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"They were grilling the hell out of me," said Richard Hopkins to O'Keefe. "I feel like I just got played."
O'Keefe said Hopkins' experience would have a chilling effect on government accountability and the willingness of whistleblowers to come forward.
"Richard Hopkins is a hero," O'Keefe said.
"He was a hero serving in combat with the Marines, and he is a hero for coming forward with this very serious allegation of late ballots in Pennsylvania being postmarked for Election Day," he said.
Hopkins said coming forward was his duty as veteran
Hopkins told O’Keefe he did not recant his account and he stands by it, especially as he thinks about his own service and what it means to him to be a veteran.
James O'Keefe: "There's a lot of veterans watching this who served overseas. And there's a lot of people who are calling you a hero. If you could just sort of speak to the issue of--I mean, you're, you seem like a very normal guy who never asked for any of this--and you're a veteran and a lot of people are calling you a hero for blowing the whistle on something very serious."
Postal Whistleblower Richard Hopkins: "I'm just doing my duty and just--I honestly made an oath when I joined the Marine Corps from the get-go and as most military guys say, it's a blank check. We never give up that check. We're going to protect our country and our Constitution until the day we die. That's the point where that check is cashed in. And I've given that check and my heart to this country."
The postal inspector, Strasser (what a great German name, huh?) tried to convince the whistleblower, Hopkins, that Hopkins had hallucinated the entire incident, and that if he could just "shave" his memory -- whatever that means -- he might recall a different version of reality. One that would not put his job in jeopardy.
"I'm not while I am, actually, I am trying to twist you a little bit because in that believe it or not, your mind will kick in," Strasser said to Hopkins. “We like to control our mind and when we do that, we can convince ourselves of a memory, but when you're under a little bit of stress, which is what I'm doing to you purposely, your mind can be a little bit clear."
He's claiming that by stressing a witness with threads can "clear" someone's mind and cause a better recollection of the past?
Threatening someone's job can help clear up the mind so they remember better?
Really?!
Really.
Are you sure that threats just don't make the person repeat what you're demanding they repeat?
Hopkins said he told Strasser that Project Veritas retained lawyers for him, but Strasser told him that did not count. There was also no union representative present.
The postal service inspector general agent told Hopkins that part of his job of protecting him was to "shave" his memory of what he heard.
Strasser also told Hopkins that he would be accused of raising the more than $130,000 donated on his GoFundMe page with deception unless he allowed Strasser to protect him.
The IG agent said the best way to protect him was to have Hopkins sign an "updated" statement that undercut his original account.
Video clips below, and then the whole audio of the grilling/threatening/mind-shaving session.
RECORDING: Federal agents “coerce” USPS whistleblower Hopkins to water down story. Hopkins doubles down...
Agent Strasser: “I am trying to twist you a little bit”
“I am scaring you here”...” we have Senators involved...DOJ involved...reason they called me is to try to harness.” pic.twitter.com/tK2JPu6Wqm
BREAKING: Here is RAW AND UNEDITED Audio of The More Than 2 Hour Coercive Interrogation of Military Veteran and @USPS#BackDateGate Whistleblower Richard Hopkins by Federal Agents He Believed Were There To Help Himhttps://t.co/IJ5JDkIyUc#ProtectRichard
By the way, there is no change in his testimony before or after the threats. The only clarification he permits is that he did not hear the supervisors talking explicitly about "backdating" late ballots -- but adds that based on circumstances and what they were saying explicitly, that the only "logical conclusion" that could be drawn is that they were talking about backdating ballots.
This is what the Partisan Democrat Media rushed out to claim was a "recantation."