suggest it.

And, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and be presumptuous enough to assume that Ace doesn't want his new readers to get turned off by the cliques in his comment section.

Hey you,

What's with the anonymous comments?

Don't be chicken. Post your name.

Man I can't believe that one stoopid comment I made about not wanting to masturbate to "In the Cut" or the Cindy Margolis Playboy pics has ballooned into two threads of delicious acrimony (obtw that was a total lie, I would totally masturbate to "In the Cut" if I had the DVD).

I'll admit that my comment came out a smidge more misogynistic than I intended and it apparently pushed bbecks buttons but I was just kidding around. She really came out swinging though, I made one attempt to defend the comment and then I just fell on my sword even though I don't think I was being as much of an asshole as she was implying. Hell at one point I think she even kind of accused me of pedophilia because I think Natalie Portman is attractive.

However, the comment I made, while joking, was not worth defending so I just said fuck it. Apparently BB has no such ability to recognize when a) You may technically have somewhat of a point and b) There's no way of defending what you said without looking like more of an asshole.

So again my apologies to all the mature ladies out there and I just want to let it be known that I am still willing to prove I'm not a hater by giving some nice AoS reader the greatest 15 seconds of her life (alright 10 seconds).

PS. BBECK has become quite annoying and obnoxious in her manner of discourse so it is no surprise to me that she's called on it.

Still stinging, eh, Pendleton? How very hypocritical of you to complain about someone's style when you're posting an unprovoked attack. Once I pound unplesant fools like you, I tend to leave you alone except for the occasional one-liner...until of course you come looking for yet another fight.

Lick your wounds elsewhere. In case you haven't noticed, you whiny li'l beotches who've regretted posting to me are in the vast minority, even if you were able to compile an accurate list, which is MUCH longer than the ones you're aware of...and what does that say about the statistics you're attempting to spin?

I've had plenty of disagreements with people here. Most of them I can and do still post to in a civil fashion. You and some of the others are the exception because you just can't give it up already.

It's simple: shut your face and I'll never bother you again.

Is there any pizza left?

Give me a break, bbeck.

*Eye roll, disrepsect returned in general direction of Brave Anonymous Poster*

As it's obvious that people can leave if they want to, stating that fact is implicitly telling people to leave when it rightly isn't your place to suggest it.

It's everyone's place to suggest that if people don't like a site then they can leave it. It's AKA common sense, which you're sorely lacking.

See, what I said is not obvious at all. Look...

And, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and be presumptuous enough to assume that Ace doesn't want his new readers to get turned off by the cliques in his comment section.

...it's Ace's site to permit whatever the heck he wants in his Comments section. Obvious, right? You would think. Yet you feel the need to tell him that new readers may get turned off by what he allows (and of course, they may LIKE it, too). Why, that's obvious too...but you just HAD to point that out instead of, you know, using said door.

So don't try to tell me something's obvious to everyone when it's obviously not obvious to you.

Big E, please don't feel badly about it. I thought you were pretty darn gracious considering how I came back at you, and I apologize for that. And you're absolutely right, it wasn't worth arguing about.

You were pretty darn funny too, and that always helps.

Mr. M-

If I gave the impression it was you who turned me off the R lever, I apologize. Not my intent at all. In fact, I addressed my comments to you today, and the other day, for just the opposite reason.

You asked me the other day not to judge everyone by a few chucklehead posters. I was a Republican long before some of the diehards on this thread were born. And I'm still hung like a giraffe and I have an ass that would make bbeck cry with envy.

But I am an Independent now and as much as I despise the Dems, the Repubs need to give me a reason to vote for them. I pay more taxes and have been around longer than most. I don't need lectures and speeches. Just to be inspired.

Sitting on my ass next Tuesday and watching the worst possible rerun is winning right now. Who's fault is that?

So I read up on the other thread, and I gotta speak up in BB's defense just a bit.

It's about time. Poor guy needs help.

The c-bomb was over the top, but there's no denying bbeck was laying on her "I know exactly what makes you tick after a couple fairly innocuous comments you chauvanist pig" attitude pretty thick.

Oh, there's no denying, I was piling it on him. I take it you didn't notice that I stopped posting seriously to BB VERY early and treated him like the azz he was portraying.

Doesn't make the c-bomb acceptable in this context, but she certainly wasn't an angel.

Thank goodness.

I understand it as the nuclear of insults to a female, but is it really never appropriate?

I thought earlier in this thread there was agreement that you can use it if she drinks you last beer.  :)

That's different from using it just because she goes off on you in a comment thread. 

The curious thing about that thread is that BB and bbeck were both making fundamentally mundane points.

BB:  For millenia, men have exhibited a preference for younger women.  That is why, for example, women spend billions on cosmetics to look younger.

bbeck:  In modern times, Hollywood (which I take to mean all mass media) exerts a powerful and pervasive influence on male preferences regarding women, and tends to ignore and implicitly disparage the beauty and sexuality of older woman who are just as hot.

Both observations strike me as being equally unremarkable and uncontroversial.  Watching the discussion degenerate into repetitive insults, strawman accusations, demands for citations and so forth was kind of like driving by a car crash where you can't help but slow down to take a look.

And I'm still hung like a giraffe and I have an ass that would make bbeck cry with envy.

*tries to picture a giraffe in a wetsuit*

That's disturbing.

Fine, bbeck, I get it, you simply like to argue.

If you really don't understand that it's bad form to deliver a "there's the door" line when it's not your blog, I won't waste anymore time with you.

Sitting on my ass next Tuesday and watching the worst possible rerun is winning right now. Who's fault is that?

Wait a second! When did you join my side? Did I miss something?

BTW, I do plan to vote. I'm going to vote for the guy on the ballot who runs the really good catfish restaurant on the other side of town. That's more inspiring than my R rep's position on amnesty.

Watching the discussion degenerate into repetitive insults, strawman accusations, demands for citations and so forth was kind of like driving by a car crash where you can't help but slow down to take a look.

As usual, I'm the one in the back who doesn't even get to see what caused the traffic jam in the first place. :P

I take it you didn't notice that I stopped posting seriously to BB VERY early and treated him like the azz he was portraying.

I frankly couldn't believe it was a topic worth serious thought to begin with.

As Michael pointed out, "Both observations strike me as being equally unremarkable and uncontroversial. "

Fine, bbeck, I get it, you simply like to argue.

LOL. Yeah, contrary to ALL my posts in this thread alone and ignoring the fact that I wouldn't be correcting you if you hadn't stuck your nostrils in, you'll see what you want to. 'K.

If you really don't understand that it's bad form to deliver a "there's the door" line when it's not your blog, I won't waste anymore time with you.

You're right, I don't see how supporting Ace's decision to run his blog how he pleases and without criticism is bad form. I only see how criticizing how he runs his blog is bad form. Me so silly.

"strawman accusations"

Why is this the lazy accusation of every intelligent person? Thats a BB defense, don't fall for it. And frankly, its racist.

Don't be disturbed, bbeck. Don't be wondering either. It all fits in the wetsuit.

I frankly couldn't believe it was a topic worth serious thought to begin with.

Well, I suppose it could have been, but it just didn't turn out that way.

As Michael pointed out, "Both observations strike me as being equally unremarkable and uncontroversial. "

..and only one was addressing my point. But hey, it's tough to talk triangles when your listener is hearing squares.

There's no need to relive it, though. It all appears to be winding down.

It all fits in the wetsuit.

I take it you don't wear a shorty.

"I take it you don't wear a shorty."

You know I don't.

If you really don't understand that it's bad form....

This, from the guy who won't even post a name? lol.

Wow, I guess I missed some wild and crazy stuff. I read up on most of it. My only comment (kinda funny): Ever since the ESC thread, everytime I saw a jj comment, I mistakingly thought that jj was bb, and was wondering why he wasn't being so obnoxious anymore. Then they both showed up in the same thread and bb called bbeck the c-word, and I realized my mistake.

Dang, if that's how he treats the regulars around here, I wonder how he would treat an actual troll, (if he's around long enough for us to find out).

Leave it to me to be late to the party. And leave it to me to elevate the level of discussion by pointing out that bbeck is hot. Hot, hot, hot. In a New York minute, I would. Not that, I mean.....oh, never mind.

BB, or as I like to call him, dubble-B, is great at swatting the trolls. He's an asset to the dextrosphere.

Yeah, he's a rude prick. But that's okay. He's like our very own Ann Coulter.

No, wait. I'm Ann Coulter. He's Michael Savage.

Ace is Tucker Carlson.

bbeck, sorry, but right now you're like Robert Novak.

No, that's not right. Ace is Peggy Noonan and bbeck is Tucker Carlson.

JackStraw is Robert Novak. And I'm Sean Hannity.

Mr. Minority is Ann Coulter.

Damn. I really wanted to be Ann Coulter.

Oh, and Knemon is Alan Colmes.

Gee Craig, you can be late to the party ANYTIME. :)

And Bart, you're Susan Estrich.

FWIW, I thought this was an explanation as to how John Kerry keeps stepping in it. I thought it was an extended metaphor over his latest stupidity (I was offline yesterday taking a killer actuarial exam. My brains are addled, what can I say.)

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out what exactly the problem is. Older women are less attractive to men than younger women? Okay. Men should be a little more tactful about that, especially as their chances of bedding 20-year-olds declines over the years? Uh, yeah.

Oh, I'm a female commenter with 3 kids (so far... the oldest is 3 1/2 y.o.). So you know I put out, for my husband, that is. It is no lie that one's body isn't exactly "hard" after having 3 kids over the space of three years. But then, the only time I'm really able to fill out a bra is when I'm pregnant or nursing, so I've got that going for me.

Anyway, if one can't lie to preserve social niceties, you are going to have a difficult life. And this goes for women as well as men. I will leave it at that.

I'm coming in late as well, but have a few things to add, I think.

I have only been around a few months, but I have learned a couple things.

Never Never NEVER argue with bbeck, unless you intend to remain civil with her. If you bring it, be prepared to have your ass handed to you in a paper sack.

All of the old timers tend to argue at times, and can be quite nasty with each other. Doesn't mean they don't like each other, just means they trust each other. enough to argue and not take it to heart

I am glad WP is on my side, I would hide and cry like a little girl if he came after me.

It has been said before, but ALL of the women here are HAWT! I'll take smart and funny over young and plastic any day. The last woman I dated was 2 years older than me,and OMG every man in the room would turn to look when she walked in, she had an aura of hot. Not bad for a 50 y/o.

And I'll also never forget that Nice Deb looks like that German beer chick.

All women have hot buttons, one's that you will regret pushing if you do. The c-bomb seems to be the "easy" button. You can piss off a woman faster saying that than if you tell her her butt looks big in that dress. I learned many years ago not to use that word unless I was willing to face the consequences; and I'm never willing to face those consequences again!

Kane

If I gave the impression it was you who turned me off the R lever, I
apologize. Not my intent at all. In fact, I addressed my comments to
you today, and the other day, for just the opposite reason.

Apology accepted, and thank you.

Hey wait a minute, you used me! I feel so......cheap :-p


Mr. Minority is Ann Coulter.


Sweeeeeeeeet!

Mr. Minority is Ann Coulter.



Actually if it is an honest debate, I maintain civility. Because I want the debate to be about ideas and facts, not to be sidetracked by the use of nasty words. If it is an argument or a pissing match, then the caustic words and phrases come out. And if the person is a lefty moonbat, the gloves come off and beware of the sting of the tongue!

I wouldn't be correcting you if you hadn't stuck your nostrils in

Aw, she's back.
"Correcting" no less!

For her, "correcting" means typing her silly opinion over & over.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but was the original argument something along the line of
'No woman over 40 is worth seeing nude'?

That was never said by me.

But of course bbeck, you know the one "correcting" everyone, claimed I said that.

-------------
Why is this the lazy accusation of every intelligent person? Thats a BB defense, don't fall for it. And frankly, its racist.

Um, she made strawmen arguments and I clearly demonstrated such. I also find it amusing not one of you aging losers bothered to defend the silly bullshit which was her commentary. You only commented on the name calling.

Well, that's certainly a reasoned contribution to the conversation if I ever saw one. I sure can see where bbeck was out of line in her daring to engage in a verbal joust with the intellectual power and agility that you displayed there.

Posted by loserbud

Yes stupid, let's pretend that's all I said before or after that comment.

What is it with you morons and the strawmen?

I also find it amusing not one of you aging losers bothered to defend the silly bullshit which was her commentary.

As Michael pointed out, neither argument was particularly novel or controversial. It's the tone we objected to. A tone which doesn't seem to be improving.

..and only one was addressing my point. But hey, it's tough to talk triangles when your listener is hearing squares.

And, I invited you to point out any "point" of yours I missed.

As I said, what I stated was fact. You disputed the facts and then ran from disputing them and are now saying "only one" address your "point."

You have no point bbeck.

Unlike BB, I'm not alone.

Posted by bbeck

Hilarious.
And unlike you, I'm not old and lying to myself about it.

Jesus Christ.

You kids just wait til your father comes home and I tell him about all this mess. Now go upstairs and get cleaned up for supper.

*takes paddle off the wall*

Well, I knew I wasn't going to get to be Ann Coulter.

I'm resigned to my fate - Mort Kondracke.

BB,

Let it go, dude.

How about Paul Begala, Pat Buchanon, and James Carville?

Awwww.....I missed the fireworks.

Curse you NWN2!

Naw, I don't mean that. I love you NWN2. Come over here. Let me give you some sugar....

Mrs. Peel's Two-Step Plan to Peace:

Step 1: Men will refrain from describing an entire class of women as undesirable (unless it's liberals). If one's opinion must be presented, it can be done so neutrally.
Okay: "While there are many exceptions, in general, a woman in her twenties is more attractive than a woman in her forties, due to various inescapable consequences of aging."
Not Okay: "I would never hit a woman in her forties! They probably fart dust. What the hell is that about?!"

Step 2: In the event that such an opinion is expressed, women will refrain from taking it personally. If one feels the need to respond, one may do so in a calm manner.
Okay: "I was hurt by your statement that women below 5'4" are too short to be attractive, because I am 5'1", and sometimes I am slightly insecure about the fact that I can still purchase clothing from the children's section at Dillards. Please respect my insecurities by not attacking short women."
Not Okay: "Fuck you, buddy! Short women are ten times as hot as tall women and TONS of random anonymous guys have assured me that I am totally hot! I bet your tall-woman thing means you just like to 'beat it' to 'N'Sync!"

If these two steps are followed, peace will reign in the comments section.

And now, I must go to work.

Any wise man, of any age, knows a woman is not truly beautiful until she is beautiful at 40, or 50. Any slouch can look hot at 18 or 20

Only tangentially related, but for guys who only find women under 25 years of age attractive ... Good Luck with that! I've heard these guys state their argument only a million times, and how they're only "being honest." Thanks for the honestly, really means a lot. But who is going to be happier in life? My husband thinks I'm getting hotter as I age. Who's the fool?

And, FTR, I have five kids - the topic came up "upthread."

And, I invited you to point out any "point" of yours I missed.

As I said, what I stated was fact. You disputed the facts and then ran from disputing them and are now saying "only one" address your "point."

You have no point bbeck.

Ace already said,

BB,

I'm going to give you a time-out.

End of thread for you.

Post again on this subject or call someone a "cunt" and I'll ban you.

You just posted again on the subject.

I'll leave you for him to handle.

You know I really have had to bite my lip (so to speak) on this thread.

You guys don't even realize how insulting you are being. Fine. No biggie.

The men who get the women who are a joy to live with and play with are the ones who understand that it isn't all about the sex. It's about so much more.

Don't get me started. Men are clueless.

Now, to Bart, I want to be Peggy Noonan. She is intelligent, classy, and has bone structure I would kill for.

Oh yeah... and she is in her 40's.

Just something to think about.

You just posted again on the subject.

I'll leave you for him to handle.

Posted by: bbeck

Um, if you bothered yourself to read up, you'd see he responded to me in this post.

RWS, word. I've been insulted a bunch of times in this discussion (especially when that one guy said women in their 20s are all airheads and not worth pursuing), so I keep trying to defuse the situation with a little humor.

And then no one laughs.

Screw you guys, I'm going to work.

Mrs. Peel's Two-Step Plan to Peace:

Sounds reasonable.

And again, for the record I never, ever, anywhere said older women are undesirable. Despite bbeck's insistence otherwise.

I've been insulted a bunch of times in this discussion (especially when that one guy said women in their 20s are all airheads and not worth pursuing)

I'm sure he meant all liberal women. Which most of them are. Liberal, I mean.

I especially enjoyed the "aging losers" comment. Unless our naif is is deceased or living in an anti-entropic universe, calling someone "aging" is not very discriminating. In fact, he's a proud member of the aging ranks of humanity. And he's commenting here, so "losers" is implicit.

Mrs. Peel's Two-Step Plan to Peace:

Only two steps? Brainbeau has 4 or 5.

Kick ass, lauraw is gonna start spanking people.

Me first please.

'cause I'll be damned if anybody's going to smack my bare ass with a paddle after it's been anywhere near most of these guys.

Unless our naif is is deceased or living in an anti-entropic universe

Screw you too, geoff.

How bout an anti-geoff universe? Like that one? Huh? Huh? Didn't think so!

Mrs. Peel, insofar that twentysomethings need defending, certainly not all young women are airheads. But, it does confound (us women over 35) as to what a 40+ man would find interesting in a 21 y/o. Beside, of course, her body. Having worked with younger people (when I bartended), I have to say I found younger people amusing and at times entertaining, I just didn't find many to be intellectually stimulating. Certainly, there were a few, but on average? Not so much. The intelligent ones usually lacked in experience. Potential? yes. I don't want to make a sweeping generalization, because there are, of course, exceptions. I would much rather spend an evening with 35 y/o than 25 y/os. I have more in common with them. I would think this would go both ways (that a 21 y/o girl would rather date a man close to her age.)

And then no one laughs.

I laughed, Mrs. Peel. I knew you were joking.

And here, I don't want Entropy to feel left out...

How bout an anti-geoff universe? Like that one? Huh? Huh? Didn't think so!

HAR!

I would hate either universe.

Entropy, are you still not voting?

I didn't fully realize until I was in my late twenties that a lot of people just out of their teens don't have a real personality. I learned this by dating younger men.

I also understood that they didn't need one!

Now lets stop please. It hurts me when my fakey-internet friends fight. Really. My sides are splitting.

Somebody has to be mature enough to quit trying to get the last word, like anybody gives a shit anymore.

loserbud - hyuck, that there shore is sum funny shit, that is.  Ain't no one ever done called me that before.  Hyuck.



I really couldn't give less than a shit about what you said before or after you started making it personal.  You had an opinion, someone disagreed and you almost immediately got all pissy about it and resorted to personal attacks, because you weren't getting your way.

Please, explain to me how actually quoting you as a way of showing where the conversation turned personal is setting up a "strawman?"  They were your words and they were not taken out of context.  Oh, wait, everything is a strawman.  That's right.  I guess if that's the only logical fallacy you ever heard of, then that's what you go with.

As has been said, the whole discussion was pretty ridiculous, but you went over the top and then tried to blame someone else for your childish responses.  Your use of vulgarity only emphasized the weakness of your position and your intellectual depth.  But, please, continue trying to convince someone, ANYONE, that you were right.  That shit is GOLD.  Comedy GOLD!!

Somebody has to be mature enough to quit trying to get the last word, like anybody gives a shit anymore.

HEY, I already stopped so I also win the maturity thing. Dang it.

And here's a PS about the voting thing that will be sure to satisfy the critics...well, the legitimate ones...

I'm voting for this guy next week.

He's a Republican and he's not the R incumbent, which means I can still protest the current Republican Congress while voting for one. Too cool.

PPS: as I mentioned in the other thread, this Kelley guy runs a tasty catfish restaurant, and he gives FREE meals to veterans. That's at least one cause I can get behind.

BBeck, in lovely scenic Illinois we have a historic event unfolding.

This is the first time ever that both candidates for governor, both incumbant and challenger, have OVER a 50% DISapproval rating.

This is despite the fact that 40% of our state is probably on at least one of these two stooges payrolls.

If I had to make a prediction : Blagojevich (incumbant D) will win, and then will be convicted on criminal charges and put in jail before his term expires, which will make the 2nd governor in a row we've had that happen with.

They might put him in the same cell as our last governor, Ryan (R).

I'm writing in Mike Ditka.

Please, explain to me how actually quoting you as a way of showing where the conversation turned personal is setting up a "strawman?" 

Because

That

Wasn't

All

I

Said.

Get it, yet?

As has been said, the whole discussion was pretty ridiculous, but you went over the top and then tried to blame someone else for your childish responses. 

No I didn't. I merely pointed out she started the name calling. My opinion of bbeck is on the record, clear, and not in dispute obviously.

HEY, I already stopped so I also win the maturity thing. Dang it.

Could you possibly have any higher opinion of yourself?

Speaking of Illinois, Judy Baar Topinka is kinda hot; I've met her in person--she knows her stuff and would make a fine governor. I cast one of my absentee ballots for her; in fact, I voted for Sarah Palin in Alaska too. Good year for the broads.

Ditka has all those DUIs and yelled at Doug Flutie; I doubt JBT would be indicted.

 Your use of vulgarity only emphasized the weakness of your position and your intellectual depth.  But, please, continue trying to convince someone, ANYONE, that you were right.

I am right.

You know that, bbeck knows that, everyone reading knows that.

Again, not a single one of you defended her indefensible bullshit. You merely commented on the name calling. Now why do you think that is?

I didn't fully realize until I was in my late twenties that a lot of people just out of their teens don't have a real personality. I learned this by dating younger men.

I also understood that they didn't need one!

But, I find it more an issue of divergent interests. Most kids these days are interested ONLY in tonight's party, and getting laid. As thrilling as those two subjects can be ...

Of course, a 35 y/o with those same interests is equally boring to me.

I'm writing in Mike Ditka.

Heh. Isn't he corrupt, too? ;) How about Barry Switzer instead, get a little Okie up north to cleanse the political palette...

Honestly, Illinois has been bought and paid for for at least 40 years.

There's a CLIQUE here?! Am I a member? If not, what do I have to do to become a member? Does membership come with a whistle and a decoder ring? (You aged over-50 people will understand that reference).

Like I said, Comedy GOLD!  Keep  it coming, Rainman.

"I'm right because I know I'm right and I and always right and it's important that I am always right....ooops, gotta go to K-Mart."

Carin, I'm old enough not to be so much interested in tonight's party, but more worried about tomorrow's hangover.

BB,

Now why do you think that is?

Oh, I thought I made it clear at least. Once you resorted to such crude name calling your credibility is shot and any point you were trying to make is lost in the vortex of immaturity.

Arguing whether a woman is the same sexually at 20 and at 40 is a matter of opinion. Yours no longer mattered so why should we defend bbeck? She does fine on her own.

I should probably move to Indiana.

There ain't nothin in Indiana though.... I'd just be adding 30 minutes travel time to everywhere I drive.

Unless I'm driving to pick up cheap cigarettes, fireworks, or corn. Then I'd have it close by.

But otherwise it'd just be a pain in the ass. Also, though they may have a sensible state government, nobody in that goddamn state can even figgure out what time it is. How complicated is that? Freaking corn dust has gotten to thier brains...

Arguing whether a woman is the same sexually at 20 and at 40 is a matter of opinion.

Unless we conduct a scientific sort of investigation. With big sample sizes. And redundant measurements.

Hey - I just realized. *I'm* a scientist! What a stroke of luck!

Arguing whether a woman is the same sexually at 20 and at 40 is a matter of opinion.

OK, I was keeping out of this but that keeps being said. I do no understand.

How is that an opinion?

Women reach sexual peak at 30. Obviously 20 and 40 are both equally far away, but moving in opposite directions.

Arguing over whether or not a 40 year old woman is attractive is one thing (obviously, I would need to see a picture of her jumping on a trampoline to make that decision), but what does "they are the same sexually" mean?

If not, what do I have to do to become a member?

I would guess there are at least 3 requirements...

1. A certain amount of geekiness

2. A sense of humor

3. Not being a moron, but be willing to behave like one on occasion

1 doesn't knock out anybody.

2 knocks out most insufferable posters.

3 knocks out the rest of the insufferable posters, and liberals.

So, you're in, Ed. Congrats. I think.

Carin, I'm old enough not to be so much interested in tonight's party, but more worried about tomorrow's hangover.

Hangover, you say? Try to get ahold of this if you can. Seriously...but don't take it while there's still alcohol in your system. It's actually for migraine but it also knocks a hangover right out of your skull.

Er, so I've heard.

I don't know why it's prescription only. It probably works on any kind of headache.

How is it an opinion???

What a crock. Look, all women are different. Some love sex at 20 and hate it at 40. Some hate it at 20 and love it at 40. It depends on the woman.

The whole "sexual peak" thing is a crock too. Sorry,I am not buying that this something that can be studied like rats. Simply because it includes love and emotion and a hundred different ways of feeling.

Entropy, I'd be glad to explain things because you have the mental capacity to understand, but Ace has already indicated he wants the subject dropped. And I don't think he's the only one tired of it.

Women reach sexual peak in their late 30s. I suggest any man ragging on the looks of women take a cold hard look in the mirror at themselves first. And though to you younger women may be more attractive, it's delusional to think younger women feel the same about you.

Unless we conduct a scientific sort of investigation. With big sample sizes. And redundant measurements.

Hey - I just realized. *I'm* a scientist! What a stroke of luck!

Stroke of luck? Am I the only one who picked up on that Freudian slip?

Geoff, you scamp.

I usually like to have sex with an actual female type person rather than a broad demographic range.

But that's me.

These comments are close to transforming into their own blog.

To BB,

Sometimes you can win the debate, but lose the argument.
It does not matter if you were perfectly correct in what you wrote, or if you were treated poorly, or if you still have more to say. Sometimes the best thing to do, and the right thing to do, is to walk away.

Peace Love Bellbottoms

Ace, considering I just "celebrated" (not) my 40th birthday on Wednesday, THANK YOU. Best unintended birthday present, ever.

And guess what, y'all--I don't feel a need to lie about my age, despite the fact that some might think I should. 'Cause y'know, 40 is "old" or something. LOL.

"So, you're in, Ed. Congrats. I think."

LOL, bbeck!

Maybe we should switch subjects; how about quantum mechanics?

Forgot to add: I'm ignoring the ridiculous commentary by those who, by virtue of their comments, wouldn't garner most women's, or my, (emotional, intellectual, sexual, etc.) interest whatsoever.

I suspect that lies at the heart of their argument. ;-)

Maybe we should switch subjects; how about quantum mechanics?

Beware the Quantum Ducks:

Quark quark quark.

groannn

"I'm right because I know I'm right and I and always right and it's important that I am always right....ooops, gotta go to K-Mart."

Um, except I provided sources for my terribly non-controversial comments.

Way to go stupid.

groannn

Hurrah for the Sun God:

Ra Ra Ra.

*banging head against desk*

Way to go stupid.

Time for the Thread Killah to step in, I think.

Um, except I provided sources for my terribly non-controversial comments.

Way to go stupid.


Don't care, poopyhead.

Way to go stupid.

Damn BB, you are like a hemorrhoid! Just throbbing and itching and just won't go away no matter how much Preparation H you put it.

It maybe time for anal surgery to remove you.

To BB,

Sometimes you can win the debate, but lose the argument.
It does not matter if you were perfectly correct in what you wrote, or if you were treated poorly, or if you still have more to say. Sometimes the best thing to do, and the right thing to do, is to walk away.

Ok.

Then I'll just add that Mike Ditka is great, I love this time of year, Kerry is the one of the worst politicians in recent memory, and the WVU football team was a fraud as exposed last night.

don't feel a need to lie about my age, despite the fact that some might think I should. 'Cause y'know, 40 is "old" or something. LOL.

I don't think 40 is old. Do you?

Don't tell me it's a crock. I've passed my own sexual peak but I've still got women's sexual peak ahead of me, and dammit I need something to live for over here! You can't take a man's dreams away from him.

When I hit middle age and the appropriate hormones kick in, all the unmarried spinsters and grieving widows will tranform into raving, panting nymphomaniacs -on par with my teenage years- whose lust for the few remaining unmarried men like me will not be sated. It's a matter of faith.

*banging head against desk*

Okay, I'll stop.

:(

BTW, my rose bushes are the only flowering plants in my yard that survived this sweltering summer. The only plants I actually enjoy doing the garden thing with are roses 'cause you only have to plant them once and the right fertilizer knocks out all potential problems.

That has nothing to do with anything. Just sharing.

Ok.

*choir of angels*

 Hallll-elujah! Hallelujah Hallelujah!

It's a matter of faith.

Yeah, the same faith that led Jim Jones' followers to drink the kool-aide.

Oh Look! There is the Hale-Bop comet! Be prepared! First you need to castrate yourself.

Just sharing.

Kumbyah My Lord, Kumbyah...

All right, I have to balance out the gardening stuff with some geeky goodness...

The bottle that was used in Star Trek:TOS for Saurian brandy was actually a whiskey bottle which is now a collector's item, and I've bought several of them to put mead in and give away as Christmas gifts.

They must perform better in western regions (where you keep them well watered). Around here roses are disease-and-bugs magnets.

I don't grow them, but if I did, I I'd go for the hedge roses like rugosas or old fashioned climbers that are tough and care free.

Hybrid teas are just too difficult for me to deal with here where everything seems to be arranged against them.

I should probably move to Indiana.

WP will be thrilled to have a new neighbor. Think of all the quality time that you could spend together.

Two electrons walk into a bar. the first one says to the second one, "Is this the dark side of the moon?"
The second one says, "I don't know. I don't live around here"

What a sad little tempest in a tiny little teapot. BB made an utterly uncontroversial statement--adult men tend to prefer younger women, and women try to maintain a youthful appearance. bbeck distorted this simple, uncontroversial statement into a number of nonsensical non-sequiturs and strawman arguments.

I don't know if bbeck was being a "cunt" or not, but dumb was a pretty accurate description in this case. Not that bbeck's dumb--she's usually quite sharp--but she took offense at something BB didn't say, which is Grade-A stupid. Defending that mistake, at length, is even dumber.

The best part was all the hard-up guys who were hoping that jumping to bbeck's defense would garner them a pat on the head from a pretty girl. That's fucking sad.

I don't know. I don't live around here

........

Uh....

So...

Who's going to see the Borat movie? The critics claim it's revolutionary, it's so damn funny.

"In this country, women are allowed to have sex with who they want"

"WHAAAT????"

Around here roses are disease-and-bugs magnets.

Black spot is typically bad here, but it's been too hot and dry for any kind of fungus problems. I use that anti-bug fertilizer and that keeps 'em off.

I have a Queen Elizabeth climber in the back yard along with a couple others. They're not doing as well as the Lincoln, Gemini, and...uh, the yellow and orange ones are doing in the front yard, maybe because the wabbits stop by and snack on them. I'd get mad but they're just too cute.

The best part was all the hard-up guys who were hoping that jumping to bbeck's defense would garner them a pat on the head from a pretty girl. That's fucking sad.

What's even sadder is stroking off a loser.

I had no idea the females were hot for me, too. But since Rho says so...

Give it up, Rho. It's gone beyond pathetic.

There were two peanuts walking down the street and one was assaulted.

peanut.

The best part was all the hard-up guys who were hoping that jumping to bbeck's defense would garner them a pat on the head from a pretty girl. That's fucking sad.

What's even sadder is stroking off a loser.

I had no idea the females were hot for me, too. But since Rho says so...

Give it up, Rho. It's gone beyond pathetic.

That would be an example of bbeck arguing against things that are not said. I specifically said "hard-up guys", nothing about females. At all. So--does that make you a "cunt"? Probably not. "Dumb"? Maybe not, but a damn good case could be made. Maybe if you stop wearing your feelings on your sleeve? Maybe slow down and read before leaping to conclusions?

Also, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to give up, seeing as that was my first post on the issue and I'm utterly uninterested in a victory by either side.

The best part was all the hard-up guys who were hoping that jumping to
bbeck's defense would garner them a pat on the head from a pretty girl.
That's fucking sad.

So you approve of calling women "c**ts," then?

And it seems you've learned to read minds, as well, since you are just damned sure of our motivation for defending bbeck.

yeah i really dont have much to say about this thread. (most)Old chicks arent hot. If they are hot when they are old that means that they were 10 times as hot when they were young. People age. Get over it. An old guy can still get some tail if he hasnt completly fallen apart or if he has a lot of cash. Its Karma ladies. All the young girls want older men and wont put out as easily for the younger dudes. But when the young dudes get older they can now score with the Hot young chicks. Circle of Life and all that jazz.

Face facts - for most of us guys (ie not Prad Pitt)there are two totally distinct categories of woment:

(1) Real Women - ie the women we see on the street, at work and at home - they are often lovely, smart, sweet, talented etc.

(2) Magazine women - these are often insanely (physically) attractive women, and then they are often air-brushed within an inch of their lives.

When someone says "Miss December is totally not hot", what they mean is "Miss December is not nearly as hot as Miss August was" - but really, all these comparisons exist in a fantasy world no less unreal than that created by Ace's favourite DM. It's not real and neither are the comments..

Holdfast nailed it. Ace is reaching nutroots territory by claiming not to understand this.

There is something really pathetic about a bunch of nerds defending the 'Virtue' of women. OOOOhhh somebody said the C word!! Run away!

Some women are Cunts. Anybody who has ever been married or watched the View can back me up on this. Besides - Its a fucking word people! this thread reminds me of the Jehova scene from the Life of Brian.

Dont be Pussys - Just Say Cunt.

There is something really pathetic about a bunch of nerds defending the
'Virtue' of women. OOOOhhh somebody said the C word!! Run away!

There's something even more pathetic about people who use the internet's anonymity as a way to indulge in cheap misogyny.

That would be an example of bbeck arguing against things that are not said. I specifically said "hard-up guys", nothing about females. At all

But see, since the females DID all end up on my side, you have one of two choices:

1. Your MUST include them for your argument to be valid

2. Your argument isn't valid.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you had a point to make. I'm generous that way.

I guess I'll just assume in the future you have no point.

Also, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to give up, seeing as that was my first post on the issue and I'm utterly uninterested in a victory by either side.

Yeah, you're SO utterly uninterested your emotions blinded you to everything said causing you to come down on the Dumb Side of the argument, you made up complete crap about the motivations of everyone on my side of the argument -- oh, except for the GIRLS -- and you POSTED about it even when it's obvious to all but the drooling morons that it's over.

So, that's the whole beyond pathetic thing you're supposed to give up.

What's even sadder is stroking off a loser.

Hmmm....maybe thats why I cry a little every time i masterbate?

And it seems you've learned to read minds, as well, since you are just damned sure of our motivation for defending bbeck.

There's an awful lot of that going on around here.

Hmmm....maybe thats why I cry a little every time i masterbate?

lol.

Or am I supposed to be freaking out because you're not trying to wheedle pictures out of me?

There is something really pathetic about a bunch of nerds defending the
'Virtue' of women. OOOOhhh somebody said the C word!! Run away!



First off, no one ran away.  In fact, quite a few people stood up and entered the fray once this lovely little descriptive term was used.  Plus, no one was defending bbeck.  She was doing fine on her own.  The point was that once BB-brain decided to bring that level of trash to the discussion, he pretty much lost a lot of credibility, no matter what he was trying to say.

Second, yeah, you are absolutely right.  How archaic it is to want to have some level of decency and show respect towards women. Just because there are no laws or written rules about the language here, there is such a thing as common decency.

I notice you don't use this kind of language at IB very much.  I wonder why?

 

All the young girls want older men and wont put out as easily for the younger dudes.

In your dreams, amish. And please read the title of the post: Sick of the Same Old Argument. This isn't the first time you've gone out of your way to do the opposite of what Ace has asked you to do.

Hmmm....maybe thats why I cry a little every time i masterbate?



You too?  I thought I was the only one!

Hey Amish:

that means that they were 10 times as hot when they were young. People age.

Not that Hillary Clinton would be considered "hot," or at least I can't imagine she would, but she invalidates that statement. I know you've seen how she looked when she was young.

Blanket statements, dude.

/I hate getting into this conversation more than I already have...

nice post Ace

Regardless of how offensive the c-bomb is -- and really, it was reassuring to see that a lot of (gentle)men were more offended by it than I was -- it's perhaps the one word Ace has expressly forbidden here. People have slipped on occasion and used it once or twice, but even after being told the rule by Slublog, BB couldn't control himself enough to stop using it over and over again.

For the very few of you who want to dwell on the "argument:" I already stated in the thread that I stopped trying to explain my position to BB the second he said something stupid (the "understandable" about the age and gender thing) because there was NO reasoning with the stupid puke. After that, it was all Cat And Mouse. So, if you honestly think I was making any attempt to rationally explain anything to BB, you just were not paying ANY attention. What, do I need to place a big shiny flag at the point of conversation where it's obviously become worthless to reason with someone? Well, considering the fact that most of you didn't have a problem with my posts down there, most of you can figure it out on your own. It's the late-coming mouth breathers who need it spelled out.

That would be an example of bbeck arguing against things that are not said.

She is utterly incapable of making a single post without doing so.

What I find interesting is that bbeck is so "beautiful" but awfully touchy on the subject of men and younger women.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

Slublog: So you approve of calling women "c**ts," then?

So you approve of using puppies as a sandwich spread then? Seriously, WTF, is there something in the water around here?

And it seems you've learned to read minds, as well, since you are just damned sure of our motivation for defending bbeck.

Just a guess on my part. I like to be petted by pretty girls myself. Another option is that you didn't notice when bbeck mischaracterized or misrepresented BB's arguments. Me, I'd rather be thought desperate than dumb. A third option is that you overrode all logic and defended bbeck because she got called a nasty name. Fair enough--I expect the same from you when somebody denigrates Nancy Pelosi.

bbeck: But see, since the females DID all end up on my side, you have one of two choices:
1. Your MUST include them for your argument to be valid
2. Your argument isn't valid.

False dilemma. You've a habit of making logical fallacies. Really embarrassing ones, too.

Yeah, you're SO utterly uninterested your emotions blinded you to everything said causing you to come down on the Dumb Side of the argument, you made up complete crap about the motivations of everyone on my side of the argument -- oh, except for the GIRLS -- and you POSTED about it even when it's obvious to all but the drooling morons that it's over.

I thought BB's original statement was uncontroversial. Thus far I don't think anybody's presented any evidence that it's untrue. I also think that you've gotten quite a few argumentative free rides because you're attractive and have posted a picture of your boobs in a t-shirt. I posted because I hold my opinions in very high regard, and sharing is caring.

GOD-DAMN IT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FUCKING RESTRAINT WHATSOEVER?

HUNCHBACK SMAAASH!

So, if you honestly think I was making any attempt to rationally explain anything to BB, you just were not paying ANY attention.

You piss poorly attempted, and any fair reading of your comments demonstrates this.

Especially your very first dumbass reply to me.

I already stated in the thread that I stopped trying to explain my position to BB the second he said something stupid (the "understandable" about the age and gender thing)

Huh? Who said "understandable"?

Just another strawman beckgirl...

Hit it with a pickaxe!

n where it's obviously become worthless to reason with someone?

You can't "reason" with me or anyone else.

I made very non-controversial factual statement which you disputed.

Realizing after a while how utterly fucking stupid this makes you look, you use the name-calling as a crutch to avoid the fact you can't substantiate your moronic drivel.

I know this. You know this. Anyone reading knows this.

Just a guess on my part. I like to be petted by pretty girls myself.
Another option is that you didn't notice when bbeck mischaracterized or
misrepresented BB's arguments. Me, I'd rather be thought desperate than
dumb. A third option is that you overrode all logic and defended bbeck
because she got called a nasty name. Fair enough--I expect the same
from you when somebody denigrates Nancy Pelosi.

Fourth option - wiserbud raised it above - common decency.  You'll note that I didn't support either argument, I simply think people can debate on a discussion board without crossing the line and using words that most people consider particularly indecent.

But if you want to continue believing that I defended bbeck because I have a desperate need to receive positive attention from someone I'm never likely to meet in person, then please, go right ahead.  I'm sure it's a much easier explanation for you to understand than the truth of the situation.

But see, since the females DID all end up on my side...

I'm sorry, bbeck, but at the risk of incurring your wrath, I'm not really on your side. I think the whole argument was ridiculous and unfortunate. I just didn't like bb's use of the c-word. That was way over the line.

But you both have very contentious debating styles, and that's why it escalated and got so ugly.

I saw bb savagely tear into Jackstraw on the ESC thread, and I've seen you savagely tear into Max. And then I got to see you tear into each other, here.

Not really fun to watch. 

I thought BB's original statement was uncontroversial. Thus far I don't think anybody's presented any evidence that it's untrue.

Thanks and there will be no evidence presented by the resident intellectual coward because she has none.

She was either killing time and arguing for the sake of arguing, or she's that dumb. Either way, nothing she said on the topic is true or has any substance to it.

Not one single thing. 

Sorry, laura.  I tried.  Honest.

But see, since the females DID all end up on my side

Hahhahahahahahahah, comedic gold!

There's something even more pathetic about people who use the internet's anonymity as a way to indulge in cheap misogyny.

I completely agree. That's why I practice the expensive, real-life gold standard misogyny.

Amish has a point though - the girls do go for older men. Which I don't much care for, because I tend to agree that the younger the women (or men) are, the more ditzy they are, generally speaking. People are a product of thier culture and I'm not a fan of our pop scene. I look at people my age and there's alot of vapidity, and I look at the kids today who are even worse, and I can only conclude that we are actualy devolving back into monkeys.

Which is why I hypothesize that this whole system was set up to spite me because god hates me, which brings us back to the misogyny...

Me, I'd rather be thought desperate than dumb.

You got both, snooks.

False dilemma.

False accusation.

You've a habit of making logical fallacies.

Do you know you just contradicted yourself?

Really embarrassing ones, too.

Sorry you're embarrassed. That's why I was trying to be generous.

I posted because I hold my opinions in very high regard...

Shut up, really?

Now, Rho, it would behoove you to take said Give It Up advice.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FUCKING RESTRAINT WHATSOEVER?

Hey, the mature high ground is still MINE, woman.

and why no love for the Brontosaurus?

Thunder lizard is a pretty cool name.

Amish said : that means that they were 10 times as hot when they were young. People age.

Beth said: Not that Hillary Clinton would be considered "hot," or at least I can't imagine she would, but she invalidates that statement. I know you've seen how she looked when she was young.

I said that chicks are ten times hotter when they were younger. The Hildebeast had a hotness factor of Zero when she was young. 10 times Zero is still Zero.

A woman can still be 'pretty' when they are old. They just arent as sexy. Does that make sense?

Some dumbass said: This isn't the first time you've gone out of your way to do the opposite of what Ace has asked you to do.

Yeah and I dont let Ace fondle my junk either. He's learned to live with disappointment and perhaps you should too.

BBeck said: Or am I supposed to be freaking out because you're not trying to wheedle pictures out of me?

This is the Internet age baby. I dont need to beg chicks for bnaked pictures of themselves anymore. Alls i needs is a valid credit card number, a membership at MajorHooters.com and the ability to photoshop AoSHQ Tshirts on to busty models to simulate all of my bbeck needs.

Wiserbud said : yeah, you are absolutely right.

Damn right I am. Glad that youre finally becoming man enough to admit it.

I already stated in the thread that I stopped trying to explain my position to BB the second he said something stupid (the "understandable" about the age and gender thing)

Since you can't read, I'll spell it out for you again:

1. There is a rather large descrepancy regarding the physiology of women at 21 compared to 41 (and yes Margolis would have looked better in the photos, less airbrushing at 25 compared to today).

2. Men generally desire younger women and over 2,000 years of recorded human history confirms this.

3. Older women try to look younger.

These are facts. You not liking them has little bearing on the truth of them.

Further, men don't like youger women because "Hollywood" tells them to as men have liked younger women long before Hollywood existed. And in fact, women have tried to enhance their appearance long before Hollywood existed.

You have no rebuttal to these facts bbeck. You've utterly embarrassed yourself trying.

and why no love for the Brontosaurus?

Plant-eaters are teh ghey.

Hey, the mature high ground is still MINE, woman.

No it isn't.

Amish said : that means that they were 10 times as hot when they were young. People age.

Beth said: Not that Hillary Clinton would be considered "hot," or at least I can't imagine she would, but she invalidates that statement. I know you've seen how she looked when she was young.

I said that chicks are ten times hotter when they were younger. The Hildebeast had a hotness factor of Zero when she was young. 10 times Zero is still Zero.

A woman can still be 'pretty' when they are old. They just arent as sexy. Does that make sense?

Some dumbass said: This isn't the first time you've gone out of your way to do the opposite of what Ace has asked you to do.

Yeah and I dont let Ace fondle my junk either. He's learned to live with disappointment and perhaps you should too.

BBeck said: Or am I supposed to be freaking out because you're not trying to wheedle pictures out of me?

This is the Internet age baby. I dont need to beg chicks for bnaked pictures of themselves anymore. Alls i needs is a valid credit card number, a membership at MajorHooters.com and the ability to photoshop AoSHQ Tshirts on to busty models to simulate all of my bbeck needs.

Wiserbud said : yeah, you are absolutely right.

Damn right I am. Glad that youre finally becoming man enough to admit it.

I voted for the Brontosaurous.

I'm sorry, bbeck, but at the risk of incurring your wrath, I'm not really on your side.

Oh, that statement was just to make rho look silly anyway. He fell for it.

I saw bb savagely tear into Jackstraw on the ESC thread, and I've seen you savagely tear into Max.

Max and I have not gotten into any other scraps since, Deb, as neither he nor I are still yapping at each other for more fighting. I think you can see a really big difference here.

Lauraw- we can just keep this thread going and going until you give us a better place to play.

You know, it IS Friday. (cough)flamewar(cough)

I think bbecck is already all warmed up.

Realizing after a while how utterly fucking stupid this makes you look, you use the name-calling as a crutch to avoid the fact you can't substantiate your moronic drivel.

From my re-reading of the stupid thread, this is revisionist drivel. BB started taking the conversation to a personal level in Comment #58, with this little jab:

If you're a woman in her 40's, which is sounds like, your comments are somewhat understandable.

But then came Comment #89:

Because I see, work with, and am friends with aging women such as yourself who pretend they still "have it" when they really don't.
.
You're basically no different than the fat guy sitting in the bar telling highschool football stories pretending he's still athletic. The same principle applies.

Slublog: Fair enough. "Common decency", however, is a two-way street. I haven't carefully read the entire thread, and my memory is often faulty, but by my reading bbeck started with the name-calling. BB simply raised the stakes with an ace-proscribed slur.

IMO, the argument was ridiculous largely because bbeck refused to acknowledge her first mistakes where she misrepresented--or, more charitably, misinterpreted--BB's comment. I'll confess a degree of sympathy for BB's frustration, and I think the threatened ban was over the line, though entirely within ace's privileges.

Sorry for the double post. Im temp. stuck with a dial up modem that cuts out completly Every Time i click on a link or post a comment. Using dialup is like being stuck in the stone age.

This internet connection is a real cunt.

rho - I think geoff answers your concerns above. 1:47 p.m.

I think you can see a really big difference here.

The difference is, Max knew enough to just drop it, bb doesn't.

by my reading bbeck started with the name-calling. BB simply raised the stakes with an ace-proscribed slur.

Nope. BB then followed up with a repeated "aging woman" slam in Comment #91, and bbeck start calling names in Comment #94.

Amish is so proud of his words t hat he posts them twice.  Like this thread isn't long enough already?

Well, bbeck's I-Know-You-Are-But-What-Am-I rebuttal is unassailable. By unassailable I of course mean beneath contempt.

This internet connection is a real cunt.

Now THAT was fucking funny. 

Nice recap, Geoff.

I change my mind, bbeck. I'm on your side, now.

Am I fickle or what?

Am I fickle or what?

Typical woman.

Kidding!

and with a name like Thunder Lizard I would probably be getting Rosie's mail all the time.

Since you can't read, I'll spell it out for you again:

blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah........

Give it a fucking break, BB.  If we wanted to re-read your tripe , we can always go back to the original thread.  Don't you get it yet?  It doesn't matter to anyone other than you whether you are wrong or right (Well, exceptin' Amish and he has dial-up, so there ya go.)

Also, as of  today I'm 100% sure John f'n Kerry is a complete asshole.

This internet connection is a real cunt.

Agreed, funny stuff!

. So BB can cease his whining about name-calling - he was responsible for the onset and the escalation.

I'm not whining.

She started the insults. As someone telling me "Hollywood" tells me what to think and I happily oblige is insulting. Especially considering the level of intelligence of the poster making said absurd assertion.

Because I see, work with, and am friends with aging women such as yourself who pretend they still "have it" when they really don't. .

Having only scanned the original thread, I missed this. At the risk of raising Lauraw's ire, what exactly does this mean? What does a woman act like who thinks she still "has it" but (according to bb) doesn't? Is it the care she takes in her appearance? The way she holds her head up high with confidence? Comfortable in her own skin?

The difference is, Max knew enough to just drop it, bb doesn't.

Exactly. I also know not to go around prodding Max. If one of us thinks the other is full of beans, why pick at 'em?

Well, bbeck's I-Know-You-Are-But-What-Am-I rebuttal is unassailable. By unassailable I of course mean beneath contempt.

Rho, that's what commenters deserve when they're no longer rendering substantial comment themselves. Once someone's posting goes south, what point is in keeping it highbrow? The person has already demonstrated the inability to either understand or WANT to understand. I've been posting online for over 15 years and it's painfully easy to tell who's worth effort and who isn't.

And geoff, thank you. I do hope you know you'll get no pictures from me. And I'm saying this so more mouth breathers don't pop by and accuse you of trying to get some. :)

That thread just isn't worth this much analysis, even though it vindicates me.

Now, wait a second. Are we allowed to use inferences? Because in comment #81 bbeck used "Brilliant!" sarcastically. That's calling BB stupid by any fair reading. (It doesn't help that she was making another logical fallacy at the time.)

By comment #94 she's calling him a creep. That's mostly what I picked up on. But going back, I notice she called him "creep", "loser", and "dummy" in that same comment. BB's fat-football bar-guy would be what we call an analogy.

She started the insults. As someone telling me "Hollywood" tells me what to think and I happily oblige is insulting.

Do you really want to go with that defense? You'll just embarrass yourself. Here, then, is the offending statement: You're buying into a Hollywood myth.

That was insulting? You must be Ryan's hetero twin.

I don't think the bar analogy is the insulting part.  It's this:



Because I see, work with, and am friends with aging women such as
yourself who pretend they still "have it" when they really don't.

I change my mind, bbeck. I'm on your side, now.

I've been crushing on Geoff for some time now. Have you seen HIS pic? It was up at Slu's Faces of Aces site. He's cute, among several others.

That's calling BB stupid by any fair reading.

Sigh. No, it's saying that his argument was stupid.

BB's fat-football bar-guy would be what we call an analogy.

An analogy that implied that she was an aging woman who could no longer pretend to attractiveness.

Pictures?

Do you really want to go with that defense? You'll just embarrass yourself

Let's take a time out here.

I'm not looking to have "a defense."

I'm telling you my reaction to this idiot, pretend hot woman's comments.

When someone who has a lower IQ than me tells me that I think a certain way because of x,y,or z it is extremely insulting.

No you may not agree, just like I don't see the use of the "c word" as the end of the world, but that's my opinion on the matter.

Who knew ryan had so many siblings?

He's cute, among several others.

Yeah, he's a cutie patootie, and so are his kids.

Is there a link somewhere for that site?

An analogy that implied that she was an aging woman who could no longer pretend to attractiveness.

Bzzzt, wrong!

Never said.

Never implied.

Or let's go back to #55--"I think all this criticism stems from the fact that guys don't want to look at naked chicks over 40 because it lies outside your comfort zone." Easily construed as an insulting stereotype.

Why are the arguments over trivial matters always the ones that go nuclear? At this point, the energy expended on this silly argument could power a small town for a week.

I will say, though, that, as our friend Jean-Francois Kerree proved the other day, the aftermath often says more about a person than the original gaffe/statement/argument.

Nice Deb - site here.

Exactly. I also know not to go around prodding Max. If one of us thinks the other is full of beans, why pick at 'em?

And I'm never going to let it go now, stupid.

Ever.

I'll be pointing out what a moron you are with your silly strawman drivel for a while to come.

I've been crushing on Geoff for some time now. Have you seen HIS pic?

Just turned 46, so I'm clearly in the fat-guy-at-the-bar group.

I wish Pixy Misa would make the formatting consistent between the old and new comments. I usually use the old comments dealy and hand-format the comments, but then they come out all jumbled when you read them with the new comments thingy.

Warden has a pic up now!  Haha, that's kinda how I pictured him!

Wow, maybe it's time for a "Cool facts about bb" thread.

--"I think all this criticism stems from the fact that guys don't want to look at naked chicks over 40 because it lies outside your comfort zone."

Mind you, I offered no "criticism."

And, I looked at the pictures! Of a 41 year old nude no less! 

As someone telling me "Hollywood" tells me what to think and I happily oblige is insulting.


Then she did that {rolls_eyes} thing at me and that always sets me off!

(At what point do you think Ace will get the hint and start another topic for us all to migrate to?)

Bzzzt, wrong! Never said. Never implied.

Perhaps I overstated it an iota. Strike "she could no longer pretend to attractiveness," and replace it with "she could no longer pretend to the attractiveness of a 20-year old."

Jebus H. Chribist, BB. I tried to say it subtly in my last post, but SHUT THE FUCK UP. You could have quit while you were behind and just been thought a bit prickly and annoying. You've now descended into total assholery.

Just turned 46, so I'm clearly in the fat-guy-at-the-bar group.

Oh crap, I'm only a year older than you?

So what's your secret? Moisturizing cream? The blood of virgins?

So as long as BB was attacking bbeck's arguments he's clear? In that case, the football-guy analogy is acceptable, and the first name-calling was "creep" in #94. "Aging woman" in #91 questions bbeck's motives. If bbeck is insulted with "aging woman", she should modify her argument since it hinged on age not being a factor in sexuality.

Regardless--they were dancing around direct name-calling until bbeck dropped the hammer in #94. At best it's debatable. Still doesn't answer the repeated mischaracterizations and outright strawmen presented as arguments.

Jebus H. Chribist, BB. I tried to say it subtly in my last post, but SHUT THE FUCK UP. You

No.

 You've now descended into total assholery.

Your opinion of me is irrelevant.

 So as long as BB was attacking bbeck's arguments he's clear?

Apparently not.

It's kind of difficult to argue against strawmen.

I'm glad to see someone else reading recognizes how utterly dishonest bbeck is.