Intermarkets' Privacy Policy Support
Donate to Ace of Spades HQ! Recent Entries
Daily Tech News 21 November 2024
Wednesday Overnight Open Thread - November 20 2024 [TRex] Storm Warning Cafe "Expert" Allan Lichtman Melts Down In Argument With Master Debater Cenk Uygur (???), Declares That Anyone Saying He's Wrong Is Commiting "A Blasphemy Against Me" Disney-Owned ABC "News:" You Know Who's Really Responsible for Laken Riley's Murder? Donald Trump NYT "Fact"-Check of RFKJr.s Complaint That the US Version of Froot Loops Contains Chemicals Not Present in Foreign Versions: The Ingredients List Are "Roughly" the Same (Except for All the Artficial Chemicals That RFKJr. Specifically Objects To) Speaker Johnson Announces: All Women's Bathrooms and Changing Areas Are Reserved for Biological Women Only Comcast Announces It's Dumping MSNBC and Other Dying Cable Channels The Illegal Alien Who Murdered Laken Reilly, With An Assist from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, Is Convicted on Ten Counts Update: Tren De Aragua "Migrant" Arrested for Robbing Manhattan Prosecutor After Masturbating In Her Home Wednesday Morning Rant Absent Friends
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024 Captain Hate 2023 moon_over_vermont 2023 westminsterdogshow 2023 Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022 Dave In Texas 2022 Jesse in D.C. 2022 OregonMuse 2022 redc1c4 2021 Tami 2021 Chavez the Hugo 2020 Ibguy 2020 Rickl 2019 Joffen 2014 AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published.
Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups
|
« Woman Calls 911 To Report Drunk Driver: Herself |
Main
| Flyin' Wing-Suit »
January 29, 2008
Robert Kagan on Romney's Non-Support of the SurgeA bit of tealeaf reading here, but honestly, it is my own gauzy recollection based on such things that Romney wasn't leaning very far forward on the surge. It is true, as you write, that “Romney wasn't as enthusiastic about [the surge] and in his body language, if nothing else seemed ready to distance himself from it if it failed.” But he went further than that. In June 2007, when there were already good signs that the surge was working, Romney told an interviewer, “I think we would hope to turn Iraq security over to their own military and their own security forces, and if presence in the region is important for us than we have other options that are nearby." (This is quoted by Dobbs in the Post) That may seem innocuous enough now. But you remember how thinsg were at the time. That was the way both Democrats and Republican supporters of withdrawal described their plan in those days. The idea was to pull U.S. troops out of the fighting in Iraq, hand over the fight to the Iraqis, and station U.S. forces “nearby” or “over the horizon.” That was how advisers to Hillary Clinton described their preferred option. It was how people who supported the Baker-Hamilton commission report described their ideal option. They didn’t call for immediate and total abandonment of Iraq — and very few do so today. When people who favored withdrawal explained their plan, it was as Romney described it. The fact that he also talked about “timetables” in an earlier interview, albeit secret “timetables,” also puts him in what was then the withdrawal camp. First of all, it should be remembered that McCain himself did a lot of political positioning on the war. He's fond of saying that he had the guts to challenge Rumsfeld when the war wasn't being won. That's partly true. It's also partly true that McCain found this position -- criticizing the execution of the war -- to be politically helpful, as he it afforded him the opportunity to distance himself from it while attacking Bush, supposedly, from the right. Secondly, McCain himself was open to the idea of "timetables" and "benchmarks" and spoke in favor of them. Kagan's summary leaves out some important context: the public had turned against the war by this point and even those who firmly supported the goal of victory in Iraq found it necessary -- as McCain did -- to offer up appeasements to anti-war sentiment, to reassure the public that we were not, in fact, necessarily staying "forever," as the Democrats had it. McCain did that too. So did Bush. "Benchmarks" and "timetables" -- of the goal sort, not the date-certain type -- became for many pro-war politicians the soft soap offered to a public tiring of war in order to keep the goal of victory alive. In this context, Romney was deferring to conventional political wisdom on the point. He wasn't being a leader for the war effort, true enough. But neither was he being a leader against the war. I'm not sure I can tell the difference between McCain's and Bush's soft, grudging support for benchmarks and unenforceable timetables and Romney's blessing of the same. They appear fairly similar.
The rest is up to "body language," the feeling, based on how passionately he spoke on the issue, that Romney meant more than this while Bush and McCain meant less. Having sometimes gotten that feeling myself based on "body language" and passion, I can't say that's an absurd inference. But it is, ultimately, just a sense. In the "context" Kagan discusses, he seems to forget that even pro-war supporters were scrambling to meet the demands for immediate withdrawal with some reassurances to the public that would blunt the then-perceived stampede for the exits. He seizes upon ambiguous words of Romney to claim that Romney, unlike McCain, was in the bug-out camp whereas McCain's not-terribly-dissimilar statements were proof of his unwavering commitment to the war. That's a very big distinction to make upon such weak evidence. Thanks to CJ. | Recent Comments
Adriane the Fruit Pie Chart of the Month Club Critic . . .:
"Rain ? ..."
Taboo family sex: "Time Extension. Hookshot Media. Archived from the ..." Skip : "U since that 2am comment ..." Adriane the Fruit Pie Chart of the Month Club Critic . . .: "Pawn - I’m sorry it’s a bad night. ..." Ciampino - Russian launch: "[u]QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE TO SPACE ACTIVITY FOR NOV ..." Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, : "Just fixin' a bagel. Posted by: RickZ at November ..." pawn: "Thanks Adriane, I have mobility issues and a ba ..." RickZ: "Just fixin' a bagel. ..." Adriane the Fruit Pie Chart of the Month Club Critic . . .: "I would suggest a warm soak to at least relax the ..." pawn: "Damn, still can't sleep. Dreading work tomorrow ..." Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, : "Guess I am only one here Posted by: Skip at Novem ..." Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come: "Nope. I'm lurking about Skip. I nodded off in the ..." Recent Entries
Daily Tech News 21 November 2024
Wednesday Overnight Open Thread - November 20 2024 [TRex] Storm Warning Cafe "Expert" Allan Lichtman Melts Down In Argument With Master Debater Cenk Uygur (???), Declares That Anyone Saying He's Wrong Is Commiting "A Blasphemy Against Me" Disney-Owned ABC "News:" You Know Who's Really Responsible for Laken Riley's Murder? Donald Trump NYT "Fact"-Check of RFKJr.s Complaint That the US Version of Froot Loops Contains Chemicals Not Present in Foreign Versions: The Ingredients List Are "Roughly" the Same (Except for All the Artficial Chemicals That RFKJr. Specifically Objects To) Speaker Johnson Announces: All Women's Bathrooms and Changing Areas Are Reserved for Biological Women Only Comcast Announces It's Dumping MSNBC and Other Dying Cable Channels The Illegal Alien Who Murdered Laken Reilly, With An Assist from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, Is Convicted on Ten Counts Update: Tren De Aragua "Migrant" Arrested for Robbing Manhattan Prosecutor After Masturbating In Her Home Wednesday Morning Rant Search
Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Primary Document: The Audio
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings) George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party" Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?" Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance Collective Names for Groups of People John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive" Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments John Edwards Campaign Excuses John Kerry Pick-Up Lines Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney Torments in Dog-Hell Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny More Margaret Cho Abuse Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed" Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means Wonkette's Stand-Up Act Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report! Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet The House of Love: Paul Krugman A Michael Moore Mystery (TM) The Dowd-O-Matic! Liberal Consistency and Other Myths Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate "Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long) The Donkey ("The Raven" parody) |