Top Headline Comments 10-23-09 | Main | Team Obama: Deeds? The Democrat Running For Governor In VA? He's Done
October 23, 2009

Latest Health Care Scam: State Based Opt Out From The Public Option

Democrats in the Senate are furiously trying to figure out how to include something called a 'public option' and still get 60 votes. The problem is, every time they think they get 2 more votes with a new idea, they lose 3. It's actually kind of fun watching Harry Reid shuffle back and forth trying to sweep the sea.

The latest gambit is a scheme that would allow states to opt out of any public option.

The proposal, which was described by other senators and congressional aides, represented a first overture by the Nevada Democrat to solve one of the knottiest issues dividing his party: whether to create a national plan that would serve as a low-cost alternative to private insurers. House Democratic leaders are strongly behind a government-run plan, though exact details have yet to be finalized.

Whether the Senate will embrace any form of the idea is unknown. Republicans are lining up in near lockstep against it. Moderate Democrats are concerned, too, and responded Thursday with wariness.

Sen. Ben Nelson, who has met twice this week with Mr. Reid, said it would be "very difficult" for him to support any proposal that creates a national plan -- even one that allows states to opt out. The Nebraska Democrat wants to empower states to experiment with their own public plans, he said, "the nature of which would be determined by the states, not the federal government."

One of the biggest questions about this option is whether states would have the chance to opt out before it's implemented or after. The Senate Democrats don't seem to be saying much but one of the more visible liberal House Democrats, Anthony Weiner of NY says states would have to be a part of the plan at first and then they could bail.

I would accept and would be open to the idea of after the program's up and running a couple of years, if a state wants to opt out, if they want to leave 25,000, 30,000, 50,000 of their citizens without that choice-I don't believe it's going to happen, so I would accept that kind of an opt-out thing.

That's from Wednesday on Hardball but he said basically the same thing last night with Olbermann (talk about going from the loony left to the, well, loony left).

Here's the thing, if they do go with this opt out provision but only after a few years, no state will ever opt out. By the time 3 or 4 years goes by so many people will have been dumped from their employer based plans into the government option, no state is going to be able to pull back, no matter how much it kills state and federal budgets.

This opt out idea is simply another scam.

Now if states want to enact their own public options, they can now. In fact some have, with the predictably disastrous results.

Of course the supporters say what they always do, the only way to fix the failure of a government program is with...more government programs!

Added: Commenter "the other coyote" makes a good point

The opt-out means a state can opt out of PARTICIPATING in the public option plan.

The state can't opt-out of PAYING for the public option plan.

If Texas opts out, the Texas taxpayer is STILL going to be paying for this debacle through their federal taxes

That's a point that voters in states represented by the likes of Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu and Olympia Snowe need to be reminded of.

digg this
posted by DrewM. at 11:00 AM

| Access Comments

Recent Comments
Michael Bolton: "81 Million "votes." ..."

Romeo13: "419 Is Sharkman a horrible hypocrite for not compl ..."

RedMindBlueState[/i][/b][/s][/u]: "*manspreads* ..."

Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint: "Siouxsie's Kiss Them For Me is the most underrated ..."

RedMindBlueState[/i][/b][/s][/u]: "St! ..."

Soothsayer -- : " NNnnooooddd ..."

SH (Overturn Roe): "Even as the youngest member, he did the memorable ..."

steevy: "Primus doing Closer to the Heart https://youtu. ..."

Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant: "423 Fuck The Beatles. That is all. Posted by ..."

Doof: "[i]Fables of the Reconstruction, REM (and yes, ..."

old chick: "Geddy Lee vocals sound like a dentist drill. Post ..."

Bitter Clinger: "[i] I also really don't remember soccer players dr ..."

Recent Entries

Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
Powered by
Movable Type 2.64