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Torture "Broke" Pakistani-Held SkyBomb Plotter, Unravelling ConspiracyIt's time for liberals to stop dodging the question: What is worse -- for a terrorist to be made to suffer, or for thousands of innocent people, guilty of no more than conspiring to maximize air-miles, should be permitted to be murdered? Why are the liberals always on the other side?" asks the fictional French military commander Colonel Mathieu when he is challenged, in The Battle for Algiers, for using torture to fight terror. The film suggests that torture works as a tool of immediate necessity, even if the consequences are a blurring of morality and so final defeat. Four decades on, Mathieu's charge against liberal scruples is still being raised, implicit in the defence of the means being used in a modern battle against Islamic terror. Why yes, as a matter of fact. Yes it does. (Bulk of post copied below the jump for convenience.) Liberals really ought to stop insisting over and over that torture doesn't work and bother to read an expert's opinion on the matter. Or ask any of the brave, strong, patriotic men tortured into giving vicious propaganda against America by the North Vietnamese. Do liberals imagine these fine men said those hateful things simply because they were persuaded by the North Vietnamese's skillful rhetoric? Or their promises of bon-bons and chocolates? Of course torture works. It always has and it always will. Liberals repeatedly insist torture never works. If it works sometimes, however, and saves, as seems the case here, 2000-4000 innocent civilians, is it not worth trying with the right monster? Liberals need torture to never work in order to claim that it is a zero-cost decision to not engage in the practice; that way they can claim we can act perfectly morally with absolutely no compromise in safety. A win-win situation. Well, there's a thing called nuance liberals should look into. It turns out that in at least one case torture has worked spectacularly well, and, given that it directly led to the survival of 2000-4000 innocent civilians, seems to have been the moral course of action. I don't know how your moral calculus works, but when I weigh the pain and misery of one creature made a monster by his own decisions versus the very lives of 2000 or more innocent men, woment, and children simply attempting to go on holiday -- well, one side of the scale slams the table pretty damn heavily. Liberals are citing the "British model" as the one Bush should emulate (but won't, as he's so stupid-- a chimp, you see). Well, what was the British model for cracking the SkyBomb plot? -- constant email and phone surveillance, assisted by the American NSA -- bank records monitoring, probably also assisted by America -- ethnically profiling, focusing only on those likely to be involved in the plot (i.e., Pakistani Muslims and their non-Pakistani Muslim associates) -- "coercive interrogations" by Pakistan which yielded crucial information with only a short time left before the plot was set into action Hmmm... pretty much all the techniques they're so agahst about. And now that you mention it -- why are liberals always on the other side? Could it really be that we've just managed to get so unlucky we've been on the wrong side of things ever single time in history? Or is there simply some narcissistic malice in the liberal mind that convinces them that is so?
Karol, guest-blogging at Michelle's place (along with a couple of other girls you may have heard of, Mary Katherine Ham and Bryan Preston), agrees. "Torture Works" post reprinted below the jump. A Nasty Business I don't see this as a difficult choice. I understand that we are doing bad. But I also understand we are doing bad in order to do good. That happens sometimes. Thomas, you'll note, didn't just torture a terrorist; he actually "murdered" one in cold blood. (I don't know if we can really call this "murder," but I've no doubt as to what the statutes would say about it.) Did he do wrong? Should he have just allowed the bomb to detonate? Would that have been the more moral choice? By what calculus? Those who say "torture never works" have to address this expert's eyewitness testimony to the contrary. Or else they're just being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. | Recent Comments
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