Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!



Recent Entries
Absent Friends
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024
Captain Hate 2023
moon_over_vermont 2023
westminsterdogshow 2023
Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022
Dave In Texas 2022
Jesse in D.C. 2022
OregonMuse 2022
redc1c4 2021
Tami 2021
Chavez the Hugo 2020
Ibguy 2020
Rickl 2019
Joffen 2014
AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published. Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me
Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups


NoVaMoMe 2024: 06/08/2024
Arlington, VA
Registration Is Open!


Texas MoMe 2024: 10/18/2024-10/19/2024 Corsicana,TX
Contact Ben Had for info





















« Bush To Invoke Executive Privilege To Prevent Congressional Subpoenas To Staff | Main | The Downside Of Lion-Hunting: Missing »
March 20, 2007

UK Indpendent, After Championing Decrimilization Of Marijuana, Now Reverses Policy As The Addicts Come Rolling In

Back in college, a roommate and I would argue about drug legalization. He actually used once in a while, I didn't, but I took the libertarian position (legalize them, tax them, everthing will work out fine!) and he took the conservative position.

Why? Well, he said that as far as he was concerned, it was likely to certain that making drugs more freely available would result in him doing more of them -- much more. And, further, he played the "I've been to Europe" card. But this time to make a conservative point: "Dude, I've seen the needle parks. I've seen all the young heroin addicts on the dole. Without state control over drug use, it gets to be a bigger and bigger problem."

And actually, because of that, I changed my mind. I dropped my libertarian utopian position of "Let everyone do what they want and everything will just turn out jake!" and instead adopted the posture that a lot of people actually do need the nanny-state's bossing them around on drug-use issues, and that without it, they'll be right screwed up for a good part of their lives.

The libertarian position seems to be a winner for very responsible, very together sorts of people who have a great amount of control over themselves. But we don't make laws exclusively for those who have their shit together; we also have to consider all those whose shit is quite disordered.

Anyway, after campaigning vigorously to decriminalize the "harmless" drug marijuana, the UK Independent is now more concerned about the latter sort of people, who turn out to be greater in number than they'd expected:

More than 22,000 people were treated last year for cannabis addiction - and almost half of those affected were under 18. With doctors and drugs experts warning that skunk can be as damaging as cocaine and heroin, leading to mental health problems and psychosis for thousands of teenagers, The Independent on Sunday has today reversed its landmark campaign for cannabis use to be decriminalised.

A decade after this newspaper's stance culminated in a 16,000-strong pro-cannabis march to London's Hyde Park - and was credited with forcing the Government to downgrade the legal status of cannabis to class C - an IoS editorial states that there is growing proof that skunk causes mental illness and psychosis.

By the way, in blah-blah school, I happened to know a kid that was borderline retarded due to a serious pot habit.

My roommate told me that whenever he began to think he was doing too much pot, he'd think of this other kid (his friend), and that would put him off pot for a couple of weeks.

"Oh come on," I said. "The kid must always have been that way. Pot can't do that."

"Yes it can," my roommate told me. "Believe me: at one point, that kid was bright."

I realize the plural of anecdote is not data, and perhaps I shouldn't be taking so much drug-legalization punditry from potheads, but, well, from what little I know, there really is a problem. Oh, not for most people, maybe. But for some.

And it's well and good to talk of liberty, but when your liberty comes at the expense of someone else's happiness... well, the drug-abusers did it to themselves, of course, but any real and honest discussion of legalization must begin with the premise that, in granting the whole nation more liberty, a certain number of people are going to be consigned to lives of miserable addiction and borderline retardation (not to mention death -- maybe you can't kill yourself on pot, but you can OD on most other drugs).


Incidentally: I'm not saying that just because some people will suffer or even die under a decriminalization regime is reason enough to to keep drugs criminalized. I'm a realist; I know raising the speed limit 10 mph will result in x number of additional highway fatalities and y number of collision-caused spinal cord injuries and z number of maimings and disfigurements; that fact alone isn't enough to prove we shouldn't raise the speed limit.

It's an ugly fact, but human lives can be assigned a value when we do these utilitarian calculations; even those who claim that every human life is of incalculable worth are kinda lying: they have their own fuzzy estimate as to the value of a human life, too; they're just not upfront about admittting it. If they truly believed that human lives had almost infinite value, they would insist on reducing the speed limit on highways to 45 mph and mandating that every car include the most effective collision-mitigating equipment money can buy (raising the average cost of a car up 15 or 20 thousand dollars).

I'm just saying that if we're going discuss this, we have to figure out precisely how many net new human deaths we'll be causing. These pie-in-the-sky fantasias about virtually no bad consequences from legalization -- some even argue straightfacedly drug use will fall, now that the "outlaw chic" cache of drug use is removed! -- are the slogans of fairly stupid and dishonest advocates, not real thinkers interested in honest predictions and judgments.


Laboratory Alaska: Since Alaska has moved recently in de-criminalization direction, I think it would be the perfect test case to see the exact results of decriminalization. It's separated from the mainland, making it somewhat harder for one state to begin exporting its own individual drug policy the whole country.

If Alaska continues along this path, I'd support giving the state an exemption regarding federal drug laws. See what happens in five or ten years, and then make a decision. If the costs of the policy are outweighed by the benefits, fine, legalize across the country.

But I'd sort of like some empircal evidence for the proposition that legalizing drugs will be a net-positive policy.


digg this
posted by Ace at 07:38 PM

| Access Comments




Recent Comments
Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/s][/b]: "Where are we? Did we split off into some sort of s ..."

mr tmz: ">A suburb of Pittsburgh, Verona, now has **⻾ ..."

SloPitch Whiffer: "Looks like the guy was waiting to see if the 110-p ..."

CrotchetyOldJarhead : "Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on nee ..."

Aetius451AD work phone: "Wow, you must really hate women. Posted by: tcn i ..."

Joe from Delaware: "Dear Penthouse, You're not going to believe this, ..."

Rbastid: "Nu upside on Earth. I think a lot of people are go ..."

Dr. Claw: "23 ‘ New York's Finest?’ They help ..."

Thomas Bender: "@163 >>He tried to talk to the yute, reason wit ..."

gp Embraces The Suck: "Good reason to intervene: 'I must protect the inno ..."

18-1: "[i]The media/social media went after a cop with ha ..."

Joe Mannix (Not a cop!): "Wow, you must really hate women. Posted by: tcn i ..."

Recent Entries
Search


Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
Powered by
Movable Type 2.64