Cloture Vote Thread
UPDATE: ENSIGN A NO; THAT'S THE FIFTH FLIP

Bumped. Not to squash LauraW's post, but the vote's about to happen.

Over?

No.

Because now the deal-makers are going to work on Cochran.

And the Force is not strong in this one.

Call his ass, stat.

...

Because 10,000 morons can track news better than a couple of morons.

Jim DeMint Nails It:

This immigration bill has become a war between the American people and their government. The issue now transcends anything related to immigration; it's a crisis of confidence between what the American believe our government is and should be, and what it is now and what they perceive it to be.

This vote today is really not about immigration. It's about whether or not we're going to listen to the American people and realize we need to proceed more carefully and in a more senstive manner and appear to be listening to the concerns of the American people.

Well, it is about immigration, of course. But it is largely as he describes it -- honestly, even if it were the case that this bill were marginally better than the status quo (which is all its proponents are able to straight-facedly claim it is, after all), it doesn't matter -- because we have made our opinions known and we are being utterly ignored. Whether a bill is marginally better than the status quor or not, if 70% of the public tells you they do not want the bill you do not attempt to ram it down their throats with no scrutiny on a rushed schedule that doesn't even permit Senators to read the bill's provision.

You slow down. You either improve it or sufficiently make the case to the public that the bill is in their interests. You do not repeatedly attempt to sneak the bill past the public before they can hear what's in it. (And then complain about the only broadcast media that actually did so!)

Even if Lindsay Graham were objectively right -- which, you know, he's not -- it doesn't matter. Whether the boss is wrong or not, you listen to the boss. If he wants you to do your job in a way you think is suboptimal, you recommend a way you think is better, but you do it his way. He's the boss.

These stupid fuckjobs seem to have forgotten who the boss is here. And that is, more broadly, what this is about -- our attempts to assert our authority over our underlings and employee civil servants and their arrogant attempts to run the office the way they please.

Ted Kennedy: Noting that in the past the Senate "knocked down the walls of race, knocked down the walls of national origin, knocked down the walls of gender," and then, just when his rhetoric dictates he should say "now is the time to knock down the walls of citizenship," he instead begins speaking vaguely of the "march of progress."

The march of progress, it seems, does demand that the distinction between American and non-American be "knocked down," much the same as the border wall which would be knocked down were it ever built, which it won't be.

Cochran's Office Says He Already Voted Against Cloture Three Times... which sounds like a cocksucker way of saying "Three times should satisfy you knuckledgraggers; I'm'a gettin' a brand new border enforcement office in Gulfsport!"

That's from Dave in San Diego. The office seems oddly noncommittal concerning a vote slated to happen in fifteen minutes.

Allah's running count, though, says we can afford to lose him.

Then again, Allah's drinking more during the day lately.

Hey, Allah? The Ace of Spades Lifestyle (TM) thing is a gag, you know?

Speculation: Earlier I commented they would attempt to stall since they were behind and needed time to switch Cochran or some Democrats.

Reid is now going well over his time, and Sessions is interrupting him to note this.

It could be that Sessions knows he'll win now and Reid knows he'll lose now. So Reid is going on about Jewish grandfathers and watches and other bullshit to give McCain a chance to chew on Cochran.

Roll Call Called.

posted by Ace at 11:15 AM

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