Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Contact
Ace:
aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com
Buck:
buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com
CBD:
cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com
joe mannix:
mannix2024 at proton.me
MisHum:
petmorons at gee mail.com
J.J. Sefton:
sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com


Recent Entries
Absent Friends
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024
Captain Hate 2023
moon_over_vermont 2023
westminsterdogshow 2023
Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022
Dave In Texas 2022
Jesse in D.C. 2022
OregonMuse 2022
redc1c4 2021
Tami 2021
Chavez the Hugo 2020
Ibguy 2020
Rickl 2019
Joffen 2014
AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published. Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me
Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups






















« A Proposed GOP List Of Principles | Main | Obama's Afghanistan Decision Tonight? »
November 23, 2009

Fiorina: I Can Beat Barbara Boxer Because I'm a Woman, and Chuck DeVore Isn't

I depart from Michelle Malkin on this particular point.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to play the "gender card" as regards electability. Whether or not electability matters all that much, and whether someone's gender really has a big influence on electability, is a side question, which people can figure out for themselves.

But to merely make mention of it? That's dirty pool?

I don't think it is. Fiorina isn't exactly playing identity politics. She's not saying, as Sotomayor did, that she's better qualified due to her sex. Instead, she's saying that her sex might make her more appealing to female voters. That's not claiming superiority in the way we usually speak of it. She's saying that people vote for candidates for all sorts of reasons -- being "just like me" being one of them -- and that this will be helpful.

Reality check: When Lynn Swann was running in Pennsylvania, I wasn't merely excited about his candidacy because he had a high name recognition and ability to scoop up donations. Or because I liked his platform. I didn't know what his platform was at the time and I still don't know. Part of the reason for excitement -- which I think most will admit, if only under duress -- was that he was black.

Yup. Because he was black. I certainly don't think his race would make him a superior governor than a white man. But certainly I thought that it would make him a better candidate than a white man, in the sense of having an advantage in getting some votes that most Republicans just don't. Not to mention -- be real, here -- any elected black Republican official is a huge PR point in the eternal Democratic advertising campaign to brand Republicans racist.

Republicans, I have to say, do this sort of thing all the time... they just don't like admitting it. J.C. Watts? Fine Representative. I like 'im. But, still and all, he sure seemed embraced by the base with an enthusiasm beyond what his record or abilities would demand. He was a good spokesman, but he was a particularly good spokesman... because he was black.

Alan Keyes? Well, no one talks too much about him anymore, because frankly he seems off his nut, but there was a time when conservatives endlessly praised him for how perfectly he articulated his message. I notice he was black, too, and I'm sure that many of his fans noticed that too.

Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell... good men, certainly, but let's be real, here: Part of the attraction of these candidates is their race.

So I don't get the upset over Fiorina. I am not closely following the DeVore-Fiorina contest. From what little I know of it, I presume DeVore is the more conservative candidate, and Fiorina the more moderate one. And that right there is certainly ample reason for conservatives to favor DeVore.

But it's certainly not dirty pool for Fiorina to note the conventional wisdom, that for some women voters, or for some moderates, a female candidate is more appealing. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it does, indeed, seem to be that way. (If you buy the conventional wisdom -- which you don't have to. But I don't see the sin in noting that conventional wisdom.)

And let me note: When Sarah Palin was attracting large swaths of previously-Obama-leaning women, no one objected and jumped up and down shouting "It's not right that women are now inclined to vote Republican just because Sarah Palin is a woman! I renounce these votes!"

If I remember right: We were all more than eager to accept those votes, even if they were cast for supposedly-bad reasons. In fact, I remember being positively giddy about that myself.

And this seems to me to very gentle play of the electability card, anyway.

"He is an honorable man," Fiorina said of DeVore. "He has every right to run. But he cannot beat Barbara Boxer."

She continued, "With all due respect and deep affection for white men -- I'm married to one -- but [Boxer] knows how to beat them. She's done it over and over and over."

Diana DeVore, Chuck's wife, responded on Twitter that, "Carly, I'm married to that 'white guy' & I can tell u he can win against mods and libs. Has record to prove it!"

I find it instructive that DeVore's wife enters the sexual-politics arena, too. It's not bad on her. But let's be real: Sexual politics is a part of politics. I see nothing that can be gained by pretending it isn't, and pretending that none of these superficial considerations matter in the voting booth.

They do. I allow that they probably shouldn't: And yet they do. Most people are superficial and especially so when it comes to voting.

Vote against Fiorina if you like (but note, per that last link, she sure doesn't talk in an egregiously moderate fashion -- I don't know if she walks the walk, but she talks the talk okay. I mean: She supports prop 8 and calls herself "pro-life," both positions being radioactive to the left.)

But beating her up over the gentle reminder that some people cast their votes based on goofy criteria? It just seems awfully contrived to me. It seems like the sort of thing you get annoyed at when you've already decided you disapprove of someone.

We're going to have a lot of heated primary fights. I personally think that is a good thing. As steel sharpens steel and all that.

But I want to see a genuine fight. I want these people to duke it out. As they say in sports, especially in big games, especially when it's a close contest: Let them play.

The refs -- us -- shouldn't blow the whistle on ticky-tack "fouls." Let them play, give them a bit of wiggle room, don't litter the playing field with flags over minor infractions.

Let them make their cases, and let's decide. And then let's unite afterwards.

There is a danger in claiming that a candidate is playing dirty pool: If that candidate should win a primary, it becomes harder for her one-time opponents to rally to her, because the idea that an election was stolen by unfair means is a really big thing to get past. Look at the Hillbuzz folks -- they hated how Obama won the primary against Hillary, and they're basically now conservative bloggers. They were so incensed by Obama's legitimately dirty-pool they are effectively Republicans for all intents and purposes.

There is real dirty pool and there is, well, ticky-tack stuff. Our primaries will be too bruising, too destructive, if ticky-tack stuff becomes the source of grievance.

By the Way: If anyone wants to instruct me about how DeVore is more conservative, and Fiorina less so, please do. To be honest -- I already pretty much accept that. That is the fuzzy idea I've gotten about this race: that Fiorina is the moderate, or even the RINO, and DeVore is the true conservative. (Or at least is more conservative.)

I buy that. I don't really have the facts to back that up, but that seems to me to be the thumbnail-sketch of the decision. And if that's why people support DeVore: That's fine, that's terrific.

My objection is solely about making a big deal out of this innocuous statement.

We can't both say "Sarah Palin has a strong appeal to blue-collar women voters!" like it's a good thing and then get all up in Fiorina's business for suggesting something similar about herself. It can't be that candidates we like are permitted to make mention of such things, and people we don't like are forbidden to mention them. Just because we like one and not the other.

Rules are rules and they apply to everyone. If it's okay for one candidate to make this sort of appeal, I think it's okay for another candidate to do so.


digg this
posted by Ace at 03:02 PM

| Access Comments




Recent Comments
[i]Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)[/b][/i][/s][/u]: " James Earl Carter was a meddlesome twat ... The ..."

scampydog: "June Lockhart in Lassie. What the hell is wrong ..."

Citizen Cake: ">>>The natural gas thing was among the regionally ..."

SMOD: "On July 15, 1979, then president Jimmy Carter went ..."

blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1): "Young gals in pj's at the store I sort of get. Guy ..."

The ARC of History!: "[i]What kind of mean shit can the executive branch ..."

Thomas Bender: "@311 >>For details, see the Law & Order episode ..."

TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher: "332 Decency, yet Biden fingerbanged a staffer. Po ..."

naturalfake: "[i]Airline deregulation gave us people wearing paj ..."

Quarter Twenty : "268 Why do I suspect Biden's "eulogy" will involve ..."

eleven: "They'll try to rub the Carter funeral ball sack i ..."

Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden: "Decency, yet Biden fingerbanged a staffer. ..."

Recent Entries
Search


Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
Powered by
Movable Type 2.64