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August 18, 2013

Gun Thread (8-18-2013)

"Stop & Frisk" Through a 2A Lens

As I mentioned on the podcast, it occurred to me that New York's "stop & frisk" law that was put on hold by a judge last week was just the logical outcome of a path that began when the "wrong people" *wink, nod* were prevented from owning firearms after the Sullivan Act went into effect in 1911. Last century's usurpation of New Yorkers' 2nd amendment rights begat this century's usurpation of their 4th amendment and 14th amendment rights.

Little did I expect to find a pretty clear line drawn to this same idea (although directed at Nanny Bloomberg not the Sullivan Act) directly in the opinion (pdf):

"Mayor Bloomberg stated in April that the NYPD’s use of stop and frisk is necessary “to deter people from carrying guns. . . . [I]f you end stops looking for guns, . . . there will be more guns in the hands of young people and more people will be getting killed.”

"At the same time, the City emphasized in its opening arguments that “blacks and Hispanics account for a disproportionate share of . . . crime perpetrators,” and that “90 percent of all violent crime suspects are black and Hispanic.” When these premises are combined — that the purpose of stop and frisk is to deter people from carrying guns and that blacks and Hispanics are a disproportionate source of violent crime — it is only a short leap to the conclusion that blacks and Hispanics should be targeted for stops in order to deter gun violence, regardless of whether they appear objectively suspicious."

Remind me again how those slippery slope arguments about gun control are invalid.

Related, from Charles C. W. Cooke: Mayors Against Bloomberg’s Bombast
The New York Nanny’s group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, is attracting scant support.

Duck Dynasty

Season 4 opened to about a month's worth of MSNBC's audience. Good on 'em.

And if you're in the market for a new pair of running shoes, these come highly recommended from Moronette '2nd Amendment Mother'.

Gun Of The Week


(answer below)

Marksmanship Award

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Ruger Hawkeye in .256 Win. Mag. It looks like a revolver, but it's not. It's a single-shot based on the Ruger Blackhawk single-action. It was a commercial flop, but it's always a neat find at a gun show.

Facts? Who Needs Those If You're A "Journalist"?

Oh, Piers. You stupid, stupid man.

If you have the misfortune to be familiar with Piers Morgan, the British former tabloid "reporter" and "talent judge" known on this side of the Atlantic as CNN's most overbearing gun control proselytizer, you won't be surprised at what he did on Tuesday.

It began during an interview with military history expert A.W.R. Hawkins, as Morgan pushed his theory that more gun ownership leads to more crime. Hawkins disagreed, noting that Virginia had recently experienced a significant increase in gun ownership, followed by a significant decrease in violent crime.

The insufferable Morgan then counter-claimed that, according to the FBI, no less, Virginia had the highest murder rate in the United States in 2009. Morgan's statement would have been true only if 25 states had seceded in 2008, however, and according to the FBI's 2009 crime report, there were still 50 states in 2009 and Virginia ranked 26th among them in murder, with a rate 12 percent lower than the national rate.

Podcast guest Lee Doren dismantles Cenk Uygur over a similar factually-challenged claim here:

Related: CDC Study Ordered by Obama Contradicts White House Anti-gun Narrative


If there are topics you're interested in seeing in the gun thread, please send them to AoSHQGunThread at gmail. You can also send them to me on Twitter at @AndyM1911.

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